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#1 Posted by entropy_aegis (15750 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis said:

@deathstroke52 said:

@entropy_aegis said:

@deathstroke52 said:

I will not try to argue against the fact that they at least SORT OF went the Batman route.

But I still enjoy the show so I don't see anything too wrong about it :/

It's very wrong, it's like Lord Voldemort attacking Sherlock Holmes when he was baby and accidentally ends up giving Sherlock a part of his soul.

This is Batman's story EXCLUSIVELY, and I knew they would go this route the moment they introduced Ra's, Guggenheim should be sacked immediately,the writing for this season has been bad and now we know why,he's lazy and uncreative.

Don't get me wrong, I see where you're coming from. But I mean, if the story if good enough, then this particular thing isn't that big of a deal to me IMHO.

But that's the thing,this story itself IS the problem, not only has it been stolen,it's not even been executed properly. Ra's has no reason in the world to want Ollie as an heir and Ollie has no reason in the world to even be tempted by his offer, the only reason it even makes SOME sense is because characters on Arrow change their attitudes,motivations and personalities on a whim for the most nonsensical and retarded reasons,which itself has been a huge problem throughout this show's history but has been taken to intolerable levels this season,John Diggle is the only one who has escaped this curse and that's because they dont bother to use him properly. Ra's al Ghul and Batman have a particular relationship,just like Batman/Joker,Doom/Reed,Luthor/Supes, Moriarty/Sherlock etc. This is blatant theft.

Since Batman is not in this universe then why is Ollie not right to be the heir? And what if in a Batman show, the writers "stole" a Green Arrow story. I bet nobody would be saying that the show is stealing ideas.

Wait what? Ollie is not right because it's not HIS story, Batman existence has no bearing,it's not right because it's a ripoff,it's not right because it doesn't belong to him, and to make it worse the execution has been terrible.

Batman writers aren't going to steal anything from GA please.

#2 Posted by entropy_aegis (15750 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis said:

Batman and Catwoman's relationship never moves beyond the teasing stage and that's precisely why it's been so successful, and the most vocal Bat/Cat shippers tend to be Catwoman fans,you think Batman fans only and solely ship him with Catwoman when he has about 50 other potential love interests. A stark contrast from SM/WW where the more vocal supporters are usually on the Superman camp.

Not sure what this has to do with anything, but okay. From the groups (and I'm in quite a few with tons of members) I've been in, most of the commenters are chick Wonder WOman fans.

And why do Batman/Catwoman shippers bother you so much? unless you want to drag Batman fans unwillingness to accept this change which isn't gonna do you any good as no one here for now has made an issue out of it,I see no problem.

#3 Posted by entropy_aegis (15750 posts) - - Show Bio

It's March,expect the reveal with in the next 2 weeks.

#4 Posted by entropy_aegis (15750 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis said:

It's obviously going to be Bane.

Why would they do bane?

Same reason they did Ra's al Ghul.

He's a Batman character

He showed up in a Nolan movie

#5 Posted by entropy_aegis (15750 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis said:

Truly spoken like someone who has no idea what he's talking about. Catwoman doesn't sit on the sideline for Batman,you're confusing her with Wonder Woman.

Exactly, which is proven by this. It's been my point from the very beginning, she tried, it didn't work out so she's moved on. The notion that she has to change who she is to try to be with him is disgusting to me, but that's the only way the BM/CW relationship can work. Or am I wrong in assuming that you Batfans would b*tch if Batman stopped being Batman for love?

@orangebat said:

@saint_wildcard said:

Ah, Saint Wildcard...

Watching you turn every conversation into a bitchfest about Batman never gets old.

But, whatever helps you sleep at night. Let it all out.

Wrong kiddo, this has to do with shippers.

Batman and Catwoman's relationship never moves beyond the teasing stage and that's precisely why it's been so successful, and the most vocal Bat/Cat shippers tend to be Catwoman fans,you think Batman fans only and solely ship him with Catwoman when he has about 50 other potential love interests. A stark contrast from SM/WW where the more vocal supporters are usually on the Superman camp.

#6 Posted by entropy_aegis (15750 posts) - - Show Bio

@ms-lola said:

I can't wait for when they show a male character as bi. That's not a big deal, right?

Catman?

