Shadow the hedgehog vs, Knuckles the Echidna

Shadow wins using Archie incarnations and game incarnations

In Archie comics Sonic beat enerjak knuckles and stalemated hype knuckles both times as super sonic

Shadow when he first appeared beat sonic, and he did so repeatedly, so fighting knuckles shouldn’t be an issue

Furthermore when sonic, shadow and the freedom fighters fought enerjak knuckles in base forms on shadow using chaos blast hurt enerjak in he’s base form

Shadow would destroy knuckles if he can hurt him as multiversal enerjak

@mbatz: Enerjak easily tanked Shadow's Chaos Blast.

@takenstew22:

The fact it did any damage was impressive

I mean come on the guy was multiversal+

@mbatz: It didn't look like it did any damage at all.

Shadow making Jak go "augh!" by punching him is more impressive tbh.

@takenstew22:

They did fight for a bit when he was chaos shadow, but chaos shadow has a time limit and afterwards he was screwed

Shadow is Sonic Teams ultimate jobber and de hype machine, no matter how powerful hes stated and speculated, he always somehow gets beaten or ties by characters weaker than him logically like Sonic and Knuckles.

So knux would be the winner if somebody wrote the fight in a official sonic medium because sonic team adores the rad red and has his back much more than the guy who's more popular but doesnt get treats like a important role in the series. Knux still plays sonics friendly rival and the iconic trio amongst tails and sonic.

Shadow gets dlc appearances, that are not contact to the plot what so ever

Knock knock its Knuckles

Shadow.

Im only familiar with the game versions in which case Shadow stomps Knuckles

@mbatz:

@mbatz: You’re actually really off. First off, Sonic didn’t beat Enerjak. He stalemated him until Locke removed fintiveus’ Hex from Knuckles thus allowing Sonic to use his positive energy to purge him. Not to mention that you left out the fact that Knuckles/Enerjak was drained of most of his power before the fight even started when he trapped in the Egg grapes. Enerjak was so drained that he was even woozy and could barely stand, and he STILL stalemated Super Sonic.

Second, Shadow never hurt Enerjak in his base form. Enerjak effortlessly beat Shadow with no damage at all.

I’m not saying Knuckles would beat Shadow in a one on one fight, because as you said Shadow has beaten Sonic multiple times in the comics and Knuckles and Sonic have been to confirmed to be equals in terms of strength (every fight they’ve ever had in comic has been a stalemate or interrupted). But you gotta get the details right lmao.

@idk123: I apologise my dude, I do appreciate you calling me out on it, Im a person that doesn’t like spreading false information

@mbatz: No problem at all man, I’m glad I cleared it up for you! To be honest I don’t even blame you for believing those things because there are a lot of misconceptions that fly around in the Archie sonic community. Also sorry if my first response came off a bit snobbish, I really wasn’t trying to be. Have a good day dude.

@batmanandrobin: Bro Sonic team respects Shadow waaaayyy more than Knuckles. In my opinion they don’t respect Knuckles at all, I mean at least Shadow isn’t treated like a complete joke nowadays. Though I agree Shadow is being underutilized (Tbh pretty much every character other than Sonic is but that’s besides the point lol). The only times Knuckles has really been treated right imo was in S3, heroes, the OVA and the Archie comics. Excluding those two games, the OVA and the Archie comics, Knuckles has been treated like a complete joke even though he was made to literally rival the titular character. Even in games where he barely does anything ST always finds some way to make him the butt of the joke like in generations.

Shadow.

@idk123: Sonic teams treats shadow worse because they deliberately nerfed his character and abilities subsonic can always outshine him and characters like knuckles can seem more credible as a underdog by having advantages against shadow in fights. Since sonic and knuckles are much more simpler characters to portray l, it always seems forced to make them more than shadow as a result of shadow over abundance of powers and depth.

True, Sonic Team really just doesn't care about anyone but Sonic and Tails anymore. Shadow is lucky to even get screen time these days.

Anyways, going by feats, Shadow beats Knuckles. They even fought in the anime and Shadow thrashed him.

shadow wins

here are some key points to support this

1.hyper knuckles is not canon and if it was you need both the chaos emeralds and the master emerald in order to gain the super emeralds to unlock it

2. chronicles is not canon so knuckles has not fought people with military training

3. knuckles can not sense the energy build up for shadows attacks (except for maybe chaos blast) as they charge to quickly (he sensed sonic's chaos control do to sonic's inexperience with the technique causing it to require a long energy build up)

4.sonic holding back = hypersonic speeds and since shadow is sonics equal knuckles will have a hard time landing hits

i have more to say but i will save it for later.

