Off My Mind: Should Marvel Bring Back the Super Soldier Serum?

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Posted by G-Man (32081 posts) - - Show Bio

Captain America has been the only truly successful super soldier. Dr. Erskine's secret Super Soldier Serum died with him when he was assassinated. Over the years we have seen numerous attempts to replicate the formula but none have had the same results of the original.

In recent issues of New Avengers, we discovered in the 1950s there was another attempt at the formula. Combined with the Infinity Formula that has given Nick Fury his youth, this new formula could be the next great thing in fighting evil or it could turn out to be hazardous for the individual taking it.

When Mockingbird's life was hanging in the balance, the only option there appeared to be was to administer the untested new derivative of the formula on her. While it appears that the results are positive, what will this mean for her and the future of the Marvel Universe?

== TEASER ==

Mockingbird now has superpowers. In a similar situation to Nick Fury when he first took the Infinity Formula, Mockingbird was seriously wounded during a battle with H.A.M.M.E.R. agents. It didn't look good for her but there was one way to possibly save her. What H.A.M.M.E.R. had been after was a mixture of a Nazi attempt in 1959, to recreate the Super Soldier Serum mixed with their version of the Infinity Formula. To save her life, they gave her a formula that could give her super powers and make it so she didn't age.

The problem with taking the formula is there's no guarantee that there won't be any side effects. Mockingbird does have superpowers but the formula could end up killing her rather than causing her not to age.

We have to assume the formula has been locked away since that day in 1959 when Nick Fury gave the formula they procured from the Nazis to his superiors. If it had been used prior to being administered to Bobbi Barton, we would have seen the results. With Nick Fury having it in his possession now, how long will it be until we see it used on others?

Nick Fury may be one of the good guys but he often has his own sneak agenda. In the never-ending battle against evil, having a new version of the Super Soldier Serum could be the edge needed. Nick showed hesitation in allowing Bobbi to get it saying that it's nothing but a ticket to every friend's funeral. That doesn't mean he wouldn't use it on other soldiers if it meant gaining the upper hand against his enemies. We've seen what the Ultimate version of Nick Fury would be willing to do when it came to experimental Super Soldier Serums.

One of the great things about Captain America, besides his ability to lead and take on the world, was the fact that he was unique. We've seen many attempts at recreating the Super Soldier Serum and none have been able to have the same effects as the original. If the mixture Mockingbird took works and there aren't any harmful results, there wouldn't be a reason not to use it on others. There's the possibility that the only existing sample was completely used on Bobbi but I would find it hard to believe that in over fifty years, no one could analyze the sample and create more.

Mockingbird having superpowers adds a new element to her character. She didn't need the powers but it is cool to think about how this will change her and raise her to a new level. But we don't need to see even more new superpowered individuals show up after taking the formula. There are already enough cool characters with some slight connection to the original formula or to Captain America. There are also many other ways for a new character to develop powers without relying on an easy solution of simply taking the formula.

What I would hope for is Mockingbird will have her superpowers for a while but it will slowly wear off without any lasting effects. Let Mockingbird experience and enjoy the thrill of these new powers and let her use them to effectively put away the bad guys. Since she never needed the powers before to be an Avenger, reverting back to normal eventually is what needs to happen. We also don't need an army of new Super Soldiers. Since Steve Rogers is back as Captain America, that's all the super soldier we need.

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#1 Posted by The Fastest Man Alive (77 posts) - - Show Bio

cool i like cap 

#2 Posted by Feliciano2040 (654 posts) - - Show Bio

No.
 
It's enough as it is that Steve Rogers is the superhero with the most ambiguous, inconsistent, sales-convenient superpower EVER made, having more people with it would be a disaster.

#3 Posted by Bestostero (5618 posts) - - Show Bio

I liked how the whole never aging thing was supposedly a drawback to the serum they gave Bobbi...
 
