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#1 Posted by Obtrusive (1644 posts) - - Show Bio

My money is on Knuckles, my friend Mack thinks Shadow would mop the floor with knuckles dreads.

#2 Posted by Pigeon Slayer (2 posts) - - Show Bio
@Obtrusive: Agreed. Shadow really isn't much to write home about. Knuckles would punch him so hard it would break the space time continuum.
#3 Posted by exodus0000000 (472 posts) - - Show Bio

Knuckles.  What can Shadow do that Sonic can't by the way???

#4 Posted by Spellca2 (583 posts) - - Show Bio

Shadow easy.  
 
He is a much more skilled fighter, far more fighting experience, faster then Knuckles, Chaos Control...and even guns if you want to factor them in.  
 
This isn't a fight.
#5 Edited by Obtrusive (1644 posts) - - Show Bio

Shadow has a higher power level, but that really hasn't stopped the underdog from winning before.

#6 Posted by Cosmic_Falcon (2039 posts) - - Show Bio

Shadow can only distort space and time with an emerald.  Which he doesn't have here
He wins regardless

#7 Posted by goldenshot80 (7349 posts) - - Show Bio

So many diffrent kinds of votes!!

#8 Posted by MrDirector786 (43486 posts) - - Show Bio

Not sure, but I go with Knuckles cuz I'm biased. :P

#9 Posted by comicdude23 (11399 posts) - - Show Bio

Shadow wins. Knuckles can't touch Shadow, whilst Shadow can easily tag Knuckles.

#10 Posted by Cosmic_Falcon (2039 posts) - - Show Bio

Knuckles was always able to do well and for the most part stalemate Sonic because of his superior strength, durability and martial art skill which Sonic lacks.  I can see Shadow taking a slight majority mainly because he is a more intelligent, calculating and brutal version of Sonic. 
To me it's Shadow >>Sonic=>Knuckles

#11 Posted by TheGoldenOne (38849 posts) - - Show Bio
@Cosmic_Falcon said:
" Knuckles was always able to do well and for the most part stalemate Sonic because of his superior strength, durability and martial art skill which Sonic lacks.  I can see Shadow taking a slight majority mainly because he is a more intelligent, calculating and brutal version of Sonic.  To me it's Shadow >>Sonic=>Knuckles "
^This
#12 Posted by Obtrusive (1644 posts) - - Show Bio

With such tepid responses and such a difference of opinion I can't tell my friend that I was right and he was wrong.  I am a little dissapointed.  I wanted everyone to say knuckles so I could be right.

#13 Posted by Obtrusive (1644 posts) - - Show Bio

kick start?

#14 Posted by Dex_Starr (4772 posts) - - Show Bio

It already happened in the comics, Shadow won.

#15 Posted by PikminMania (4628 posts) - - Show Bio
@Hohenheim_of_light said:

It already happened in the comics, Shadow won.

BLAMO! This about sums this fight up.
 
@Obtrusive
But your wrong
#16 Posted by Obtrusive (1644 posts) - - Show Bio

sad

#17 Posted by HNIC (171 posts) - - Show Bio

bump

wouldn't kuckles just use the master emerald drain the power of the chaos emeralds turn into hyper knuckles with the master emerald and just destroy shadow cause seriously master emerald>> chaos emeralds

but even we take all emeralds out of the equation shadow is not more experienced then knuckles, fighting skill (i don't think there even, im pretty sure knuckles is better since for the most part shadows moves are similar to sonics, while knuckles punches and kicks a lot more), knuckles is definitely stronger then knuckles physically, shadow is definitely faster durability might be similar im not to sure about that but all in all i give knuckles the majority.

knuckles wins but its a close fight

#18 Posted by MrDirector786 (43486 posts) - - Show Bio

@HNIC said:

bump

wouldn't kuckles just use the master emerald drain the power of the chaos emeralds turn into hyper knuckles with the master emerald and just destroy shadow cause seriously master emerald>> chaos emeralds

but even we take all emeralds out of the equation shadow is not more experienced then knuckles, fighting skill (i don't think there even, im pretty sure knuckles is better since for the most part shadows moves are similar to sonics, while knuckles punches and kicks a lot more), knuckles is definitely stronger then knuckles physically, shadow is definitely faster durability might be similar im not to sure about that but all in all i give knuckles the majority.

knuckles wins but its a close fight

There isn't enough info on this fight so we don't know if they have any emeralds available to them at all. Also, as another user said, Shadow already beat Knuckles in the comics.

