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@hardank said:

While Thor to defeat powerful characters (really out of scale) needs extra power. Hulk itself and in a normal incarnation, with its own power, he has knocked out Dormammu a being that rivals Odin, which has a power on a universal scale, which in its dimension is even more powerful and omnipotent in its own dimension. Hulk knock him out and "turn off" literally flame surrounding the head of Dormammu. It is a great feat. Considering that even Odin to defeat Dormammu him is very difficult.

Thor itself has defeated powerful characters like Mangog. But it is more powerful than Hulk. That is completely false. Only way that was more powerful, is it Rune King Thor.

I think you should read well the comics, and not overlook the details. Plus it's clear. For something always Hulk wins most battles against Thor.

I'm sorry, but did you really read DefendersVol3?

Because or you're ignoring Dormammu and Umar own words or you just don't know.

First, Dormammu was depowered by Umar, and she used his power against him, they even said that ON PANEL:

And later Umar admitted she sucked Dormammu's power:

Also, this is all back up by The Official Handbook of Marvel, who even go as far to say that Dormammu was reduced to a normal human being:

So this isn't a good feat for Hulk since he wasn't even able to kill a human being.

Sorry, but although he was losing his power. He was still very powerful. Besides not knowing (or being mentioned in the comic) to power level was at the time being knocked out by Hulk. After being knocked out in time then reduced to a human. So you are misrepresenting information to reduce Hulk feat. In any case, only half the power or quarter of the total power of Dormammu is very powerful. Still potentially destroyer of galaxies. In addition to Dr. Strange has battled Dormammu at full power, and Dr. Strange is not weak. But this time Dormammu lost his powers because of Umar. Just did the work of Dr. Strange much easier. That's all.

Dormammu has repeatedly been greatly weakened and has been a great challenge for Odin in full power. It has been a challenge on several occasions to Dr. Strange that is as powerful as the entities that are mystical and cosmic that invoked. And on those occasions has caused destruction throughout the universe, or large scale problems.

When he was knocked out by Hulk, the still very powerful. But Hulk attack was necessary to knock him out and his power will be absorbed more quickly and without any resistance.

Sorry, but although he was losing his power. He was still very powerful. Besides not knowing (or being mentioned in the comic) to power level was at the time being knocked out by Hulk. After being knocked out in time then reduced to a human. So you are misrepresenting information to reduce Hulk feat. In any case, only half the power or quarter of the total power of Dormammu is very powerful. Still potentially destroyer of galaxies. In addition to Dr. Strange has battled Dormammu at full power, and Dr. Strange is not weak. But this time Dormammu lost his powers because of Umar. Just did the work of Dr. Strange much easier. That's all.

Dormammu has repeatedly been greatly weakened and has been a great challenge for Odin in full power. It has been a challenge on several occasions to Dr. Strange that is as powerful as the entities that are mystical and cosmic that invoked. And on those occasions has caused destruction throughout the universe, or large scale problems.

When he was knocked out by Hulk, the still very powerful. But Hulk attack was necessary to knock him out and his power will be absorbed more quickly and without any resistance.

You are using reference argued his total ignorance on the subject. Instead of using comics as a reference, just use what suits him and distorts some things going for it.

I certify, you do not know how to use the PIS. You are an ignorant in many aspects of both Hulk and Thor. That demonstrates with what you say.

Hulk has withstood attacks of greater magnitude than the Gladiator, but in that case, it is simple to understand. Gladiator with its solar vision could burn much of Hulk. But the more enraged Hulk and is pressed, the stronger will ... be tougher, more invulnerable, increase all physical attributes will increase the capacity and speed with which it works its healing factor. Thus he was able to be indifferent to the "solar vision" Gladiator in moments later. Furthermore it is regenerated quickly and each new cell, was stronger than the last. That is a skill that has Hulk, which has been explained long ago.