Cause call me crazy, but its been years and it doesn't look like ANY Marvel character, rather, any comic character has aged at all. And if they do, its only ever so slightly...or in some time traveling story...but needless to say, no one ever really age. lol

#4 Posted by pulseangel666 (329 posts) - - Show Bio

"What I would hope for is Mockingbird will have her superpowers for a while but it will slowly wear off without any lasting effects. Let Mockingbird experience and enjoy the thrill of these new powers and let her use them to effectively put away the bad guys. Since she never needed the powers before to be an Avenger, reverting back to normal eventually is what needs to happen. We also don't need an army of new Super Soldiers. Since Steve Rogers is back as Captain America, that's all the super soldier we need." 
 
This as G-Man said.
#5 Posted by leokearon (1788 posts) - - Show Bio

Erskine had the whole true super soldier formula, many people tried to recreate it with bad results, Grand Director springs to mind

#6 Posted by blur1528 (1055 posts) - - Show Bio
@leokearon: Grand Director. Talk about a delusional bastard
#7 Posted by tonis (6202 posts) - - Show Bio

realistically, it would be impossible to believe if they tried it once that they wouldn't try again.

It would be interesting to see a mini series that uncovered all the failed attempts, done from the eyes of like a tabloid reporter trying to uncover what they obviously would cover up :)

#8 Posted by fbdarkangel (4884 posts) - - Show Bio

  

#9 Posted by Green Skin (2932 posts) - - Show Bio

Bringing back the Super Soldier Serum would effectively ruin the character of Captain America.   For every new Super Soldier Captain America because less and less of a big deal.   It'd be the same way that introducing more mutants that shoot optic blasts would ruin the character of Cyclops.

#10 Posted by EternalBiker (158 posts) - - Show Bio

black cat is a super soldier she took the serum
#11 Posted by Donovan Montgomery (5429 posts) - - Show Bio

No, there is already to many "Captain America's" out there, we do NOT need any more!!!!! 
 
 
Of course, that's just my opinion without reading the article or responses, as soon as I saw the question this word immediately came to mind.

#12 Posted by Hawkeye446 (3939 posts) - - Show Bio

I am just interested with what will happen when Mockingbird and Hawkeye eventually get back together.. That will be interesting. 

#13 Posted by TDK_1997 (14680 posts) - - Show Bio

No
 
I like Steve but still my answer is NO

#14 Edited by The_Peter_Cosmic (401 posts) - - Show Bio

I think it should do worse than wear off, I think it should have severe negative side effects so they have to find a way to purge it from her system. Maybe that way they'll stop giving it to people and stop making Cap's powers even more generic.

#15 Posted by howlett76 (58 posts) - - Show Bio

marvel should leave it as it is having just cap and  nick fury with their respective serums..  that's enough   wouldn't want to cheapen what makes cap and nick

#16 Posted by leokearon (1788 posts) - - Show Bio
@The_Peter_Cosmic said:
I think it should do worse than wear off, I think it should have severe negative side effects so they have to find a way to purge it from her system. Maybe that way they'll stop giving it to people and stop making Cap's powers even more generic.

A lot of other people have taken versions of the formula with terrible results, Grand Director, Protocide and Gabe Stacy spring to mind, so I don't see why Bobbi should be any different.
#17 Posted by VaizD (249 posts) - - Show Bio

Captain America Incorporated.
 
Oh god, that sounds like something that could totally happen.

#18 Posted by Decept-O (7275 posts) - - Show Bio

Hopefully someone can elaborate without being smug about it, but didn't Black Cat/Felicia Hardy also receive a derivative of the super soldier serum or was that removed?

#19 Edited by Deadcool (6810 posts) - - Show Bio
@fbdarkangel
We need to keep the Nazis away from that video.
#20 Posted by leokearon (1788 posts) - - Show Bio
@Decept-O said:

Hopefully someone can elaborate without being smug about it, but didn't Black Cat/Felicia Hardy also receive a derivative of the super soldier serum or was that removed?


I think that was only in the 90's cartoon
#21 Posted by SnowyMountain (138 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm not entirely sure what the big deal is about having more Super Soldiers and the Super Soldier Serum hasn't exactly been missing from the Marvel-verse.  
 
I mean when you think about it, sure Cap might have been the first but he is hardly the most powerful Super-Soldier created.  A number of other people have been exposed to derivatives and any number of them have been as powerful or even more superhumanly powerful compared to Cap.  
 