#19 Posted by HNIC (171 posts) - - Show Bio

@MrDirector786: really that's hard to believe how did the fight go were there emeralds involved, what exactly happend

#20 Posted by God_Spawn (37560 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't see how Shadow beating Knuckles is hard to believe.

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#21 Posted by HNIC (171 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_spawn: i do cause they portray knuckles as a straight up fighter and shadow as evil sonic who figths the same way sonic does its not like shadow can speed blitz him since shadow is the same speed as sonic obviously knuckles is slower but not by enough to get speedblitzed so im just wondering how it happened strength and durability knuckles has him beat

so ya how did it happen in the comics?

#22 Posted by God_Spawn (37560 posts) - - Show Bio

@HNIC: But Shadow isn't Sonic.

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#23 Posted by HNIC (171 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_spawn: that doesn't change his fighting style.

im just saying he fights identically except the thing about using the air boot skate things instead of actually running wait is it different in the comics does shadow actually run?

#24 Posted by God_Spawn (37560 posts) - - Show Bio

@HNIC: Yes it does because he is not Sonic, he isn't a clone of Sonic, he is more ruthless and cunning than Sonic and doesn't have a tendency to joke around.

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#25 Posted by MrDirector786 (43486 posts) - - Show Bio

@HNIC said:

@MrDirector786: really that's hard to believe how did the fight go were there emeralds involved, what exactly happend

I haven't actually read the issue myself yet. As I said, another user stated that it already happened in the comics and Shadow won.

#26 Posted by HNIC (171 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_spawn: he may be more ruthless which is good for the fight but (HIS MOVES ARE THE SAME) whats different about his movements compared to sonic? and on a side note do you know anything on the boots thing cause i'm actually curious how fast is shadow without the air boot thingies? its one of those things i never saw shadow actually running i wonder if its ever been addressed in anything?

@MrDirector786: i havent read it either, if i read it and shadow actually wins through legit means you know just no BS then i'll concede but a lot of stupid things happen in comics and im gonna bet this is one of them

#27 Posted by God_Spawn (37560 posts) - - Show Bio

@HNIC: His move set is the same but again that doesn't mean he will use them the same way Sonic will. If Sonic likes to spam homing attack, that doesn't mean Shadow will. On top of that I think Shadow has moves like Chaos Spear which I don't think he needed a chaos emerald to do so. ( someone correct me if I'm wrong).

As for the side note I think I vaguely remember it's the rocket shoes that make go as fast as Sonic but that was from something I read a few years ago so I'm not so sure.

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#28 Posted by HNIC (171 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_spawn: whatever way he uses them could have a small effect but its not that significant its still the same move with the same power level. he's a little bit more offensive then sonic, sonic mostly runs around a lot, but that doesn't change the skill level, or the power level.

if choas is in the name of the move he probably uses emeralds but then again im not sure thats just an assumption.

side note: if the rocket boots are what make him keep up would he have them in this fight cause if he doesn't have rocket boot or emerald this has a possibility to be a stomp cause he wont be that fast. whatever im assuming he has them cause slow shadow would be a stupid fight plus he always has them so its better to just run with it.

basically he's not more skilled then knuckles in fighting and hes not as strong or as experienced, shadows reel only edge is the boots and im pretty sure knuckles can handle that.

#29 Posted by God_Spawn (37560 posts) - - Show Bio

@HNIC:

I never said it did change anything, you kept saying he fights the same way as Sonic which is only true in move set, not how he utilizes them. Knuckles could try and fight like he does with Sonic but that doesn't mean Shadow will fight the way Sonic will.