Rulk is a very powerful character, you argued this underestimated and is based on ignorance of the character. First, Rulk has a strength and power as the basis of a quite enraged Hulk. Therefore under normal conditions, it can be higher and beat Thor, if you act quickly with no chance to react to Thor. Second, Hulk on a calm state without going to extremes of anger. It has enough to pull a planet in its orbit to destroy an asteroid twice larger than the planet Earth, and much more with a planetary scale. When rages, its power increases in different ways all depending on the situation and the level of power of his enemy. You may have increased their physical rapidly or slowly, or even explosively attributes. Therefore, without being angry possesses the strength to move planets, to be angry, can have the power to cause destruction solar systems, destroy dimensions, cause anomalies in space-time, to destroy the universe. Because your gains are highly variable, are not uniform.

Third, Rulk has defeated Silver Surfer and Thor on several occasions. Rulk has an ability to absorb energy, which used to increase his powers and reduce the powers of the enemy. This perhaps has been very decisive in the moments that has defeated Thor. While not absorb energy, have the resources to defeat Thor. But of course, Thor is greater than Rulk. That I do not doubt, but Rulk is so powerful it can defeat Thor (and in comics has done). Obviously, by absorbing energy, becomes stronger, tougher and more invulnerale to physical damage. In addition to weaken the enemy, therefore, in a bout that extends to longer, is fatal to many characters like Thor.

That's not PIS, Thor is not an idiot, plus all which uses Thor powers, including his own strength are of divine origin. He did not use many of the powers provided by your hammer, because he knows it will not work, will only make Hulk is stronger and prolong the battle. Which is not good, against an enemy like Hulk. Anything you can do Thor with his hammer, Hulk will be indifferent if injured, will resist surely to defeat Thor.

FYI friend, Hulk has defeated many enemies of Thor, enemies have been made life difficult Thor. Hulk has proven stronger, tougher and infinitely more powerful than Thor ... or potentially infinitely more powerful than Thor.

Please friend, in terms of power, Hulk if higher. Thor has a limited power but is a BIG POWER. It is limited. While Hulk possesses unlimited power. Which has proved its power transfinite. And if that is not enough to defeat Thor, then why Hulk always has defeated most of the time?

Hulk since its inception has defeated characters that are at your fingertips. There has never been wrong, or fan-service. Those that say for example that World War Hulk is a fan-service, is a person who truly hates Hulk. Because this event is not and it was not fan-service.

You mention that "just read the comics". But proves otherwise, because it has an erroneous information on many aspects of Hulk. In addition to everything you do Hulk is considered for you as a PIS or CIS.

Do not make me laugh. Apparently all it does Hulk is considered "PIS". But it is not, the story of Hulk establishes that since its inception. There is nothing "PIS". Also in terms of fans, Thor is not far behind, he has many fans. So it's no excuse. Besides that although the reader does not accept the feat of a character. No matter, because the comic is law, if the comic says, no matter the personal interpretation you want to give.

Besides that since its inception, Hulk had given him unlimited power. It's part of it, is its own power. Others do not want to accept it, and see this as "PIS". It's like I tell the Mjlonir is "PIS". Or that Odin is "PIS". Or that Thor is "PIS" to defeat Mangog.

In addition Hulk possesses unlimited power, which is limited by Bruce Banner. Obviously faces characters who are more powerful for a moment he. Banner because all his unlimited power limits. Putting Hulk on a scale of power, which is enough for you to interact with people and their environment without causing destruction or cataclysms. This is explained several times in the comics.

When Hulk is angry, increases their power and physical attributes. Therefore, you can overcome the characters which initially were superior. Besides taking into account that each incarnation of Hulk, has different strength and power base. Being World-Breaker Hulk incarnation with higher base strength of all.

The only time I have seen the Hulk without limitation, ie without Banner. Onslaught managed to defeat a being who once excelled all The Celestials, Odin and Galactus. Able to create and destroy universes. A reality-altering universally. With an indestructible armor that was created with the desire that no power can alter reality universally not affect you or in the least. In that battle, Jean Grey mentally blocking the influence of Banner into the Hulk. Therefore there were no limitations to the unlimited power and true that Hulk has always had.