Shadow

Shadow loses by the realization that more people want knuckles to win and be special because of it more than shadow winning because they want him to win and be special. Shadow loses because knuckles is more loved and respected by the sonic community by sheer notice of how fans accept him more favorably than shadow due to never having tarnished the series with his mature dark concept, and the fact knuckles keeps beating shadow in true showings of his feats by actually being better than him in technical fighting and skilled combat feats is proof even sonic team thinks knuckles is better as a character than shadow in being stronger naturally than shadow is without using chaos control magic.

When a characrer remains manlier than a character who's more popular than the former, the latter is going to be critized through fans eyes who look for a flaw that makes that character underwhelming as a fault to boost the lesser character as a result, for knuckles, its pretty much his theme of being tougher and rougher than the rest of them even more so than the ultimate lifeform, so shadow suffers backlash because knuckles is allowed to be better than shadow at a thing people would love more for him than out of shadow, hes ability to be strong yet not op yet still have op potential and sadly the ability to beat shadow with raw fighting strength makes shadow look weak and dismissed in his fake popularity.

Plus knuckles fans all thebtalented fan artists, not shadow who only gets female amateur artists and mindless little boys who jump on shadows bandwagon but make being a fan of him embarrassing

My personal Take on this is that Knuckles is capable of winning if! 1.he keeps shadow in close ranges and fight him 2.If he can use his long range attacks,Knuckles is Physically stronger,Durable and has a better reaction time,He can also use the master emerald ans shrink it to neutralize the chaos emeralds,knuckles is proven to be the better fighter,He has tied with Sonic,defeated metal sonic kai who can burn down an entire city,He has defeated Mecha sonic who is a speed based character and beat a super mecha sonic who can shoot energy balls and use chaos abilities,knuckles knows how to deal with chaos energies,he also defeated metal sonic kai,in even stronger version of mecha sonic,he also beat metal sonic someone shadow has struggled with in the IDW comics and got defeated by him( Sonic IDW issue 30 you can search it on youtube) Knuckles has beaten him and his counterparts,He can also create explosions the harder he hits the bigger explosions he can create in the american sonic manual it says knuckles is calm in battle,his maximum heat knuckles attack gives him a massive speed and strength boost and he can use the light speed dash,He has been beaten by emerl but he has gotten much more stronger and has much,if his short range attacks dont work he can use gliding,and is the fastest power type due to the fact he can use the light speed dash,for his range attacks he can go hyper a form beyond super,knuckles can use the power of the master emerald to amp him up,he has defeated an entire army and stamina isnt a problem because he rarely gets tired in a fights,he can take major beatings and defeat powerful opponents such as Rouge,Metal Sonic Kai,Metal Sonic,Mecha sonic,Hard boiled heavies,eggman.

and on top of that in sonic mania he can use his speed to travel through time thats a major speed feat.

Knuckles is very versatile he can use traps,maximum heat attack,light speed dash,drill claw,thunder arrow,meteor crush,Knuckles heal and on top of that what he usually does in his freetime is TRAIN

Knuckles is very fast and versatile, he can travel past mach 3 and in hhe can travel through time in the manual it says you need to be lightspeed

in the archie comics knuckles destroys a zone an entire world which is near universal level

please provide proof

If these are the current versions, Shadow should win. Especially if he takes his inhibitor rings off. Shadow is too versatile for Knuckles and could overwhelm him. Though in Sonic X Knuckles was powerful enough to cause an explosion visible from the moon, and tossed this big motherfucker with ease

Am I missing something? I thought Shadow > Sonic >>>> Knuckles?