I can't argue that, it's been awhile since I played any Sonic games, so I can't say that he can use them out right for sure.

He always has rocket boots, that's standard gear for him whereas Knuckles does not carry the Master emerald with him 24/7 or Shadow does not always have a Chaos emerald on his person.

I never said he was, but if Knuckles has trouble fighting Sonic because of his speed but stalemates him on durability, strength and MA ability which Sonic does lack, I don't see why Shadow who has fought before, is just as fast as Sonic but is smarter, more ruthless and more cunning than Sonic who is smarter than Knuckles to be honest can't over come the advantages that Knuckles has when Shadow has advantages that Sonic does not that can shift the battle and apparently have since Shadow beat him in the comic so he must have done something Sonic did not.

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#30 Posted by HNIC (171 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_spawn: first part true he wont fight the way sonic does i was just pointing out that amount of damage he can cause should be the same

ya the rocket boots thing i agree it is basically standard gear

actually sonic doesn't really stalemate him in durability he just barely gets hit, knuckles is significantly stronger then sonic and actually uses MA, sonic and shadow do not do this. sonics only advantage is speed he doesn't compare in the other factors. and neither does shadow, but your right about the intelligence thing but whats he really gonna do with that its a straight up fight no weapons of any sort, unless he runs away and tries to use terrain stuff to his advantage but that hasn't been specified, maybe he'll keep running and maybe knuckles will get tired or something ... nah that wont happen hes kept his pace with sonic a lot of times so what is intelligence gonna do for him unless he has prep, im not saying outsmarting isn't a possibility im just saying knuckles will beat him since knuckles knows martial arts has super strength and has better durability.

ya the comic thing thats why i said asked for details on what happened cause a lot of stupid things happens in comics, if shadow beat him in a proper way (no bull) then i'll concede otherwise im gonna say knuckles takes the majority on this one.

#31 Posted by God_Spawn (37560 posts) - - Show Bio

@HNIC: You misunderstood me, I meant he stalemated Sonic because of his durability, strength and skill that was my bad, I worded it wrong.

Fair enough, I'll look more into it.

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#32 Edited by Hazlenaut (1960 posts) - - Show Bio

@Hohenheim_of_light: when did shadow defeated knuckles

#33 Posted by HNIC (171 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_spawn: oh my bad though u meant something else

aight im gonna see if i can find the comic, and see if its legit

later

#34 Posted by MasterofChaos (1153 posts) - - Show Bio

I like knuckles he's cool

#35 Posted by venomyak (1443 posts) - - Show Bio

shadow has used chaos control without an emerald before plus he is incredibly strong he can flip semi-trucks one-handed

#36 Posted by cosmoman (57 posts) - - Show Bio

alrightie boys and girls, its time to own all you shadow fanboys ;-). knuckles would win for this reason alone, he has the master emerald. for those of you thinking that he doesnt have it all the time because its too big youre wrong, because he can shink it to a size smaller than a chaos emerald (sonic adventure battle, sonic and the dark brotherhood, and sonic rivals) so it'll always be on his persons. if shad uses chaos control knux has powerflash (a time stopping effect in sab2) to counter. the only real advantage shad has is speed and knux has the defense (knuckle slam- a fire barrier, volcanic dunk- an small volcanic eruption) to counter it. they can also stall for time while he says the chant to stop the chaos emeralds, aka shadow' source of chaos energy. once this happens powers such as chaos control (which would be a prploblem for knux), chaos spear (which he could dodge anyway, but for the sake if the arguement...), chaos boost (which knux could counter with emerald power (sonic all stars racing, which is legit), chaos rift, etc) and leaves him without projectiles (as he doesnt always have guns on him. that leaves shads speed to protect him, but since hes slower than sonic (only reaching supersonic (meaning multiple times the speed of sound, not super sonic's speed), that wont be new for knux, plus his projectiles (thunder arrow, summoning meteor like rocks from the sky, drill bombs, etc) and durability (taking a bomb exploding in his face and fighting an army of robots without rest, not to mention he can summon the earths energies to heal/give him energy and also to protect him) to wear him down and beat him. also if shad goes h2h knux is more than capable of taking him out as he is a very experienced and fierce fighter (taking on noturnus clan, fighting sonic to a standstill many times, and eevn tails noted a person capable of taking knux was one to be extremely meticulous of) and with his durability would beat shadow into a pulp. i forgot to mention shads famous chaos blast at the time he had chaos powers (refer to the top). if he tried to do it to knux, knux would sense the chaos energy build up (yes he can do that, sab2 witb sonic) and dig, evading the attach and maybe evn get a surprise counter on shad. and then he could put his defense up and say the chant. Now if shad goes super in the beginning, many think it would be over, it wouldnt. knux can go super as well and if he wanted to end it then he could just go hyper knux (game version, not the weak comic ripoff). hyper knux is and enhanced version of superknux (who btw is already a lightspeed traveling guy, like most superforms) and since hypersonic is considered to be sonics strongest form, and hyperknux runs at comparable speeds to hypersonic (both make afterimages) shadows one true advantage is taken away from him and he loses before it even began. from is long plot to cutting off the emeralds to just hyperknux blitzing its safe to say knux takes this. btw black tornadoe wouldnt stop knuckle slam because even if it did make the flames die down a little it us comming from him so shad couldnt stop him from saying the chant (assuming he'd even know, which he probably wouldn't. knux 9/10.

