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So True Dude Dc Is all about the money now, less on story like it was in the 80's, 90's and early 2000's. To Me Vertigo has always been the darker side of the DCU That they were just afraid to tell. Hellblazer may not be super selling but its still awesome and would probably get more sales with More trade Prints and God Please A Hardcover Omnibus. I Believe John Constantine is Vertigo And Is one of the best Characters in Comics Today.

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So True Dude Dc Is all about the money now, less on story like it was in the 80's, 90's and early 2000's. To Me Vertigo has always been the darker side of the DCU That they were just afraid to tell. Hellblazer may not be super selling but its still awesome and would probably get more sales with More trade Prints and God Please A Hardcover Omnibus. I Believe John Constantine is Vertigo And Is one of the best Characters in Comics Today.

The tornados are not a joke, Silk.

Over 300 people have died and some are still missing days later.

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No need to speak to God on my behalf, Silk...just send a few dollars to the unfortunates here in the South for tornado relief.

 

Very interesting review BTW.

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No need to speak to God on my behalf, Silk...just send a few dollars to the unfortunates here in the South for tornado relief.

Very interesting review BTW.

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Hi, Silk!

 

I hope you are feeling better today.

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" @danhimself: and he has his other thumb. "

Vertigo U isn't a part of the DCU, but Swamp Thing AND Constantine were in Brightest Day 24......
BOO

I will not complain about Death in Action Comics. I thought it worked well

Hi, Silk!

I hope you are feeling better today.

" I'd like to point out that this doesn't look like the Constantine from Hellblazer...he looks younger and the scar on his face is absent "

I'd like to point out that this doesn't look like the Constantine from Hellblazer...he looks younger and the scar on his face is absent

" you should probably check out Brightest Day #24 "

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and here we are....

   

you should probably check out Brightest Day #24

Silkcut is daft!

He certainly does know a lot more about Big Numbers than I do. I couldn't even remember which issue it was that I letterered.

And since I never read issue #3 & #2...I had no idea where the stuff that I was lettering came from in the first place.

It was just another job. I didn't study or analyze it.

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" @Silkcuts:  very true but better to have a second throwaway cut up version in the DCU then to lose JC completely at Vertigo "

" @Roxanne Starr: Over at Comics Alliance. com, They have great articles and are faster with news than the Vine. But they don't have the great people here.

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" @Silkcuts said:

" There have been different versions, none ever caught on.  The Bad Blood John for example, with the scar on the current Vertigo version, it is impossible for the Bad Blood John to be the "Dark Knight Returns" John.  The Books of Magick: Life during Wartime "Lord Constantine" couldn't help keeping that series from getting canceled.  I did enjoy the C.O.D. John with blood with the power to tainted instead of heal, but having that John in its own universe, I am unsure if it could have the same depth of storytelling potential as Vertigo John.  DC doesn't really do alt versions well.  All-star Superman was just a maxi.  All-star Batman.... we all know what happened there.  Most Elseworlds are forgotten.  Alt DCU characters just don't have the same impact.  When I feel in love with the DCU, it was because it was about the stories and the mediums potential, while Marvel went the other direction to sell the characters, rather then the stories.   DC's current problem is they forgot their roots and is trying to copy Marvel's methods. "

Isn't that kind of the point though, a DCU version of JC doesn't have to last, of course he won't have the depth potential but he won't be traipsing around the DCU for more then a few months probably, they only used Death for a single issue didn't they? Swamp Thing probably won't last long, at most they will give him a four issue mini and it won't sell well just like all Swamp Thing volumes and he'll disappear again. It's completely insane that DC would destroy 20+ years of a characters history and cancel his book just to use him in the DCU for a couple months and forget about him. "

" There have been different versions, none ever caught on.  The Bad Blood John for example, with the scar on the current Vertigo version, it is impossible for the Bad Blood John to be the "Dark Knight Returns" John.  The Books of Magick: Life during Wartime "Lord Constantine" couldn't help keeping that series from getting canceled.  I did enjoy the C.O.D. John with blood with the power to tainted instead of heal, but having that John in its own universe, I am unsure if it could have the same depth of storytelling potential as Vertigo John.  DC doesn't really do alt versions well.  All-star Superman was just a maxi.  All-star Batman.... we all know what happened there.  Most Elseworlds are forgotten.  Alt DCU characters just don't have the same impact.  When I feel in love with the DCU, it was because it was about the stories and the mediums potential, while Marvel went the other direction to sell the characters, rather then the stories.   DC's current problem is they forgot their roots and is trying to copy Marvel's methods. "

" @Silkcuts said:

" @pikahyper said:

" I don't see why JC can't be in both universes. Marvel hasn't had a problem having characters under multiple imprints at the same time with regular 616, Ultimate, Noir and Max books so DC should be able to pull it off just having a regular DCU version and a Vertigo version. As for confusing readers I haven't seen anyone confused by Marvel's multiple versions so that really shouldn't be a problem. "

Your right that multiple versions can work since it does with Marvel.  John I believe is the only exception to this rule since his character is special when looking at north american characters, the fact that he ages in real time alone gives him something (a freedom) no other characters really have.  Having clones of him running around in the DCU, I feel hurts his 25 years or real time growth.