Inclusive Beyonder that embody an entire Multiverse, and is considered the most powerful ever manifested entity. When I saw the power of Hulk, he reminded himself and was impressed with both Power. Even the same Beyonder mentions that there is not a trace of something finite in it, pure infinite power ... !!

We must understand that there is something called Marvel "Levels of infinity". It is a way of how to classify and differentiate the different magnitudes of a character with infinite or unlimited power. Why characters like Kubik and Kosmos, capable of altering reality universally, creators and destroyers of universes. Which they have infinite power. They have stated that even they are nothing compared to The Celestials. Because they have a transfinite power, ie a larger than infinite number.

While Hulk defeated Onslaught, who had such great power, leaving as anything The Celestials. Upstairs in another review, I talk about the battle of Hulk vs Onslaught.

And that's a lie, Hulk has always won against Thor. Because it has always been superior. Nothing to see the "PIS". That applies in truly different cases. For example, a being full strength is 100 tons. You can punch it and defeat Odin. That's "PIS" possibly. But Hulk with infinite power, which was demonstrated, which is greater than the power of Odin, Galactus, The Celestial ... all together. Would be nothing compared to Onslaught, and worse than nothing compared to Hulk (without limiting Banner).

That's good, but I give you some advice. Never make a versus, but have complete information of both characters.

A versus Hulk vs Superman, the best I've read and a connoisseur of comics. But it is written in Spanish. http://universomarvel.com.aq/?art=hulk_super

Hulk has defeated such powerful figures who have come to beat up Thor. Hulk villains are flouted? Red-Hulk has not beaten twice to Thor? If you have done.

It's funny what you say, because even if you gave Drax problems Thor, plus Gladiator has had at his mercy for a moment. All those characters that you mention have been beaten by Hulk. Red-Hulk case has not beaten Thor? If you have done.

Also you believe that the only limits in a battle on the planet is Thor? These wrong because Bruce Banner serves as limiting as big as the Hulk power. So it has never come to destroy the planet, because if Bruce Banner not limit the full power of Hulk. The planet was ceased to exist long ago. And many characters in Marvel heavyweights always have been limited to some extent to interact with the earth.

Also because Thor would need to use each function Mjolnir? If many of the skills and powers provided by the Mjolnir not serve to Hulk. Only they would get angrier and louder. More resistant. I think your argument is pure hatred against Hulk. Or a complete underestimation of the power of Hulk. Thor is a powerful character, besides being very intelligent. If he knew that some of his abilities or powers whose Mjolnir, have real effect on Hulk. The was used.

But if you mean that Thor does not fight with all his powers, in the sense that resolves to fight on Earth. True, he does, but Hulk also limited by Banner. Both are in the same conditions, except that increases its power Hulk incredibly, and has exceptional control of his strength and power. Hulk is a power controller universally.

That's a lie, Thor is not more powerful. Because power is the rate of force. Hulk has infinite power, infinite power (because the produce infinite energy) which is infinite energy makes demá strength and physical attributes. Thor is certainly powerful, but has a limit to its ONE BIG power. But it has a limit.

Hulk has an infinite, unlimited power. Only to destroy a dimension, channeling the power of two universes for months or even move in a universe made of Foreign Material (having an infinite density). It is more than clear strong, durable and powerful it is Hulk. While Thor to get to destroy universes, galaxies or create others. Need an extra power (which is not of it) as the Odin-Power.

I think those comments are without complete erroneous. And it shows favoritism Thor.

Besides Where do you get that Hulk does not have a power cosmic scale? If you have hundreds of exploits that demonstrate your fingertips. With just those mentioned above, is more than clear scope.

Hulk being quiet, without going to extremes of anger. It has power and strength on a planetary level. It produces more energy than the sun. In a quiet state. When Hulk this quiet is weak. Just look at that. And always limited by Banner.