Isaiah Bradley, Union Jack, Master Man, Warrior Woman were all WWII super soldiers and since then Nomad (Jack Munroe), the Grand Director, Luke Cage, and even the Sentry all used it to gain superpowers.  And that's not even counting all of those experimental test subjects from the Weapon X series like Wolverine, Deadpool, Fantomex, and the rest.  
 
I think they did a good thing with gifting Mockingbird with this as a means to reinvigorate a character that quite frankly, was on the verge of slowly sidelined.  Mockingbird's greatest claim to fame for years was that she was Hawkeye's wife and I wasn't too surprised that she was axed to try and shake things up.  I really enjoyed how they brought her back with the Secret Invasion and how they tried to reinvent her with a new updated costume and everything but frankly, I saw she was getting stale and was wondering if she was going to be killed off ... again.  Up until this point, all she had going for her were those metal staves that she combined to form a bo staff.  I always thought she needed something more; like a power blaster or something in it.  But she lacked that sort of oomph that would have given her a unique signature or mark.  I suppose it wouldn't be too bad if the enhanced abilities slowly faded away too, but I think maybe Marvel should keep the immortality.  It might not be such a bad thing for them to keep as a permanent reminder of what she has to live with as a type of angst for the character.  Maybe she can step in as the new Director of S.H.I.E.L.D. as a female version of Nick Fury.
 
Cap might be back, but it's a big bad world out there and they need all of the help they can get.  One more Super Soldier isn't a bad thing!

#22 Posted by leokearon (1788 posts) - - Show Bio
@SnowyMountain said:
I'm not entirely sure what the big deal is about having more Super Soldiers and the Super Soldier Serum hasn't exactly been missing from the Marvel-verse.  
 
I mean when you think about it, sure Cap might have been the first but he is hardly the most powerful Super-Soldier created.  A number of other people have been exposed to derivatives and any number of them have been as powerful or even more superhumanly powerful compared to Cap.  
 
Isaiah Bradley, Union Jack, Master Man, Warrior Woman were all WWII super soldiers and since then Nomad (Jack Munroe), the Grand Director, Luke Cage, and even the Sentry all used it to gain superpowers.  And that's not even counting all of those experimental test subjects from the Weapon X series like Wolverine, Deadpool, Fantomex, and the rest.  
 
I think they did a good thing with gifting Mockingbird with this as a means to reinvigorate a character that quite frankly, was on the verge of slowly sidelined.  Mockingbird's greatest claim to fame for years was that she was Hawkeye's wife and I wasn't too surprised that she was axed to try and shake things up.  I really enjoyed how they brought her back with the Secret Invasion and how they tried to reinvent her with a new updated costume and everything but frankly, I saw she was getting stale and was wondering if she was going to be killed off ... again.  Up until this point, all she had going for her were those metal staves that she combined to form a bo staff.  I always thought she needed something more; like a power blaster or something in it.  But she lacked that sort of oomph that would have given her a unique signature or mark.  I suppose it wouldn't be too bad if the enhanced abilities slowly faded away too, but I think maybe Marvel should keep the immortality.  It might not be such a bad thing for them to keep as a permanent reminder of what she has to live with as a type of angst for the character.  Maybe she can step in as the new Director of S.H.I.E.L.D. as a female version of Nick Fury. Cap might be back, but it's a big bad world out there and they need all of the help they can get.  One more Super Soldier isn't a bad thing!

The original version of the super soldier formula was lost with Erskine, everyone else uses prototypes and variations. The formulas main job was to creat super soliders who were the peak of human perfection like Cap.
#23 Posted by Nerx (15088 posts) - - Show Bio

They can always use Kick  or MGH, apparently there are better drugs out there compared to Cap's  
 
Remember kids, drugs are cool (if they give you superpowers)

#24 Posted by SpectrumBlur (41 posts) - - Show Bio
@tonis said:

realistically, it would be impossible to believe if they tried it once that they wouldn't try again.

It would be interesting to see a mini series that uncovered all the failed attempts, done from the eyes of like a tabloid reporter trying to uncover what they obviously would cover up :)

I like this idea, possibly as a mini or maxi-series, but I could see it as maybe a conspiracy story, potentially highlighting the graft and corruption the various super soldier programs may have gone through since WWII.  This could easily be the plot structure to a "secret history" retcon of a lot of Marvel characters.
 
