So the point of this thread...
...Was to bash Superman for no apparent reason? You just threw-in an inter-company cross-over scenario to bash Superman?
Too much time, man...too much time...
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And again, "real life" scenario...Putting on a mask, beating bad-guys up, and dragging them to the police station is VERY illegal, and I imagine if such folks existed in our world, superheroes would be made enemies of the police based on principle. If they killed someone? They'd be hunted-down with extreme force, like any other criminal who crossed that line.
Plus, come on...do we REALLY need to see more murderous superheroes, right now? We've got Punisher, three versions of Wolverine, Deadpool, X-Force, The Dark Avengers, Nick Fury, Iron Man certainly isn't afraid to cap someone, and that's just off the top of my head. Besides, obviously a few of us could use a little bit of wholesome in our lives...
@Count Bleck said:
" I personally am Amoral, and if it were to further my goals, I'd burn every planet in the universe, watching every living thing die in the flames. So I'd like to see heroes who'd burn down the city to kill villains. "
See? This is your brain on violence...*Sigh*
I'm sure if Spider-Man came-up against Thanos in a similar situation, he'd probably make the same decision.
The lines I was talking about was like what Astro mentioned, Spidey killing Green Goblin after he killed Gwen; NEVER going to happen. On a personal level, Parker wouldn't make that choice because it's his own, personal deal; what happens in his life, with his super-villains, effects him far more deeply. If he killed Norman, Peter would always be questioning it, worrying about the concequences, invoking battles with his own consciousness over whether-or-not he belongs in prison for doing exactly what Norman had done. But on a Universal Scale, such as Darkseid/Thanos, all bets are off. In that case, if Spidey DIDN'T pull the trigger, everyone in the Universe would potentially die, a guilt that would far-surpass the guilt of killing Thanos would bring.
There's ALWAYS a bend to every rule, for every person that has them. The key is to encounter that exception, which may or may not ever happen. In Batman's case it did, for Spider-Man it hasn't, yet. I just wanted to get the point across that seeing Peter Parker go on a murderous rampage because his girlfriend was killed would be terrible, horrible storytelling. That's all.
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I think those that want to see their Superheroes kill people are really missing the POINT of a hero; they're supposed to be above the misdeeds of those they seek to punish, once they cross that line, why wouldn't they turn themselves in, afterward? If they're so morally obliged to hunt people down for their crimes, which is highly-illegal already mind you, would they feel the need to give them an "Eye-for-an-eye" response, or since they've done the hard part for the police, would they rely on the justice system to do what's right?
To me, it's pretty silly to think that Peter Parker would EVER willingly kill someone; he's too good a person and the guilt would drive him crazy, which isn't the point since he'd never get there anyway. Punisher IS crazy, and made-up his mind from the very beginning that he was going to kill anything that even smelled like a criminal; basically Castle is a villain, only killing other villains. Nobody in their right mind would honestly believe that the cold-blooded murder of thousands of people is a sane, heroic thing to do, no matter what the people he killed had done before. Remember, Punisher has shown equal remorse (which is to say zero) to serial-killers and pot-dealers, so it's not like he's "cool" for what he does. If the guy existed in real life, I'm sure most of us would be against the guy. I know I would.
For another example: Imagine if every single police officer decided it was OK to kill at their discretion, based on their own feelings, because that's more-or-less what a superhero is: A police officer without the job title, training, and code of conduct. You jaywalk one day, and you happen to get spotted by the one cop that HATES jaywalkers, and because it's technically against the law, he shoots you for it. Wanna complain? Hey, you resisted arrest, if you survived being shot, and if you didn't...You shouldn't have reached into your pocket, man.
If you want to read about superheroes going around killing everyone and making it uber-awesome and edgy while they do it, you HAD your decade: The 90's. Missed it? Here's the short version: Liefeld, blood, boobies, and bankruptcy. THAT is what happens when people stop caring about what makes superheros unique, and try to make them EXTREME in their methods. In fact, I do believe a goof by the name of Robinson is producing filth of this very nature entitled, "Justice League: Cry For Justice", where the heroes do all kinds of uncharacteristic -but-edgy things like casually talk about three-ways and torturing villains. I'm sure you'd LOVE it.