While Thor to defeat powerful characters (really out of scale) needs extra power. Hulk itself and in a normal incarnation, with its own power, he has knocked out Dormammu a being that rivals Odin, which has a power on a universal scale, which in its dimension is even more powerful and omnipotent in its own dimension. Hulk knock him out and "turn off" literally flame surrounding the head of Dormammu. It is a great feat. Considering that even Odin to defeat Dormammu him is very difficult.

Thor itself has defeated powerful characters like Mangog. But it is more powerful than Hulk. That is completely false. Only way that was more powerful, is it Rune King Thor.

I think you should read well the comics, and not overlook the details. Plus it's clear. For something always Hulk wins most battles against Thor.

I know this article a long time ago. The truth is very wrong about some things he says. What you say may be true but not well. Hulk defeated characters that Thor has never been been able or may be very difficult for him. So why Hulk could defeat Onslaught ?, a being who once possessed powers that outweigh its any Celestial, a power of universal scope or until multiversal. Possessor of a transfinite power. Onslaught assimilate the powers of Franklin Richards, Magneto, Charles Xavier and X-Man (omega level mutant). Just knowing the scope of Franklin Richards, who is able to destroy and create universes, is considered by them Celestials as one of their own, able to alter reality to a universal level, Galactus has caused be his herald. Franklin Richards has defeated many Celestials.

Do not think it necessary to talk about Magneto, Charles Xavier and much less than X-MAN that have a power beyond a planetary scale. Especially Magneto and X-MAN. Onslaught also had an indestructible armor that was made with the desire to be indestructible powers capable of altering reality itself on a universal scale. Even Odin, Zeus, nor would be in the same Celestials capable of cause a scratch on this armor. Yet for all its power. The story implies that Onslaught is able to be superior to any Celestial.

Thor has faced many times the Celestials, but even it has not achieved a feat worthy. It has always been defeated. Hulk could defeat such a powerful character like Onslaught, even destroy an indestructible armor, that neither the powers of Heaven could not even scratch.

Hulk has beaten hundreds of people who have beaten Thor.

So if we follow your logic, it is clear, what I try to say. :)

About the popularity of Hulk, he has not beaten characters for "pure popularity." He has never done that, he has unlimited power. Why has beaten a person of great power, and that many people who hate Hulk, come with that "Hulk could win, due to its popularity, is all." But it is not so, because Hulk defeated a character of great power. But that also has great power.

Hulk has a great power that is well documented in the comic. You should carefully read their stories. Because you are you basing on the opinion of another person, which although logical, is not true. :)

I recommend reading: http://www.comicvine.com/forums/hulk-187/what-makes-the-hulk-incredible-749271/

Sorry for my english, I use a translator.

This is the classic Marvel fighting, and usually do not make clear who would win, but was Hulk who has given most of beatings, but ... Thor the immortal son of almighty Odin, this will always be the fight more even the Marvel Universe, I think Mjolnir always be a serious advantage against any opponent and completely enraged Thor is 10 times more powerful than a normal Thor. Thor and Hulk have already fought in these circumstances in the 440 Hulk, Thor uses where the "madness of the warrior" to face Hulk turn transformed into a young master.

Thor is the hero who else has faced known as The Celestial Cosmic entities, and although it has never beaten has achieved incredible feats against them, I do not dare to give a winner here, perhaps some advantage for Thor, but is Hulk ... and in the end no one is stronger than Hulk.

Hulk has defeated many more times Thor. While Thor the time that has defeated were few, and those which has been achieved with an extra power ... (besides your own).

Another thing I read on this topic. This is not contradictory. Because Marvel has never suffered recotneo its complete continuity. Therefore the feats performed Hulk or Thor, or any character that belongs to the universe-616. They are (canon) even today.

The Hulk 1970 is the same as the today. So Hulk has "incarnations".