So many story ideas.  I really need to put brakes on my brain here, or I'll be late for work...
#25 Posted by Eyz (3095 posts) - - Show Bio

Awww..not sure I'd like that!

#26 Posted by KRYPTON (1891 posts) - - Show Bio

Then we will need the Captain America Corps

#27 Posted by SleepyDrug (75 posts) - - Show Bio

We could have had a Captain America Corps at any time over the past twenty years.  Marvel shies away from the "families" that DC favors.  Cap has plenty of close allies: Nomad, D-Man, Falcon, Free Spirit, Jack Flag, Patriot, USAgent, and Battlestar. 
 
It is true that most people have alternatives to the super-soldier serum.  We have seen Red Skull and Diamondback gain the actual serum by a transfusion process using Cap's blood.  But I think it is better to keep the serum from spreading to too many people.  The last thing we need is for Cap to have an analog to the Clone Saga.
#28 Edited by chalkshark (1187 posts) - - Show Bio

In a world where super-human abilities are common place, the "uniqueness" of the Super Soldier Serum fades away. Marvel has dozens of characters with Captain America-like abilities. Considering all the different formulas floating around to give one extraordinary abilities, one wonders why there's still such interest in the Super Soldier Serum. Why not shake down Mr. Hyde for his formula? Or Norman Osborn's? The German's did a pretty good job with Warrior Woman & Master Man in the '40's, how come Germany isn't sporting an army of super-heroes built like them. It's Steve Rogers that makes Captain America unique, not the formula that gave him his abilities. They could dose a platoon of soldiers with the formula, & there would still only be one Captain America.

#29 Posted by bingbangboom (746 posts) - - Show Bio

I actually really enjoyed the last New Avenger's issue about Mocking Bird and her new powers. Hope they last for a while. Truth is I never read much about Mocking Bird when she was originally around. I did enjoy her series with Hawkeye though. I did have a flash of the "American Dream" ala a female Captain America for a split second. 
 
I wonder if there will be a race for this new formula and if other heroes will want to take it. Hawkeye has always wanted to be Cap, now he could.

#30 Posted by The Stegman (23894 posts) - - Show Bio

Captain America Inc?

#31 Posted by CodeSaint (160 posts) - - Show Bio

If they just don't make more of Sentry.

#32 Edited by Sammo21 (692 posts) - - Show Bio

@Feliciano2040: huh? He has heightened agility, stamina, and strength? WTF are you going on about?

#33 Posted by Top Flight Security (142 posts) - - Show Bio

The super soldier serum has to stay in comics because if I were an enemy of Captain America, then I would still make attempts to recreate it. That's just real. When an adversary does something that has scientific and military importance, you would want a copy of your own. 

#34 Posted by ImperiousRix (1069 posts) - - Show Bio

I hate how the Super Soldier Serum keeps reemerging as a form of deus ex machina for comic stories over the years.  I doubt this will lead to the serum itself coming back (although now that I think about it, why wasn't this used on Bucky when he was 'killed' in Fear Itself). 
 
The idea that Captain America is a unique case, and that he took the serum in a desperate and likely fatal bid to serve the country he loves has always added to the greatness of his character.  Why do they keep teasing throwing that away by continually bringing back the serum!?

#35 Posted by labarith (670 posts) - - Show Bio

I... disagree? 
 
Seriously, let her keep her super powers.  No one gave 2 shits about Mockingbird, less so after Hawkeye dumped her so that Bendis could hook him and Spiderwoman up. 
 
Let her have super powers, do shit, and be awesome. 
 
It's not like the super soldier serum made captain america into the hulk.  Mocking bird's probably not even Spiderman strength. 
 
Oh, remember when Cage didn't have super strength, just tough skin?  Wanna go back to that?

#36 Posted by crowncoke (206 posts) - - Show Bio

I sort of like the idea there being more than one Captain America.  Mockingbird was the closest thing that Marvel has to Batman.  She was a scientist that joined SHIELD and became an Agent.  Then she joined the Avengers and received training from Captain America.  With the Super Soldier Formula/Infinity Formula in her system, I would say that Bobbi is on par with Steve.  She may not have his experience fighting or his tactical knowledge, but she can stand on her own fighting and now has an edge that is needed to bolster her on the Avenger Roster. 
 