/rant
- No cartoon, movie, or action figures. Just like with "He-Man" and "TMNT", the populace NEED their tie-ins to care about a comic book, period. We are loud and we are passionate, but we are few; Internet comic fans just can't support a few great comics on their own (when they belong to a major company, anyway).
"Guardians Of The Galaxy", thank god, is still around but only because Marvel has enough faith in the DnA-created cosmic landscape, and sales boost on that book every year when the cross-over happens. However, I fear it's not long for this world...and that really hurts. I love that team.
@Nova`Prime`: K, you're right in saying what you feel about Bendis and whoever else, but the FACTS are that his books sell more, usually about three-times as much, as any of the afore-mentioned books above. Your personal feelings notwithstanding, BMB & Co. are SUCCESSFUL; that's why they get the top-tier books, whether you like it or not. Like I said, we are few, they are many, and THEY are buying those books. When King Herc up there said "Champions" and "Defenders" would benefit from Bendis and Millar, he was absolutely correct. There's no-names, there's recognizable names, and there's superstars like Bendis, Millar, and Loeb; Again, whether you personally agree with that notion or not, well...there's at least 100,000 other people out there who think otherwise, and are voting with their dollars, as Joe Q likes to say.
You can argue about the correct characterization of friggin' Moonstone until you're blue in the face (because I'm CERTAIN more than three people care enough to notice, right?), but the proof is in the puddin'. Blind hatred does nobody any good.
The Defenders get revived about once every five years, and it fails each and every time.
Alpha Flight/Omega Flight? Same deal. I can't even remember how many Flight relaunches there have been, now...
The Champions ALMOST made a comeback, which ended-up being "The Order". See also, "The Failure". I believe that the solo members of the group either belong solo like Herc and Ghost Rider, or belong with the teams they're on (Iceman, Angel, Black Widow). They had their time in the sun as a group...moving on...
The Agents of Atlas deserves to be up there with Avengers and X-Men, but probably never will be because not enough people are giving it a chance. Hopefully that will change once they re-launch as an "X-Men" back-up feature, but we'll see...
MI:13 was another group with unlimited potential, but again, fans are just too scared it seems to try something new, as it was canceled after a year.
So to answer your question as to WHY there aren't any other teams? The fans are the reason, apparently. People speak with their dollars, and the majority don't WANT to branch-out; they'd be happier with another X-Book, something familiar, than risk something new. It sucks, terribly, but until that train of thought derails, we're all stuck with it.
WOLVERINE - "Seek And Destroy" by Metallica
EMMA FROST - "Cold As Ice" by Foreigner
GAMBIT - "Smooth Criminal" by Michael Jackson
DEADPOOL - "Fett's Vette" by MC Chris
X-FORCE - "Born To Raise Hell" by Motorhead
CYCLOPS - "Fortunate Son" by Credence Clearwater Revival
BANSHEE - "Top O' The Mornin' To Ya" by House Of Pain
X-MEN - "Land Of Confusion" by Disturbed
X-23 - "Hurt" by Nine Inch Nails
ARCHANGEL - "Heaven's On Fire" by KISS
NIGHTCRAWLER - "Jack Sparrow's Theme" - Pirates Of The Caribbean Soundtrack
NEW MUTANTS - "I Don't Wanna Grow-Up" by Tom Waits
KITTY PRYDE - "Don't You Forget About Me" - by Simple Minds
COLOSSUS - "War" by Edwin Starr
PSYLOCKE - "Turning Japanese" by The Vapors
BOOM BOOM - "Boom!" by P.O.D.
MAGNETO - "Megalomaniac" by KMFDM
I could probably sit here all day and come-up with more, but I think I'm done for now...Hehheh...
Sub-Zero is my all-time favorite; I've mastered that freeze-ball of his, actually all of his moves, for maximum piss-off-your-buddy effect! From the very first through "MK vs DC", Subbie has been the MAN. Smoke, on the other hand, I only mastered his teleport-uppercut move, which was enough to beat my ex-girlfriend about 600 times in a row, after she swore up and down she was unbeatable. Yeah, she was able to predict Sub-Zero enough, but for some reason that uppercut was her downfall each and every time...probably because it's not blockable. Love it! Hahahahaha...
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