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@sethysquare said:

@jcbart said:

@sethysquare said:

@jcbart said:

Bloody hell.

They're rushing so much to churn this all out.

They will single handedly run superhero films back into the ground.

They don't give a damn about the characters. At all. This has nothing to do with Ben Affleck, it's the fact that they're already looking for a director of The Justice League. They're rushing things FAR too much. Focus on The Man of Steel, and if that's a hit, you have to reboot Batman and Green Lantern AND THEN make Flash, Wonder Woman and possibly Martian Manhunter before you should be even thinking about a Justice League movie.

Wonder why people don't say stuff like that for Xmen. No one needed prequels for Wolverine, Cyclops, Jean Grey, Storm, Beast, Nightcrawler. Xmen came out just fine.

That's because Bryan Singer took his sweet time and handled the characters on a very small, personal scale. X-Men and X-Men 2 weren't very big films at all, and only a few (Wolverine, Rogue, Jean Grey, Professor X and Nightcrawler) got any real amount of focus.

Remember the terrible X-Men 3? Yeah, that's what happens when you throw in a bunch of SFX and a crap tonne of characters.

Plus, the X-Men are a team. You can afford to put the limelight on a select few for a movie. Whereas The Justice League is a team compromised of individual heroes who all need equal attention (see: The Avengers). Unless everyone just wants Batman & Friends, because they didn't take the time to tell us why Wonder Woman is an Amazonian or why Flash can run so fast.

1. The script has been worked on since last year and if they start production next year, they would have another 2 years to film, direct and edit. MOS ended filming since february. They have ample of time to work on the script and movie. So define how love is sweet time. 2 years for writing 2 years for filming is not enough? You mean Singer took 7 years or something for everything? Also Wolverine, Rogue, Cyclops, Jean Grey, Professor X, Storm, Nightcrawler. 7 characters. Justice League have about just as many.

2. X-men was crappy because they throw in a bunch of SFX and a crap tonne of characters? You mean thats gonna happen to Justice League? Are you sure they're going to throw in a bunch of SFX and like what 20 members?

3. Justice League was more of a team than X-men.

Justice League was created in 1960.

X-men was created in 1963.

X-men focused on those 6 characters. Justice League have only about 5-7 characters that will appear on screen. They'll probably all have equal screen time and other side characters like Steve Trevor/Amander Waller if they appear, will probably not have much screen time. So whats your point?

1 thing you forgot, 1.6 billion revenue for Avengers and only 300mil and 500 mil for Captain America and Thor. Which means majority of the people that watched Avengers did not watch Captain America and Thor. I'm sure they don't need to see how Captain America got his shield and how Thor got his hammer to enjoy Avengers or are you saying otherwise?

Additionally, Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman are the world's most iconic heroes of all time. (Spiderman would be the 3rd or 4th one). I'm sure everybody in the worls knows pretty much who the trinity are as compared to Captain America or Thor.

Flash also had a TV series in the 90s. And basically he is just a speedster. Do people really need to know how he got doused in a chemical and struck by lightning to enjoy Justice League? Whats so important about that? When I first started reading Flash I didn't have to look for his first appearance or read his Year One or origins to enjoy it. I know he got struck by lightning in a lab so he can run really fast. What else is there to know?

Uh, I think you're entirely missing the point here. I'm not saying that they need a lot of time to make the movie itself, I'm saying that you need more time to introduce each individual character. Plus, did you even watch X-Men 1? Cyclops and Storm did sweet bugger all, and Jean Grey was merely the cute, weak telepath that Wolverine flirted with. It wasn't until the sequel where she got any sort of development. The X-Men movie focussed on Wolverine and Rogue, pretty much.

Oh and, yes, the first X-Men was actually in development for at least 5 years.

I never mean to sound rude, but you're really not thinking about what I'm saying. I'm saying The Justice League movie will be a rushed piece of trash if they don't take the time to create prequel movies, and that's a fact. Say the movie is two and a half hours long. Say Wonder Woman hasn't had a movie beforehand. How long is it going to take to introduce her? How do they have time to introduce her, and Flash, and Martian Manhunter, and bring the team together, and give us a good villain? They can't. Not in two and a half hours. Not at all.

The X-Men are a team; a singular unit. The Justice League is a group of individual heroes, each with varying backstories and origins. In The Avengers, they could get away with Hawkeye because he's a S.H.I.E.L.D. agent who specialises in archery. Handwaving The Flash in a similar fashion? Very poor story telling.

