kostisfire

I really don't get why people don't consider Peter one of the smartest people on earth. You say that he doesn't have many feats when compared to the ther big brains. Oh I dunno why is that. Maybe because: he's around he's mid twenties (since Stark is 30 something as said in the new iron man series), he never had any resources, he never had any time and is the unluckiest person. Let' examine these things, shall we?

He began his career when he fifteen. He was living in Queens, with barely any money, while trying to balance both his superhero and regular life. At day he was at school (many times he had to suit up so he missed classes), after that he had to either work at bugle, do homework or battle supervillains until the next day.

His resources were limited. Veeeery limited. Also, he didn't have a genius for a relative to guide him. He also missed classes. How was he supossed to know all the stuff he missed? Would the Holy Spirit plant them in his head (it's a saying)? He had to study alone in his very limited time.

Now, let's look at the other geniuses:

Stark grew up with everything and had a genius for a father. His parents saw that (according to the secret origin it was orchestrated to happen) and sent him at MIT at Peter's age. Peter could have gone there had his parents tested his intellect.

T'Challa grew up as the son of the king of the most advanced nation in the world. 'Nuff said.

The one who matches Peter the most in Doom. He grew up with no resources and without anyone particularly smart around him. And yet, around 18-19 he could make grenades and various other small weapons. All of that with the help of sorcery. Add to that that he had ample time. Did he create his time platform while he was at the gypsy camp? No, because he did not have the necessary resources. Did he create his doombots there? No. He took classes, had the best the US had to offer, as well as time and money.

I love how people say that "he could make an advanced weapon from his groceries because he's so smart". Really? Just because someone's smart doesn't mean that he can make a time platform out of a banana, a milk carton and a can of dog food. A banana's a banana and a carton of milk is a carton of milk.

Also, you say he has no feats. Wasn't he the guy who harnessed (he managed to use the cube to bring wolvie back to life) the cosmic cube while in a post apocalyptic future (it's been a long time since i last read wolvie/spidey so pardon any mistakes)? Didn't he make his webshooters and the tracer that could tap into his spidey sense when he was 15? While Doom, with the help of sorcery was making weapons around 18. And building a weapon is easier than discoverin something new and adapting. Nothing like Spidey's tracer was ever done. Doom had source material for his weapons.

Reed is the smartest, that's no lie. But you can't really compare a kid from Queens to grown men who have evrything at their disposal. What did Banner do before entering a lab? Did he make his own atomic bomb when he was 18 years old? No. Yet he is one of the smartest people on earth. You want to know why the have so many feats and spider-man does not? Because these guys are all about science. That's the basis of their character. Spidey's character is: everyman first, street hero second, genius third. People don't give attention to his scientific side and that's why he has no feats. But the feats he has are more than enough to earn him a spot up there with the big boys. And come on, you accept Cho, a guy who does nothing other than say "i'm the 7th smartest guy" having a spot in the top ten and Peter not?

For anyone who cares, here's my top 5 list (heroes only)-EDIT: After a little dweling on my old im comics i'll have to change it a bit.

1-Reed/Valeria

2-Pym

3-Stark

4-Banner

5-Peter

1-Doom/Thanos

2-Leader

3-High Evolutionary

4-Mr. Sinister

5-Ock/Apocalypse

There are many genius villains and heroes but honestly,most of them are just talk,talk,talk.

They are worth it! Trust me, you won't regret it. Though you should read spider-man blue first to see if you like the tone and the art since it's pretty similar to the comics of that age.

1) Spider-Man

2)Batman

3) Superman

Hobgoblin.

@mitran: Yeah, until Marvel regains the film rights (i don't see that happening soon) Spidey will not be Marvel's poster boy. For me though, Spidey will always be the best superhero and Marvel's poster boy. Superman is the grandaddy, Spider-Man is the one who saved comics and Batman is the one who proved that comic movies can be deep. Spidey, Supes and Bats are for me the holy trinity of comics.

Anyway, back on topic, many give Slott a lot of slack but he's trying to make Spidey a relevant to the Marvel U character again. When Pete comes back i hope he keeps some of Otto's attitude.

Hell no. Nobody respects him anymore and that's the main reason i was behind the Otto train. Otto, with his arrogance is proving to the rest of the Marvel U that he doesn't give a slack about them and that he's better. Is he a douche? Hell yeah. Do the others deserve it? Of course. I don't think anybody respects him. They think of him as a kid who doesn't shut up. When Quicksilver, a low b-lister makes fun of you, you know you are low on the respect chain. Otto i think, through his arrogance will change all that and make Spidey the poster boy of Marvel again.

@angelalfonso: He's a far bigger jock in the other books.Hell, he's worse than when he was a villain. At least back then he was a villain. Now, he's pretends to be a hero and acts like a total villain. Look, i like the fact that he's using his smarts and he is a better spidey but he's becoming unbearable in the other books. In the main title he's less of a prick though. I guess that while Slott wants to slowly redeem him the others say "fuck it" and write him as a straight up villain.

You know, i was a big supporter of Ock (it was a great oppurtunity for new stories) but after team up 2 and scarlet 20 and now with a+x i'm starting to hate him. I mean, you stole a man's life and you critisize clones? And you dare critisize Kaine? At least the man knows that he's a monster and he's trying to change. I still enjoy the book and i won't drop it but he's becoming a bigger jackass in the crossover books.

Who doesn't? Pete is the ultimate hero. He's the everyman guy who has suffered a lot. Supes may be the granddaddy of superheroes but Spider-Man is the best of them. Pete is one of the noblest characters ever. And the end of 700 reflects that. He didn't go out in a blaze of glory, he doesn't have a statue of him standing in Times Square. He gave everything so that he could save Ock. Seriously, the end of 700 isn't about Ock cheating death and all that crap. It's about Pete making the ultimate sacrifice.

@8008s: The series is not for everyone. Others see it as a buttload of shit and have nothing else to do rather than come here and bitch about on like 5 different threads. Others simply don't like it. Others see it like a gimmick and others see it as a refreshing take on Spider-Man. I myself see it as the chance for Spider-Man to take the central stage. Most heroes think of him as this poor kid who makes jokes all the time and they can do whatever they want with him. I'm not saying they didn't respect him but he was pretty much always taken lightly. This is a chance for him to show that he's a damn genius and a force to be reckoned with! And Ock already did that.