The Lizard vs Sabretooth

his official level is between 10-25 ton

 Where did you get the official? I'm not saying I don't believe you, but all of the official stuff I can find only says 2.  Also, Spider-Man unleashes 10 ton hits and Lizard shrugs them off, so it will be far from easy for Creed to inflict damage.  Adamantium though, he should take a vast majority.  Without it, I'm having trouble seeing Creed take a majority.

"creed has shrugged spidey's best kicks and even held him down as well.. "

"sigh.... why are u referring to the classic non powered sabe who was ironfist enemy before his retcon and subsequent upgrades?
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" @castleking said:

"sigh.... why are u referring to the classic non powered sabe who was ironfist enemy before his retcon and subsequent upgrades?
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Because you've cited examples from that same version of Creed as well (VS Ms. Marvel).  That version of Creed was still faster, stronger and more agile than Wolverine, though.  "

" @k4tzm4n said:

" @castleking said:

"sigh.... why are u referring to the classic non powered sabe who was ironfist enemy before his retcon and subsequent upgrades?
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Because you've cited examples from that same version of Creed as well (VS Ms. Marvel).  That version of Creed was still faster, stronger and more agile than Wolverine, though.  "

Yet he lost to a blind Iron Fist and Daredevil :P "

I think Lizard can win this. The lizard seems to regenerate faster than Creed he's got tough skin and wicked speed and strength.

I would back Lizard on this unless Creed has an adamantium skeleton.

"I would back Lizard on this unless Creed has an adamantium skeleton. "

"anyways.... ppl who think that creed has the basic human or peak strength that he was shown to possess in his 1st few yrs when he had no back story need to read some of sabe's mini series.
 
he has had multiple upgrades to the point that he had high lvl durability without the need to regenerate via HF. his muscle mass density after his 1st upgrade by his son allowed him to take a rail gun blast to the chest without any discomfort.
 

now like i said his first appearances with spidey and ironfist is not the same sabe that was later written as logan's enemy. although he retained the same costume it was made obvious that he now had superior strength, durability and an actual HF all these were completely missing in his earlier battles.
 
so some of u guys need to stop trying to discredit sabe by throwing 30 yr references when he had no back story or powers.
 
sigh... to end this it is called a retcon overhaul of the char "

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so some of u guys need to stop trying to discredit sabe by throwing 30 yr references when he had no back story or powers.
 

"it was not horrible writing at the time since it was shown right after he was upgraded to show the lvl of durability he had just acquired. if anything it is horrible continuity and editing that is to blame that writers cant keep track of char's and their abilities.
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and this is without even bringing his strength into account which......by......the way.......is not........ 2 tons!!! or any where close

well lets see before his upgrades once he was reassigned to wolverines enemy and was part of the muaraders he was able to flex out of an iron jackedt that completely enveloped him. 

he was also downed by a single optic blast from Cyc in the sewer ;) 
 

well lets see before his upgrades once he was reassigned to wolverines enemy and was part of the muaraders he was able to flex out of an iron jackedt that completely enveloped him. 

I've heard, which honestly sounds like bad writing. (making him out to be TOO strong) 
 

here is the other scan of the rail gun.  

What happens after that? 
 
    
 

Regardless of old feats, I assume we're going with the most recent, pre-death version of Creed...Who was shown to be slightly phased by Black Panther's hits, a shield toss by Bucky, and stabs and gunshots from Deadpool.  There is no doubt in my mind that in this bout, Lizard is going to dish out some heavy damage with his claws, (possibly) teeth and tail.  Creed clearly has the technical edge, but unlike Wolverine, he has no  effective means of quickly bringing down Connor's, nor has pre-death shown any strength feats that would put him on the same level as Parker, who has admitted he has to use his full force against Lizard, and it still doesn't pack much of a punch.  I find it very hard to believe Creed will be able to land fatal hits with his claws due to Lizard's high durability.  Lizard, on the other hand, should have no real issue with harming Creed and packing the strength to eventually KO or even incapacitate him.  However, if Creed has adamantium, he should take a vast majority.

I'm giving this one to Lizard. Lizard's stronger, faster, -- depending on if Connor's is in control -- smarter, has great durability AND a healing factor of his own. Sabretooth's got some strength and durability and DEFINITELY has a healing factor all the same, but unlike Lizard he's got nothing to really hurt Lizard, where as Lizard's got the bigger guns to pack NASTY blows. If only Creed had adamantium claws like Logan does, then he'd stand a much better shot.

after the house of M crap consistency went out the window since at the time sabe had an adamantium skeleton that was never explained in the story with blk panther with how logan was able to cut his hand off......

He clearly no longer had adamantium, which was unfortunately never explained.

The only real blunt force damage he'll take is from Lizard's tail.  The rest should be cutting damage, which we all know he is not immune from.  (Wolverine & Deadpool are perfect examples of this)  Regardless, a 12 ton hit will hurt him, it may not KO him, but to say it will have no impact on him is false. 
 

he has bn able to ignore and tank spidey's best kicks and punches and hold him down

That was in one story...And it seemed like Punisher was able to remain in the melee too, when clearly, he shouldn't have been able to.

also sabe's regeneration from what i have seen in various comics and upgrades is far above what lizard has demostrated,

No where did I agrue the differences in their healing factors.

" Sabe's natural claws can rend and tear steel as has superhuman strength himself backing his swipes that is good enough to ko rogue. -_-
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" @castleking said:

" Sabe's natural claws can rend and tear steel as has superhuman strength himself backing his swipes that is good enough to ko rogue. -_-
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When was this? If it's not current Sabretooth then we can only assume he's not able to do that now... though she no longer has Ms. Marvel's powers either, so... =p "

"sabe and rogue "

" @castleking said:

"sabe and rogue "

Whoa, whoa whoa...Hold on a second. I can't help but feel like that isn't 616...What issue? "

" @k4tzm4n said:

" @castleking said:

"sabe and rogue "

Whoa, whoa whoa...Hold on a second. I can't help but feel like that isn't 616...What issue? "

It looks 616, but it also looks like Sabes is making skin on skin contact with Rogue with no effects. Maybe she was depowered then? "

" it was an old storyline when bishop still wanted to kill gambit b/c he though he was the traitor. it is 616 i just dont know the issue and she wasnt depowered or she be dead from the slice.
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I think you're reading PIS and soaking it up too much. Rogue vs. Sabretooth = SLAUGHTER, the same way a BONE CLAW version of Logan should be smeared across the street by Ms. Marvel. =|

i will go with sabretooth to win but anyone could really win here

" not remotely true.... you guys are just seriously under estimatin his strength and claw power.. even logan has managed to gut the original ms marvel with his bone claws. no reason sabe with his superior strength couldnt do the same to rogue.
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Lizard DESTROYS sabretooth.  he is stronger, faster, and more durable.