#7 Posted by entropy_aegis (15750 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_kidd said:

@entropy_aegis said:

Still the show itself doesn't bother me as much as the fans who are perfectly willing to excuse this,some comments on other sites are astounding. Like 'Ra's al Ghul offered his place to Oliver before Batman in the comics,this is Olivers story" this person was actually attacking and insulting others for proving him wrong or "Ra's al Ghul is NOT a Batman villain"

facepalm.

I bet that was from Facebook, someone tried to convince me that this was a N52 story line and because of Arrow they made Ollie equal/better than Batman in terms of H2H.

Someone on the fan page got burned for saying they stole this from Batman too.

@deathstroke52 To be honest this story is not really working in Arrow, they had to came up with an extremely convoluted plot just to get Oliver to face Ra's then when Ra's fodderized and kicked him off a mountain we are suppose to believe he is a worthy candidate for Ra's replacement?

Yeah,saw some similar comments on IGN,I would respond but I honestly have no desire to engage with someone that ignorant. Ra's has never even mentioned Queen.

You know, I was fine with Arrow taking inspiration from Batman, since anything associated with Batman and his lore sells, or in this particular case, attracts more viewers.

That said, this is getting ridiculous. In the past, I could say that Arrow had an identity of it's own, but know, it's basically becoming a blatant rip off. What's worse is that they can't even be subtle about it. As I recall, Bruce had to prove himself multiple times(or at the very least ONCE) before Ra's decided that he wanted him as a successor, but Ra's fights Oliver once and suddenly he gets the brilliant idea of letting this guy he kicked of the mountain be his heir? Yeah, no.

Exactly Batman and Ra's are tailored for each other and their relationship has been constantly reinforced over the decades, for Batman proving himself to Ra's directly or actively is only part of the dynamic. Batman at his core is a power fantasy,he can sit in his couch and do nothing and still be worthier to Ra's,it's just who he is,Oliver is not that's why Ollie has always offered an interesting contrast to him,it even goes down to their families. Even Batman's parents are depicted as saintly figures while Ollie's have been subject to one controversy or other.

#8 Posted by entropy_aegis (15750 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis said:

@deathstroke52 said:

I will not try to argue against the fact that they at least SORT OF went the Batman route.

But I still enjoy the show so I don't see anything too wrong about it :/

It's very wrong, it's like Lord Voldemort attacking Sherlock Holmes when he was baby and accidentally ends up giving Sherlock a part of his soul.

This is Batman's story EXCLUSIVELY, and I knew they would go this route the moment they introduced Ra's, Guggenheim should be sacked immediately,the writing for this season has been bad and now we know why,he's lazy and uncreative.

Don't get me wrong, I see where you're coming from. But I mean, if the story if good enough, then this particular thing isn't that big of a deal to me IMHO.

But that's the thing,this story itself IS the problem, not only has it been stolen,it's not even been executed properly. Ra's has no reason in the world to want Ollie as an heir and Ollie has no reason in the world to even be tempted by his offer, the only reason it even makes SOME sense is because characters on Arrow change their attitudes,motivations and personalities on a whim for the most nonsensical and retarded reasons,which itself has been a huge problem throughout this show's history but has been taken to intolerable levels this season,John Diggle is the only one who has escaped this curse and that's because they dont bother to use him properly. Ra's al Ghul and Batman have a particular relationship,just like Batman/Joker,Doom/Reed,Luthor/Supes, Moriarty/Sherlock etc. This is blatant theft.

#9 Edited by entropy_aegis (15750 posts) - - Show Bio

Still the show itself doesn't bother me as much as the fans who are perfectly willing to excuse this,some comments on other sites are astounding. Like 'Ra's al Ghul offered his place to Oliver before Batman in the comics,this is Olivers story" this person was actually attacking and insulting others for proving him wrong or "Ra's al Ghul is NOT a Batman villain"

facepalm.

It's been a little Batmanish for a while now. Ollie is a better live action Batman than all live action Batman. So far.

Yeah only it's a GA show so Batman depictions will be not be the standards on which it is judged,how exactly is it faring as Green Arrow depiction?

#10 Edited by entropy_aegis (15750 posts) - - Show Bio

I will not try to argue against the fact that they at least SORT OF went the Batman route.

But I still enjoy the show so I don't see anything too wrong about it :/

It's very wrong, it's like Lord Voldemort attacking Sherlock Holmes when he was baby and accidentally ends up giving Sherlock a part of his soul.

This is Batman's story EXCLUSIVELY, and I knew they would go this route the moment they introduced Ra's, Guggenheim should be sacked immediately,the writing for this season has been bad and now we know why,he's lazy and uncreative.