What if he is an almost completely different character though? Different back story, different "powers", just a character loosely based on JC that looks similar but doesn't destroy his long standing Vertigo history. The target audience for a DCU JC will not be the same as a Vertigo JC so if they changed him drastically but kept the same powerful magic user premise it should be fine, similar to how the Vertigo Sandman/Morpheus is completely different from the standard classic DCU Sandman, mutually exclusive characters but when needed they have been linked when it serves a purpose. "

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" @pikahyper said:

" I don't see why JC can't be in both universes. Marvel hasn't had a problem having characters under multiple imprints at the same time with regular 616, Ultimate, Noir and Max books so DC should be able to pull it off just having a regular DCU version and a Vertigo version. As for confusing readers I haven't seen anyone confused by Marvel's multiple versions so that really shouldn't be a problem. "

Your right that multiple versions can work since it does with Marvel.  John I believe is the only exception to this rule since his character is special when looking at north american characters, the fact that he ages in real time alone gives him something (a freedom) no other characters really have.  Having clones of him running around in the DCU, I feel hurts his 25 years or real time growth.

@Roxanne Starr said:

" @Silkcuts:

" @Silkcuts said:
...The Search for Swamp Thing is written by Jonathan Vankin... "

 

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I am aware ^_^He is writing brilliantly on it btw.  He was also a Vertigo editor, so she does "understand" Swamp Thing, because he was the editor of The Un-men if I remember correctly.  I just think bringing Vertigo back to the DCU is a step back on what Vertigo was doing in the first place.  Vankin just makes the situation a little easier to swallow. "

" @Silkcuts said:

" @The Lobster :  With Geoff Johns having his fingers in the mix I can't imagine John being written well, Since Johns leans towards his personal preferences, which does not always pay proper respect to the characters involved.

From what I see, Geoff won't be writing John Constantine. Just providing the event for which he comes back into the DCUThe Search for Swamp Thing is written by Jonathan Vankin, and the Lois Lane series will be written by Dan Abnett and Andy Lanning. So Geoff's fingers won't be touching John at all, as far as I can see. "

" I don't see why JC can't be in both universes. Marvel hasn't had a problem having characters under multiple imprints at the same time with regular 616, Ultimate, Noir and Max books so DC should be able to pull it off just having a regular DCU version and a Vertigo version. As for confusing readers I haven't seen anyone confused by Marvel's multiple versions so that really shouldn't be a problem. "

" @Silkcuts:

" @Silkcuts said:
...The Search for Swamp Thing is written by Jonathan Vankin... "

 

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" @Silkcuts said:
...The Search for Swamp Thing is written by Jonathan Vankin... "

I don't see why JC can't be in both universes. Marvel hasn't had a problem having characters under multiple imprints at the same time with regular 616, Ultimate, Noir and Max books so DC should be able to pull it off just having a regular DCU version and a Vertigo version. As for confusing readers I haven't seen anyone confused by Marvel's multiple versions so that really shouldn't be a problem.

" @The Lobster :  With Geoff Johns having his fingers in the mix I can't imagine John being written well, Since Johns leans towards his personal preferences, which does not always pay proper respect to the characters involved.

" @johnny spam said:

" You and I had some differing opinions on these characters in the past but I do agree John has little value in the DCU unlike his other former Vertigo buddies they were heavily involved in the DCU when John just spoke to Swamp Thing and maybe the Trench coat Brigade he has very specific roles in his own book that may not fit in the DCU.

I was not convinced that John would return to the DCU but some have been speculating that this is John.
 It's a very sad and worrisome state Vertigo is in which is why I cling to the news of Spaceman by Brian Azzarello and Eduardo Russo or Sean Murphy's project. I read more Vertigo comics when I was getting into the media so I get worried about it. But it makes sense the publishing world is just that much smaller then when Vertigo started up as are comics like Dark Horse firing so many employees or Tokyopop closing in America and I see many the crap that the big 2 pull are just trying to get older people to read again in some misguided attempts many say good comics are all that is needed but it does not seem that way as they tend to be the books that sell less. "

Your right that good comics is not enough anymore.  I think many comic readers forgot the semiotics in comics and the layers that can be found in comics.  Many readers like the hype, but never really understand the raw awesome potential of comics, my latest example of it was my Morning Glories review.  There is not enoug people who push the medium anymore.  If John would return, I want his mandate tougher then Superman where only guys like Morrison, Milligan, Gaiman, Ennis, Diggle, Azz, Ellis, BKV, Carey, etc... meaning at one period of time they wrote him in a good story. I really hope that "shadowy figure" is not John.  It makes sense.... but not a huge fan of the idea.  "