@lykopis said:
@jphulk26 said:
Ah, I see now where you stand. Thank you for the information as well -- I appreciate learning not just how others view Wonder Woman, but also in how they came about to like the character.Of course, this is all said by a new fan who really likes the stronger, more visceral Diana.
Just to clarify you are saying she´s stronger and more visceral now? In the new 52?
From what little I have read of her before and the general sense of the character in my eyes. To give you a bit of history on my end, I am a Marvel fan mostly and have never followed contemporary storylines of any DC character. When I thought of Wonder Woman, I thought of an extremely powerful superhero, but one that was geared towards highly principled takes of love and mercy and truth. Opening up and reading the new52, I was introduced to a character who could get frustrated and reactive rather than introspective and measured in her responses to situations. Not what I viewed Wonder Woman to be.
As a writer, I am sure Gail Simone did a wonderful job with her interpretation of the character but again, of this I remain ignorant although I plan on changing that when I get more time. It's disheartening to learn there isn't much in terms of graphic novels for Wonder Woman -- even as a mostly Marvel-focused comic fan I know she deserves much more attention is respect.
Why was I finding it so hard to get some reading material on WW consistent with what impressed me in the animated movie? why was it so difficult I asked, and why were they changing her origin so radically and in such an ugly way, and I came to the conclusion its cause she´s a woman. I cannot abide by or support that blatant level of sexism when it comes to the character. I love DC, but in 75 years they´ve published only one Graphic Novel "The Heikita" of one of their most iconic creations. They´ve constantly treated her like she´s an embarrasment or blemish to the company, and have frequently retconned her origin or powers, cause they don´t get the idea. Even when good writers have offered to write graphics on her, they refused it or ended up not publishing them.
Unfortunately, that seems to be on-going problem with both large publishing houses. That noted artists both visual and literal have offered to take on arguably the most recognizable female comic character and not have their takes come to fruition is disappointing.
Then the 2 last writers on the book, JMS and Azz have admitted to not liking nor reading the character. So why give them the job. You can tell that everything about WW, is something that Azz finds silly, he has no love for the character, he only has love for his invention that he calls WW. That´s who he refers to when he call her "my girl" cause as I said he didn´t read any of her comics before. So that´s my position.
This I did not know either. I had assumed both have read extensively on the character, specifically because of the iconic status of Wonder Woman. Food for thought on my end.
By the by Greek Mythology, the Gods and their dynastic drama, and the creatures of myth have always played a major part in WW comics. That is not an Azzerrelo innovation.
This I knew, but Azzarello's application of Greek Mythology in this new Wonder Woman I do not enjoy. I won't get into the abrupt and cavalier summation of the males born to Amazons and I would always expect Greek Mythology to play a big part of Wonder Woman's origins but having her be the daughter of Zeus can only be a ploy in which the writer assumed would give the character more gravitas. Which is ridiculous -- this is Wonder Woman. There are many facet to the character I admire, and one of them was the lack of paternal lineage. I attempted to ignore that part of her new origins but it's impossible since almost every issue in some way refers to her "father" through discussing her half'-sisters - half-brothers, etc, ad nauseum.
Again, I do not have the extensive knowledge you clearly have about the character -- on the surface, I do like seeing Diana more 'warrior-like" but having said that, I have aspects of Azzerello's representation of her that don't sit well with me.
He referred to her as "his girl"? Annoying doesn't quite describe my reaction to that.
Thank you.
Thanks for your reply.
I think personally, Azzerrelo is a really good writer, but he´s tackling the wrong material. Material he just doesn´t get. It´s OK WW isn´t for everyone, but at this time I really think she needs a writer who cares for the history of the character, and can bring out some elements of her mythology that haven´t been addressed. Also a writer that can give us our generations WW. I think thats the fun of comic stories, people want to see how you can update these silly children stories from the 40s and how you can adapt them to work for our time, retell the story but in the language of our generation. Mark Waid did that perfectly for Superman; in superman Birthright. I can´t see why its so hard for WW.
In your reply you mentioned that you always thought of WW as "When I thought of Wonder Woman, I thought of an extremely powerful superhero, but one that was geared towards highly principled takes of love and mercy and truth." If your interested, you get more of this in Perez´s run, which he does well. And then there are some other writers I didn´t bother with cause they just sounded so hokey.
However, in Rucka´s run especially, he is able to balance that wisdom and sense of inherent almost regal dignity with a pretty bad ass character. I mean, yeah she doesn´t go around starting fights or breaking legs like Batman, but she won´t shy a way from a fight either, and she´ll give you a good going over in style, and if you´re evil she will do what ever it takes to protect the innocent, even kill. But Rucka made it all very consistent with her character and it grew quite organically from what we know of The Amazons and their principles. She also was a very emotional, head strong and fearsome warrior; he really balanced everything nicely. Simone went and did something that hadn´t been done much with the character either, she gave her a bit of a sense of humor, and along with Rucka really brought out the femininity in her. It wasn´t like reading a mans dialogue and actions dressed up in female form, like so many female badasses or action heroes are these days. That was what I found really cool about it, and they gave her a character that really made her stand out from Superman and Batman, she was really her own woman.
If you want to get any earlier WW: (all available in DC online digital comics for quite cheap)
I would highly suggest the "The Heikita" Rucka, "Down To Earth" Rucka
"The Circle" Gail Simone, which is excellent, and introduces I think WW best ever villain.
"Eyes Of The Gorgan" Rucka
"War Killer" Simone.
They are really good stories and I highly recommend them, from what you´ve said, especially The Circle (as long as talking gorillas don´t freak you out ;) )and Eyes Of The Gorgan. You´ll love both.
Have you seen the animated feature at all? I´m guessing you have.
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