#37 Posted by cosmoman (57 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_spawn:

knux may not carry it with him 24/7,but he does have it most of the time he just shrinks it. and knux has never been beaten by sonic, shadow has, so advantage, knuckles.

#38 Posted by The_Legendary_SuperSaiyan_Hulk (9802 posts) - - Show Bio

Archie versions or game versions?

#39 Posted by cosmoman (57 posts) - - Show Bio
#40 Edited by DeathHero61 (5874 posts) - - Show Bio

Shadow honestly outright stomps...... if this is game version which is original canon, but if we talking archie versions, im leaning slightly towards knuckles.

#41 Posted by DeathHero61 (5874 posts) - - Show Bio

@cosmoman: how does game version of knuckles beat game version of shadow? shadow is on such a different level from nearly all the game versions of the sonic cast. Shadow fought ultimate emerl to a stand still...... Knuckles got beaten by emerl when he was just in his development stages...... Plus shadow has better skill in fighting, he is far faster, and has weapon experience. Shadow would be having a stomping festival with knuckles, give shadow a chaos emerald? it will be the end.

#42 Posted by generator2000 (1064 posts) - - Show Bio

Shadow would beat Knuckles into submission. Shadow is faster but Knuckles may be stronger. Knuckles may keep up with sonic but Shadow is faster than Sonic. They have the same power of Chaos Manipulation but Shadow can teleport. Shadow could also simply have the option of teleporting Knuckles to the moon, completely destroying him. Knuckles may put up a fight but Shadow could punch Knuckles a thousand times before Knuckles could even move a couple feet. Shadow also could take off his inhibitor rings. Without his inhibitor rings he shoots raw chaos energy in all directions. Knuckles wouldn't even be able to harness or absorb that type of energy. Shadow could also go super. Knuckles may go Hyper, but that wouldn't work. Hyper Knuckles is a thousand times as strong but not fast. Shadow when he goes super is a thousand times faster and he is even stronger than he is with his inhibitor rings off. Shadow also has better fighting skills than Knuckles. Knuckles may have been trained for a long time but Knuckles doesn't exactly use martial arts, but Shadow does use martial arts. Shadow also carries a green chaos emerald with him at all times. Knuckles could use the power but Shadow can do more with it. That is why Knuckles would get beat. It would be a good fight and Knuckles could possibly win but there is a 80% chance Shadow would win. It'd be interesting to see but Shadow would probably win. Knuckles would have to know this is coming and prepare to win the fight or just win from sheer luck.