@mbatz: Correction enerjak is nigh omnipotent

@cosmoman: Shadow would win and also knuckles used the master emerald to punch super sonic out of super while that was in classic games here is the thing man shadow and sonic have immeasurable speed sonic and shadow both hold back if you want proof here is the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9szIzu7wrek another thing is sonic adventure battle and sonic the dark brotherhood and sonic battle are not canon same for the racing games they will never be canon that power flash ability wont even affect shadow base shadow is at least universal + if you want proof that in the classic games classic sonic beat classic knuckles quite easily even in his hyper form knuckles is at least faster then light but doesnt reach the level of immeasurable speed shadow is not only close to knuckles in strength but becomes stronger when he gets access to his hero and dark form not only does he become invulnerable to sonics and diablons attacks his chaos spears explode only the abilities are canon from sonic battle other games arent canon in anyway sonic and shadow are both tied in speed super shadow without rings can beat hyper knuckles

@swat:

@cosmoman: Okay the thing about sa2 is that it was shadows first time using his super form and super sonic had already enough experience not only that The video I sent tells that super shadow and super sonic have unlimited strength and speed both have immeasurable speed otherwise shadow wouldnt have kept up with sonic base sonic did beat classic knuckles with ease and then would lose to shadow okay now there are tons of shadow abilities out there not only that he could use chaos control without an emerald having an emerald just makes him stronger and faster another thing is he could just use chaos boost time and time again as he did in 06 and not only does shadow have more feats then knuckles he beated solaris in his super form who would at least outversal and not only that shadow has shown signs of growing stronger since in sa2 he couldnt chaos control the bio lizard to its doom he had to take his rings off but in shadow the hedgehog he beat devil doom who was at least super sonic level and then chaos control something 100x bigger then the bio lizard the black comet

@cosmoman:

I am talking about dark super shadow aka shadow without rings in super form and has the no limits now file:///C:/Users/Abdul%20Samad%20Babar/Videos/Captures/Shadow%20vs%20Mephiles%20-%20YouTube%20-%20Google%20Chrome%208_5_2021%205_40_15%20PM.png go to this link and see it for your self what dark super shadow is file:///C:/Users/Abdul%20Samad%20Babar/Videos/Captures/Shadow%20the%20Hedgehog%20-%20All%20Bosses%20+%20Cutscenes%20(No%20Damage)%20-%20YouTube%20-%20Google%20Chrome%207_31_2021%206_08_54%20PM.png

@cosmoman: How did you even post a picture my laptop doesnt allow me to post pictures

@cosmoman: well shadow is stronger then sonic and has his own chaos powers countering knuckles like chaos blast and chaos magic and burst

@cosmoman: here is my counter argument

1:hyper knuckles is not canon, even if it was he has no way of accessing it in this scenario

2:super mecha sonic is featless

3:I will admit knuckles is stronger, but shadow is by no means weak

4:I think we can both agree sonic did most of the work for the metal overlord fight

5:knuckles is pretty durable, but shadow survived a fall from space (though it did do quite a number on him)

its a close fight but i think shadow takes majority, lets say.....6/10

@swat: Its shown that Knuckles can tank(based on all the feats from the anime and games like 06) and dodge most of Shadows Chaos beam attacks like Spear or Blast. Knuckles varies but hes shown to handle characters like Shadow with pure superhuman physical attacks and abilities and since this is enough to close the gap to Sonocs speed which they tie strength to speed, Shadow has to rely on either more cunning and guile and fight smarter, which i question if shadow has shown. Its honestly close, Shadow has been outmanuvered against Knux in Archie when spaming teleporting so its possible he can use that against him and find a good clean hit on Shadow to win. But Shadow is tougher than Sonic he can last much more punishment than Sonic, sometimes though Shadow is a straight up glass canon or equal to Sonic in having durability, I just don't know. I dont see what Shadow has that can outmatched Knuckles here without resorting to a chaos emerald enhance attack or inhibitor release, im sure Shadow is prideful enough not to use those game changers, its those advantages on why Shadow stays ahead of even Sonic as a high tier character, without an emerald hes just a more dbz beam spam sonic clone with predictable melee attacks that Sonic and Knuckles have countered with their own seemingly more skilled physical prowess and fighting skills.

I wish Shadow had more impressive melee feats, him being a beam spaming teleporting haxxor makes him kinda weak and helpless in battle naturally.

To me it comes down whether if Knuckles forces Shadow to remove his inhibitor release and end the fight before that happens or Shadow is more than skilled than Knuckles and find a way to beat him without restorting to his famous cheat sheet ability(Chaos Control with a Emerald) and limiter release.

It's pretty clear that shadow is superior. Most of the time knuckles resorts to punches and physical attacks not chaos abilities which I'm pretty sure takes him a minute to activate. Shadow is strong, fast, and is able to use chaos abilities without needing time to "warm up". Knuckles loses.