Yes, people know who Batman and Superman are, but Martian Manhunter? Flash? Even Wonder Woman? No. No-one I know in real life knows these characters, believe it or not. They hadn't heard of Iron Man or Captain America or Thor either before they saw the films. People may know the name Wonder Woman, but if the film makers take that for granted they have failed instantly as movie makers.

Oh and I'd say that about 60% of people who saw The Avengers went and saw it again because they loved it. Hence the far higher revenue.

@sethysquare said:

@jcbart said:

Bloody hell.

They're rushing so much to churn this all out.

They will single handedly run superhero films back into the ground.

They don't give a damn about the characters. At all. This has nothing to do with Ben Affleck, it's the fact that they're already looking for a director of The Justice League. They're rushing things FAR too much. Focus on The Man of Steel, and if that's a hit, you have to reboot Batman and Green Lantern AND THEN make Flash, Wonder Woman and possibly Martian Manhunter before you should be even thinking about a Justice League movie.

Wonder why people don't say stuff like that for Xmen. No one needed prequels for Wolverine, Cyclops, Jean Grey, Storm, Beast, Nightcrawler. Xmen came out just fine.

That's because Bryan Singer took his sweet time and handled the characters on a very small, personal scale. X-Men and X-Men 2 weren't very big films at all, and only a few (Wolverine, Rogue, Jean Grey, Professor X and Nightcrawler) got any real amount of focus.

Remember the terrible X-Men 3? Yeah, that's what happens when you throw in a bunch of SFX and a crap tonne of characters.

Plus you're forgetting the key ingredient to that: they're all mutants. Take ten minutes in the beginning of X-Men 1 to tell us what a mutant is, the entire cast is now free from relatively arduous backstories. Good luck trying to explain why a Kryptonian and a Martian exist in the same universe as Batman within ten minutes without prequels.

Plus, the X-Men are a team. You can afford to put the limelight on a select few for a movie. Whereas The Justice League is a team compromised of individual heroes who all need equal attention (see: The Avengers). Unless everyone just wants Batman & Friends, because they didn't take the time to tell us why Wonder Woman is an Amazonian or why Flash can run so fast.

Bloody hell.

They're rushing so much to churn this all out.

They will single handedly run superhero films back into the ground.

They don't give a damn about the characters. At all. This has nothing to do with Ben Affleck, it's the fact that they're already looking for a director of The Justice League. They're rushing things FAR too much. Focus on The Man of Steel, and if that's a hit, you have to reboot Batman and Green Lantern AND THEN make Flash, Wonder Woman and possibly Martian Manhunter before you should be even thinking about a Justice League movie.

@maxicere: Clay Mann is one of the most talented artists working for Marvel. If, by "gay", you're referring to the shower scene (niiiiiice way to uphold your macho straight persona, by the by), think of it as eye candy for straight women and gay men. You know, to counter balance all the eye candy straight men get in comics.

Gillen? Yes yes yes.

Land? Oh god why.

@the_fallen11 said:

Tony Stark with the likeness of a juice-head with signature Land stubble and Pepper Potts with the likeness of that signature Land.....orgasam. CAN'T. WAIT. Gillen deserves better.

Interesting. Will look forward as to what new perspective she can offer! Hopefully she isn't Snyder's reaction to Lisbeth Salander though, judging by the look and skill set.

@JohnnyWalker: Massive difference between manga and stylised.

I love Kitty. She is a staple character in the comic book industry that is quite under the radar, but everyone loves. She has matured and developed, but has always stayed true to herself, which is a rarity in comic books.

Can we all just agree that there should be a series set in Japan starring Kitty, Wolverine, Psylocke and Yukio?

@M-Demon: Agreed. Kitty being trained by Ogun meant a lot back then. Now it's all, "Oh great, she knows kung fu. Who doesn't?"

@JonesDeini: Yep agreed. I adored the Shadow & Flame mini series where she went to Japan and dealt with consequences of her training with Ogun and her clash with Silver Samurai.

What the hell could the 'Extended' one be?

Dang. I was hoping for Legacy to end so that would be one less comic for me to get! Now they're going to be pushing it forward? For goodness sake.

I'm fully aboard Marvel NOW! now. All of these series (minus poor Gillen being teamed up with Land again, he just can't catch a break can he?) sound brilliant.

@Toastalchemist: I always think that. I'm a DVD buyer, and we always get screwed over, it seems. Guess I'll have to buy my very first Blu-Ray for this and watch it on my PS3.