But I have already analyzed this battle. . My verdict is Hulk. I have in mind the feats of both. Besides fighting between them.

Actually here have Superman on an altar. I've seen say barbarities. Besides changing the exploits of Superman to enlarge. When you are doing is misrepresenting the character.

I do not understand how they can have such hatred for Hulk. When is a great character, top stories and even more powerful than Superman.

@erkan12: Sorry, is that use Google Chrome. As the translator from English to Spanish in automatic mode. Sure to make the quote, was already translated into Spanish. Sorry. I had not noticed.

Understand that DC is a unique world which is divided into 52 parts. By definition, it is a multiverse. But occupying the same space and power than a universe. While Marvel is a Omniverse, ie has an infinite number of megaverses, each megaverse has infinities multiverse, each multiverse has an infinite number of unique universes, each Marvel universe has an infinite number of dimensions and microversos. Each dimension is like a universe in itself, infinite or limited space. Besides countless galaxies.

We understand this to understand the power of large-scale characters from Marvel and DC.

First, The Celestials are characters with a power universally. They are the most powerful in the world, surpassed only by Eternity is the embodiment of the universe. And obviously by a higher authority than characters Eternity. They can alter reality to a universal level, can create and destroy universes.

Second, in Marvel rated handled, plus there's "Levels of Infinity", a form in which it is explained as a character of infinite power, is superior to another of infinite power. There are different magnitudes of infinity is what Marvel tries to explain. That is, the infinite power of Hulk has proven to be superior to the infinite power that possesses Juggernaut (if we rely on exploits and prowess). For example, Kubik and Kosmos characters capable of altering the natural laws of the universe, creators and in turn destroying universes, possessing infinite power. Cosmic cubes are evolved. They explained in a conversation infinite levels and even told them compared to The Celestials, are nothing.

Third, Marvel and DC handled by different definitions in their fictional universes. While Marvel has more breadth and true cosmic and mystical entities.

Comparing exploits, we realize that characters like Zeus or Odin in power is concerned. They are level or even higher than The Presence (the supreme being of DC). The Presence in all its power, could create a singular universe, which then turned multiverse (was divided into 52 parts, although each weaker than another universe, this weakness in Marvel not exist). While TOAA (supreme being of Marvel) could create a Omniverse (what a Omniverse is explained above). The difference is HUGE and infinite. Furthermore Zeus and Odin are able to create and destroy universes. They have seen shakes and razed several times against Celestials. Even threatened by any of them, to block their kingdoms with Earth, or to isolate his kingdom. Such is the power of The Celestials that Zeus or Odin will frighten them.

Not a whole group of Celestials, against Anti-Monitor is necessary. It is a joke.

Well for this I have to make use of Odin of Asgard (Marvel) and Dormammu. Odin has powers that even universal scales are extended to the multiverse sometimes like Dormammu, being able to alter the space-time continuum-affecting even the multiverse, and are not the only Chthon, Set, Shuma Gorath beings virtually omnipotent in their kingdoms, and many others are in this category. Understand that those actual Marvel Multiverse, where they have an infinite number of unique universes. While DC is a universe, but that was divided into 52 parts and by definition is called Multiverse.

New Gods, Darkseid, the Greek pantheon of DC, none have demonstrated through their stories be in these levels of power, frankly not even Darkseid possessing the ALE .... Sorry but this is so.

Review the exploits of both if you want ... but it is.

DC handles the concept of the Multiverse, differently from "Marvel" no real cosmic abstractions.

Regarding the concept of the universe and multiverse are also very different, while DC multiverse often used the word in the singular, plural Marvel makes adding concepts megaversos and omniverse, showing a much broader concept of a unified whole.

Now speaking of Anti-monitor (SIOC).

