TigerWarrior

" @TigerWarrior said:

" @Braise said:

" @TigerWarrior: I really don't think the largest lion weighed that much. And I'll continue thinking so, unless you provide proof otherwise.
And you actually never specified whether or not the specimens in question were found in the wild or not; you just gave me a general statement (lions weigh more than gorillas).
And I'm not forgetting anything, I actually stated in my first post in this thread that the lion is a predator, while the gorilla isn't, and thus has an advantage.
Also, lions rarely face buffalo one on one. In fact, cape buffalo are known to gore lions, if ever faced 1-to-1. "

Actually, on average a male lion is both heavier and stronger then a gorilla - according to Big cat experts Peter Jackson:  a captive lion weighed 423 kilograms (930 pounds).     here is the proof:
 
http://animal.discovery.com/fansites/wildkingdom/greatcats/expert/expert_1.html    860 lbs vegitarion VS. 930 lbs predator - hmm, who will win?   70 lbs might not seem like a lot, but that is still 70 lbs of solid muscle  What else do you have?  "

How do you know? The link you gave states that a captive lion weighed that much. That extra 70 lbs of weight could be added fat. There are people that weigh 1,000 lbs, but just because they weigh more than your average lion doesn't really mean they can kill 'em with their bare hands. So it really doesn't prove anything.
And as I mentioned before, a measly 200 pound gorilla would routinely tear open the steel bars of his cage to escape, back in the 50s. Gorillas are built differently, muscle-wise. You get a big gorilla, and it wouldn't surprise me if he could rip off a lion's jaw.  Anyhow, I made my points before, no need to repeat them. The lion should win more often then not. "

Phill, the 860 lbs gorilla in Sint Louis was also a captive one - At equal weights, cats have more muscle mass than any other land mammal, making them pound for pound the strongest land creatures on earth (disclude insects and spiders)  
 

 

" @TigerWarrior: I really don't think the largest lion weighed that much. And I'll continue thinking so, unless you provide proof otherwise.
And you actually never specified whether or not the specimens in question were found in the wild or not; you just gave me a general statement (lions weigh more than gorillas).
And I'm not forgetting anything, I actually stated in my first post in this thread that the lion is a predator, while the gorilla isn't, and thus has an advantage.
Also, lions rarely face buffalo one on one. In fact, cape buffalo are known to gore lions, if ever faced 1-to-1. "

" @TigerWarrior: Actually, Phil the gorilla, from the St. Louis Zoo, was said to weigh 388 kilograms (860 lb). "

"Just a couple of facts: - Gorillas are really strong. There are actual cases of Gorillas bending tempered steel to get out of their cages, back in the 50s. There's also footage of gorillas snapping banana trees in half.- Gorillas are pretty fast (reflex-wise). A 350 lb male gorilla jumped over a 14 ft moat in his pen, back in 2000.- Gorillas are densely muscled. Depending on which gorilla your going with, some weigh upwards 800lbs.  Problem is, however, that gorillas typically don't fight nor do they have the hunting prowess lions have. " 
 
 
first of all, a lions muscles extremely powerfull, that is can knock out a zebra or buffalo simply using it's limbs - I like to see a gorilla do that! 
 
And the largest gorilla on record was 638 Lbs - the largest lion was 826 lbs

" @TigerWarrior:  Saying ridiculous sh!t doesn't make it anything even close to being true...FAIL. "

"depends on which one starts it "

@Ronyc

"This is no contest really.Gorillas can lift up to 2k lbs and a grown male Lion is about 500 lbs...That would be like me lifting 8 year old.I know that this is not a benching contest but it shows that the Gorilla is much more stronger for its size.Also - hands .. so yeah   "

@jlavengerx77

"Depends on where it is. "

The Lion has multiple advantages over the gorilla: 
 
- Faster 
- Sharp Claws & teeth 
- More agile 
 
The gorilla also has some advantages

 
- Smarter then cat 
- More Stanima 
- higher bite force 
 
 
Vote for lion !

Me and my bro were having a huge debate over this - Silverback Gorilla vs African Lion - I say lion

    
    
 
BOTH  WEIGH  500  POUNDS

"If you put an Alaskan Grizzly bear in this which weighs on average 1,500 lb, then that would give the edge for that bear. "

First of all, a Silverback gorilla is 370 Lbs on average, a grizzly bear is 400 Lbs. No big difference 
Both would have different types of advantages at equal weights
 
grizzly bear 
 - long claws 
-  thick fur   
- Denser Skeleton
- faster
gorilla 
- larger forequarters
- smarter 
- More Muscular 
- dexterous 
- higher bite force
 
the grizzly bear has long 5" claws that are blund in by digging in the ice, which means not sharp like a lions claws. It has thick fur making it more durable to injuries. I has very dense bones and is slightly faster. 
 
The gorilla has longer and thicker fore arms than the bear. It is also much smarter so it will be more tactical. It is more muscular because bears are hibernating animals they have more body fat then muscle. The gorilla is dexterous meaning is has opposable thumbs and can hold and crush the bear with a better grip. 
 
And than the most important advantage - the gorilla has stronger jaws. their teeth are equally long (2.5 inch) and sharp but a gorilla has a much higher bite force - Meaning it's jaws are much stronger!! 
 
Intresting Bite Force Stats: 
 
Grizzly bear - 800 psi  
 
Gorilla - 1,300 psi  
 
Lion 1,000 psi
 
Human - 125 psi       we have very weak jaws in comparison  
 
As you can see, the bite force of a gorilla is stronger than that form a lion - and much stronger than that form a grizzly bear !! 

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 It all depends on which  version of Vilgax is in the fight: 
      
Vilgax from Ben 10
 
 or 
 
      
Vilgax from Ben 10:Alein Force 

 
If it is the version from Ben 10, then Colossus would win at the end of the fight,but it won't be easy for him. If it is the version from Ben 10: Alein Force then Colossus would have been defeated really quick seeing how this version of Vilgax has alein  weapons and have powers of ten super heroes from different worlds.

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