Now Clint is the odd ball (normal human).  Maybe they should splice his DNA with that of John Steele and give him a little 'kick'. 
 
But I hate to say it, but I do not see the powers that be allowing Bobbi to keep her new found abilites long (or at least on a constant availability).
#37 Posted by sladewilson30 (219 posts) - - Show Bio

why not

#38 Posted by Kairan1979 (16723 posts) - - Show Bio

I thought Underworld was given the powers through inhaling gaseous form of Super-Soldier Serum.

#39 Posted by kennybaese (1110 posts) - - Show Bio

Haven't they been bringing back the super serum for years now, it's just never really worked? The super serum has been a thing that crazy scientists have been chasing in the Marvel Universe for forever now I feel like. They just have the serum not work quite the same way that it did with Cap to keep him unique, but it comes back constantly.

#40 Posted by Timandm (3374 posts) - - Show Bio

They already have... Several times...

#41 Posted by GrandSymbiote94 (11652 posts) - - Show Bio

Didn't Norman Osborn inject harry with a mixture of the goblin formula and the super soldier formula?

#42 Posted by Feliciano2040 (654 posts) - - Show Bio
@sammo21 said:

@Feliciano2040: huh? He has heightened agility, stamina, and strength? WTF are you going on about?

Settle down.
 
The truth here IS that his powers have never been properly standarized, as such, they are conveniently, and inconsistently tweaked by the writers.
 
Or you're going to tell me that Steve Rogers punching The Hulk and knocking him out wasn't PIS ?
#43 Posted by RedheadedAtrocitus (6885 posts) - - Show Bio

Agreed, the Project Rebirth Super Soldier Serum is what makes Steve unique to the Marvel U so to have others going about with such things and similar results kinda takes away the uniqueness.  If Im not mistaken, wasn't Bruce Banner trying to replicate the serum in the Ultimates arena and it ended up being horribly wrong for him and that's how he became the Hulk?  I think it goes to show that the writers want the originality in Steve Rogers just as much as we all do.  Nice that Mockingbird has em but...probably only for a little while if you ask me. After that it just becomes a copycat agenda and that would just bore me to death.

#44 Posted by ThanoStomp (787 posts) - - Show Bio

There should be only one Cap.  The SSS gives some longevity but  they should give Cap the Infinity serum so he can retain his youth like Fury.

#45 Posted by UnosInfinitos (149 posts) - - Show Bio

Off-topic here: Who here thinks Spidey should have a clone reunion special?

#46 Posted by Sammo21 (692 posts) - - Show Bio

@Feliciano2040: No, I'm not. He's always been considered super strong in the comics, which is why several times he has been able to take the hulk down...which many people have done.

#47 Posted by JonesDeini (3620 posts) - - Show Bio
@Feliciano2040 said:
No.  It's enough as it is that Steve Rogers is the superhero with the most ambiguous, inconsistent, sales-convenient superpower EVER made, having more people with it would be a disaster.
Word and with all the hidden super soldiers and knockoff formulas which have been revealed lately it's a dead concept now. 
#48 Posted by Feliciano2040 (654 posts) - - Show Bio
@sammo21: So let me get this straight, a shell shot from a tank can't knock down The Hulk, but a patriotic punch from Steve Rogers can ?
#49 Edited by Sammo21 (692 posts) - - Show Bio

@Feliciano2040: I think if anything you're proving how inconsistent people are with EVERYONE's powers in comic books. Hulk's done some stupid stuff and then is taken down quickly later on. Cap's powers have always been defined....to what extent a writer goes with it is different. Same for Nick Fury.

#50 Posted by Feliciano2040 (654 posts) - - Show Bio
@sammo21: Friend, as much as Hulk is a PIS factory he is nowhere near as bad as Steve Rogers, who is just absolutely unclear as to what he can or cannot do, that is, unless comics need to boost sales, how is it that being super-strong enough to punch out a creature, whose skin is impermeable to penetration, hasn't accidentally killed enemies of his who have no powers whatsoever, like say, the Red Skull ?

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