In terms of power or just want to emphasize feats that marked its end. During the Crisis on Infinite Earths a being known as the Anti-Monitor would expand its antimatter universe which colliding with positive matter universes caused the destruction of these. This entity that ultimately would travel through time using the full power of your universe together (almost exhausted during this trip) finally succeed in preventing the birth of the DC Multiverse (now using all the absorbed power of the heroes and villains of the 5 last Lands remaining to destroy, and who had traveled through time behind him), causing only born two universes (the new where would live / exist post-crisis and his own antimatter heroes). In this new world order, in this New-Earth many heroes who traveled to the principle of the universe will now be out of worlds without belonging to this new reality and no to return to, among them were Superman (Earth-2) . Now Qward (the world of the Anti-Monitor, its new, reborn universe) it would face in a last epic battle. But the power of the heroes would be nothing to the power of Anti-Monitor that fed his energies in a close binary star. The work distraction of heroes would give him time to Dr. Light to absorb solar energy of the sun that fed the Anti-Monitor, weakening. Alex Luthor (Earth-3) further weaken the Anti-Monitor to directly drain your energy, and the scorching touch finish radioactive Negative Woman hurt and hurt the Anti-Monitor. Opening the way for a combined attack of heroes and a last effort and lethal attack Dr. Luz end (which would attack him with the power of the sun) to overthrow and defeat the villain, leaving his body on an asteroid.

We must emphasize that Anti-Monitor was shot down and temporarily defeated by an attack with the power of the sun. It's funny, Hulk and Thor resist attacks dozen suns power or supernova. Or attacks beyond imagining.

But the Anti-Monitor would not be truly defeated a spark still life allowed him to absorb the power of his demons shadows (trapped by the combined magic of several beings), giving enough to challenge once again the heroes energies, killing Wonder Woman and thus begin the final and ultimate adventure for a whole era of Superman stories. And it is here that the figure would highlight the original Superman, Kal-L surprised to Pre-Crisis Superman / Silver Age knocking him a powerful blow to face alone the Anti-Monitor and thus cover the retreat of the other heroes. But the Anti-Monitor no longer be so powerful and shadow demons were changed mystically absorbed and now destroyed inside. Superboy (Earth-Prime) would stay to help his older self and would witness because Superman calo both collectively and imagination of so many children. Kal-L hit hard, with determination, using a moon and asteroids to hit the growing weaker Anti-Monitor once, but the entity though weak and hurt still would rise threatening to destroy both Supermen, and just as he was beginning to win power again would finally almost destroyed by Darkseid to use Alex as a conduit to unleash a devastating attack that would destroy the body of Anti-Monitor and throw to the center of the Sun Binary. But even the stubborn Anti-Monitor would refuse to die leaving Superman alive, and try to make one last attack giving oportunita to shine one last time to the original Superman, which would eventually destroy arrajándolo again the sun and causing the destruction of the star.

This was a time where we must understand the context in which these stories were written. It was at a time when science and logic were ignored. Where comics were just kid stuff. Marvel revolutionized with its input and its attachment to reality all the comics industry. DC Inclusive finish for "Marvelizarse". Although still was not so difficult to understand, and proven in the most aggressive battle in the DC Universe. The level of that battle is exceeded each month, fighting between characters of great power, true universal scope and beyond.

Many argue that Anti-Monitor (SIOC) possesses the power of an entire Multiverse, but not, as originally it is a universe. In addition to that universe was divided into 52 parts, which by definition is started calling Multiverse. But occupying the same space and energy than a universe. Others argue that had so much power that managed to destroy the DC Multiverse, which Anti-Monitor was an omnipotent and omnipresent being. Not so, spending most of his energy absorbed in a simple trip to the past. Also I do not destroy its own power the DC Multiverse, but avoid his birth. But this cause they were born just two universes. Is a universe, instead of being divided into 52 parts, was now divided into 2 parts. Antimatter universe and one normal.

If you want to compare the Celestial lower level and see the HUGE difference between the two characters.

Say what you will, but distort the information or say the greatest atrocities. This is something that is established comics and law.

My english is bad. I use a translator.