#43 Edited by cosmoman (57 posts) - - Show Bio

@deathhero61:

game knux wins because of the fact that he can sense chaos energy (so teleporting wouldn't work) and shut it down, and has the defense (knux slam- fire barrier and volcanic dunk- volcanic eruption) to finish the chat. and true, knux did get beaten by early emerl, but shadow did not fight ultimate emerl to a standstill, he fought emerl with 6 emeralds. and knux actually has better fighting skills and is a martial artist, he is just a hothead. speed wont be an issue as he took on sonic and has never been defeated by sonic (who is faster than shad), and chaos control can be countered with powerflash (remember sonic adventure battle two) or the defenses he listed. or he could go hypr knux and end it in a flash, problem solved. this is far from an easy match for shad, an I think he'll lose.

#44 Posted by PeppeyHare (4310 posts) - - Show Bio

Shadow wins

#45 Posted by cosmoman (57 posts) - - Show Bio

@generator2000:

I disagree, knux would beat shad. shadow is not faster than sonic and it has been stated many times (sonic 2006, sonic rivals, and in sonic the dark brotherhood he admitted it, it is also worthy to note he had gotten beaten by sonic in that same game) so knux would have no problem there. teleporting wouldn't work because he can sense it (sonic adventure battle 2) and evade Digging and uppercuting him where he appears to counter. shad could take them off, but knux could use emerald power (sonic and sega all stars racing, which yes that move is canon) and get the power of a super barrier (which is what he had on sonic heroes) which is stronger than shads inhibs. Super shadow would not beat hyper knux, as he is on another level (you're thinking hyper knux from the comics, which is actually a superform). hyper knuckles is an enhanced version of super knuckles who is on shadow's level, so if he's just slower than super shad (who is lightspeed), then hyper knux woul surpass him in everything, including speed. and no sha can fight, but not like knux, he is a warrior and though shad may throw a few kicks, he could not take knux h2h (he has taken on the nocturnus clan, all of which are extremely good martial artist, and beaten then,... until shade hit him). shad could do more with it, but knux could negate it, and make it a non-factor. without the chaos force shad iis just another sonic... except slower and knux could beat him, hands down.

#46 Edited by PrinceAragorn1 (16543 posts) - - Show Bio

I only saw the series, and from what I remember, I'd say shadow takes it.

#47 Posted by cosmoman (57 posts) - - Show Bio

@princearagorn1:

the series isn't canon and is filled with flaws (such as,ironically, knux losing so easily to shadow), plus they didn't showcase knux's speed and skill, but i get where you're coming from. just look at my responses, they'll enlighten you on the bad a that is knux B-).

#48 Edited by cosmoman (57 posts) - - Show Bio
#49 Posted by oblivion360 (107 posts) - - Show Bio

shadow from the games would wreck knuckles. while knuckles beats him in the strength department but shadow is no pushover when it comes to raw power saying he's just an evil sonic is really underestimating him. he's smarter stronger and more ruthless than sonic and a better combatant. I would say he's just as fast but according to "sonic 2006" (the worst sonic game ever) he's not but that doesn't change the fact that he is way faster then knuckles and can use chaos control without a chaos emerald. He can end it with a hyper sonic roundhouse kick to the face then chaos spear.

the archie comics is no better while knuckles is stronger in the comics so is shadow. He runs at light speed and has a direct link to the chaos force. Having a direct link to the chaos force means he doesn't need the master emerald to use chaos energy. Knuckles doesn't stand a chance.

And finally in the sonic x cartoon i'm willing to say shadow is physically stronger than knuckles. since he pushed back a dragon's head that was going to destroy the ship they were on (the entire dragon was about the size of a small planet) so knuckles would be out classed in all fields.

All in all the ultimate life form Stomps

#50 Posted by generator2000 (1064 posts) - - Show Bio

@cosmoman: I was specifically talking about Archie comics. Shadow would beat Knuckles because he a better chaos manipulator than Knuckles, Shadow is as fast as Sonic, so he is WAY faster than Knuckles, Shadow is strong enough to physically hurt Knuckles, He just as good of a fighter than Knuckles. Hyper Knuckles could possibly beat Super Shadow, but it could happen the other way around too. My brother thinks that Super Shadow could take Hyper Knuckles though.