X-man vs. Flash

X man as shaman can't be harmed by flash so xman.

Flash easily. Curbstomp.

X man easily wins

@darkszoom said:

X man easily wins

are you referring to shaman nate? cause if so, he takes this

due to a number of reasons..

@X_insignia1: Reasons?

I don't know much about X-Man...is he always aware of his surroundings and able to react at light speed?

Flash should be able to take him out way faster than he can even think.

@SpideyPresence said:

Flash should be able to take him out way faster than he can even think.

Scans? I see no proof he can do this to X-Man

@KMART4455: I'll do more. I'll provide logic.

The speed of thought. Neurons to neurons is 100 m/s roughly 223 mph. As we all know. Flash is not a measly 223 mph.

Oh please, current X-Man couldn't beat Toad.

@SpideyPresence said:

Flash should be able to take him out way faster than he can even think.

Well, I won't say who wins yet, but I don't think people with highly evolved brain think as fast as normal human being.

"Faster than thought" is only applicable for anyone with normal human stat. How fast X-Man is is left to speculation.

And depends if astral attack works on Flash. In character, Flash won't even move near-light speed for environment's sake.

People are aware that post-Dark X-Men Nate might be the comic book character who has received the most severe nerfing in recent years, right? Unless that situation has changed and no one told me?

@usmuscle said:

X man as shaman can't be harmed by flash so xman.

Well current nate can barely use his powers but shaman nate would slaughter the flash and you could pretty much add the whole jla with the flash and it wouldn't make a difference. Nate is pure energy basically a ghost with telepathyand telkenetic abilities = to the dark pheonix .

Well current nate can barely use his powers but shaman nate would slaughter the flash and you could pretty much add the whole jla with the flash and it wouldn't make a difference. Nate is pure energy basically a ghost with telepathyand telkenetic abilities = to the dark pheonix .

@SpideyPresence said:

Flash should be able to take him out way faster than he can even think.

@SpideyPresence said:

Flash should be able to take him out way faster than he can even think.

Yeah. Flash once ripped out Amazo's heart and showed it to him. Granted, that was in The Nail continuity, but I'm sure the principle is the same.

No wouldn't work against shaman can't be harmed by physical attacks and would whip the flash faster then you can say Wally.

X-Man can barely lift someone with his TK, Flash smears him across a state.

Shaman Nate is immune to physical damage. Current... isn't.

Current X-Man is a joke. Flash wins while filing his taxes.

Flash.

Flash.

@SpideyPresence said:

@X_insignia1: Reasons?

-high-end matter/energy manipulation

-moon shattering telekinesis

-time manipulation (has been show to freeze time prior shaman)

-the ability to step out of the flow of time (planck length)

-he could easily bfr (casual dimension teleporter)

-reality warping(confirmed)

-intangible psionic form, essentially cannot be harmed by physical means

-telepathy of the highest order

nonetheless i really hope Nate's full abilities return some point in the future

the guy was severely neutered

stalemate..Nate cannot be hurt by physical means and without PIS/CIS/WIS nate should never able to percieve nevertheless react to a serious flash.

how?@BMEZY

Nate has a plethora of perceptions, essentially COULD view the entire time stream and act at any given moment, despite the flash being a speedster,i don't see how he could resist telepathy...

Flash. Especially current Nate.

@YoggSaron said:

Current X-Man is a joke. Flash wins while filing his taxes.

@shenbtios

how would Nate die when he's no longer harmed by physical attacks? and again, how can the flash respond to an isolate time freeze or reality warp? Nate has been shown react quick enough to dodge lightning ( despite the fact t hat wally is much faster) it's a notable reaction feat, he was also fast enough to react to AoA's northstar and aurora...and again nate could simply bfr the flash, dimension jump...he's also been show to atomically incinerate opponents on multiple occasions...

@BMEZY: Shaman Nate can stop time

Lol.... Shaman Nate could stop time, had different ways of looking into the future. His telepathic and telekinesis powers are unmatched... he could disassemble things and control matter just as well as Dr. Manhattan(if not better). I'm also missing so many other powers that he possesses when he is at his full potential. If this was a serious fight when Nate is at his full potential then it comes down to the fact that Nate is physical immune and pretty much pure energy. Nate would win at full potential in my opinion... but current Nate would get owned by Flash.

@usmuscle said:

X man as shaman can't be harmed by flash so xman.

Umm can i get some reaction time scans? Or Speed Steal gives Flash the win.

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/6192/xman028large1112.jpg

http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/1631/xman04901.jpg

i don't see how speed steal would work against Nate, especially in his psi form...

not to mention Nate could simply posses the flashes body...(body hopping)

@X_insignia1 said:

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/6192/xman028large1112.jpg

http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/1631/xman04901.jpg

i don't see how speed steal would work against Nate, especially in his psi form...

If his Psi form can move than or even think than it creates Kinetic energy which Flash can steal. Unless his Shaman form is invisible.

flash

Only Wally could speed steal because he had the strongest connection but this is all irrelevant this is not Nate's strongest version it's his current and current Flash beat's him so easily it's not funny.

@Dextersinister: Wally's not the only Speed Stealer

Jay Garrick can at old age

I believe Barry allen can too. But anyways Flash wins.

@SpideyPresence said:

@X_insignia1 said:

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/6192/xman028large1112.jpg

http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/1631/xman04901.jpg

i don't see how speed steal would work against Nate, especially in his psi form...

If his Psi form can move than or even think than it creates Kinetic energy which Flash can steal. Unless his Shaman form is invisible.

pure energy is essentially massless, the flash wouldn't steal a thing

@X_insignia1: Um Yes he could seeing as he steals kinetic energy. If Shaman has it then his speed get's stolen unless

A) He doesn't which is impossible if he's moving really

B) He is invisible

@SpideyPresence

not all energy is kinetic, in this case, psionic energy, it's massless, speed stealing would be useless, the guy's essentially just a consciousness

@X_insignia1: Aaah i didn't get that you ment Shaman is pure psionic energy in this case he wins. Is he always in that form though?

@SpideyPresence said:

@X_insignia1: Aaah i didn't get that you ment Shaman is pure psionic energy in this case he wins. Is he always in that form though?

during dark x-men he was for the most part...he could alternate between those two forms at will

@X_insignia1: Hmmm does he usually use that form for battle?

@SpideyPresence said:

@X_insignia1: Hmmm does he usually use that form for battle?

yes he does , but which version of x-man are you using for this battle?

if shaman, he always uses this form ( as of dark x-men) but post Shaman no..due to his huge depowerment.

@X_insignia1: Well were using his current form so debating outside of those rules are pointless. As i understand it this is spite against his current form