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#1 Posted by xmenhulk (752 posts) - - Show Bio

X-man  not X-men the team.     Who wins and why.
#2 Posted by usmuscle (109 posts) - - Show Bio

X man as shaman can't be harmed by flash so xman.

#3 Edited by SpideyPresence (1906 posts) - - Show Bio

Flash easily. Curbstomp.

#4 Posted by darkszoom (35 posts) - - Show Bio

X man easily wins

#5 Posted by crabtree (1613 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkszoom said:

X man easily wins
#6 Posted by X_insignia1 (1395 posts) - - Show Bio

are you referring to shaman nate? cause if so, he takes this

due to a number of reasons..

#7 Posted by SpideyPresence (1906 posts) - - Show Bio

@X_insignia1: Reasons?

#8 Posted by Jayfournines (4024 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't know much about X-Man...is he always aware of his surroundings and able to react at light speed?

#9 Posted by SpideyPresence (1906 posts) - - Show Bio

Flash should be able to take him out way faster than he can even think.

#10 Posted by KMART4455 (1290 posts) - - Show Bio

@SpideyPresence said:

Flash should be able to take him out way faster than he can even think.

Scans? I see no proof he can do this to X-Man

#11 Edited by SpideyPresence (1906 posts) - - Show Bio

@KMART4455: I'll do more. I'll provide logic.

The speed of thought. Neurons to neurons is 100 m/s roughly 223 mph. As we all know. Flash is not a measly 223 mph.

#12 Posted by Saren (25055 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh please, current X-Man couldn't beat Toad.

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#13 Posted by AngryHulks (3001 posts) - - Show Bio

@SpideyPresence said:

Flash should be able to take him out way faster than he can even think.

Well, I won't say who wins yet, but I don't think people with highly evolved brain think as fast as normal human being.

"Faster than thought" is only applicable for anyone with normal human stat. How fast X-Man is is left to speculation.

And depends if astral attack works on Flash. In character, Flash won't even move near-light speed for environment's sake.

#14 Posted by Saren (25055 posts) - - Show Bio

People are aware that post-Dark X-Men Nate might be the comic book character who has received the most severe nerfing in recent years, right? Unless that situation has changed and no one told me?

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#15 Posted by ChaosBlazer (3930 posts) - - Show Bio

@usmuscle said:

X man as shaman can't be harmed by flash so xman.

#16 Posted by usmuscle (109 posts) - - Show Bio

Well current nate can barely use his powers but shaman nate would slaughter the flash and you could pretty much add the whole jla with the flash and it wouldn't make a difference. Nate is pure energy basically a ghost with telepathyand telkenetic abilities = to the dark pheonix .

#17 Posted by usmuscle (109 posts) - - Show Bio

Well current nate can barely use his powers but shaman nate would slaughter the flash and you could pretty much add the whole jla with the flash and it wouldn't make a difference. Nate is pure energy basically a ghost with telepathyand telkenetic abilities = to the dark pheonix .

#18 Posted by TheVoiceOfReason (747 posts) - - Show Bio

@SpideyPresence said:

Flash should be able to take him out way faster than he can even think.

#19 Posted by cuddles666 (310 posts) - - Show Bio

@SpideyPresence said:

Flash should be able to take him out way faster than he can even think.

Yeah. Flash once ripped out Amazo's heart and showed it to him. Granted, that was in The Nail continuity, but I'm sure the principle is the same.

#20 Posted by usmuscle (109 posts) - - Show Bio

No wouldn't work against shaman can't be harmed by physical attacks and would whip the flash faster then you can say Wally.

#21 Posted by Dextersinister (6497 posts) - - Show Bio

X-Man can barely lift someone with his TK, Flash smears him across a state.

#22 Posted by JediXMan (31265 posts) - - Show Bio

Shaman Nate is immune to physical damage. Current... isn't.

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#23 Posted by YoggSaron (812 posts) - - Show Bio

Current X-Man is a joke. Flash wins while filing his taxes.

#24 Posted by TDK_1997 (15059 posts) - - Show Bio

Flash.

#25 Posted by nickthedevil (13873 posts) - - Show Bio

Flash.

#26 Posted by X_insignia1 (1395 posts) - - Show Bio

@SpideyPresence said:

@X_insignia1: Reasons?

-high-end matter/energy manipulation

-moon shattering telekinesis

-time manipulation (has been show to freeze time prior shaman)

-the ability to step out of the flow of time (planck length)

-he could easily bfr (casual dimension teleporter)

-reality warping(confirmed)

-intangible psionic form, essentially cannot be harmed by physical means

-telepathy of the highest order

#27 Posted by X_insignia1 (1395 posts) - - Show Bio

nonetheless i really hope Nate's full abilities return some point in the future

the guy was severely neutered

#28 Posted by BMEZY (1206 posts) - - Show Bio

stalemate..Nate cannot be hurt by physical means and without PIS/CIS/WIS nate should never able to percieve nevertheless react to a serious flash.

#29 Posted by X_insignia1 (1395 posts) - - Show Bio

how?

Nate has a plethora of perceptions, essentially COULD view the entire time stream and act at any given moment, despite the flash being a speedster,i don't see how he could resist telepathy...

#30 Posted by Needlebay (1966 posts) - - Show Bio

Flash. Especially current Nate.

#31 Posted by venomoushatred1001 (12273 posts) - - Show Bio

@YoggSaron said:

Current X-Man is a joke. Flash wins while filing his taxes.

#32 Posted by X_insignia1 (1395 posts) - - Show Bio

how would Nate die when he's no longer harmed by physical attacks? and again, how can the flash respond to an isolate time freeze or reality warp? Nate has been shown react quick enough to dodge lightning ( despite the fact t hat wally is much faster) it's a notable reaction feat, he was also fast enough to react to AoA's northstar and aurora...and again nate could simply bfr the flash, dimension jump...he's also been show to atomically incinerate opponents on multiple occasions...

#33 Posted by SpawNgengiskhaN (192 posts) - - Show Bio

@BMEZY: Shaman Nate can stop time

#34 Posted by SpawNgengiskhaN (192 posts) - - Show Bio

Lol.... Shaman Nate could stop time, had different ways of looking into the future. His telepathic and telekinesis powers are unmatched... he could disassemble things and control matter just as well as Dr. Manhattan(if not better). I'm also missing so many other powers that he possesses when he is at his full potential. If this was a serious fight when Nate is at his full potential then it comes down to the fact that Nate is physical immune and pretty much pure energy. Nate would win at full potential in my opinion... but current Nate would get owned by Flash.

#35 Posted by TERMINATORXX (3899 posts) - - Show Bio

@usmuscle said:

X man as shaman can't be harmed by flash so xman.

#36 Posted by SpideyPresence (1906 posts) - - Show Bio

Umm can i get some reaction time scans? Or Speed Steal gives Flash the win.

#37 Edited by X_insignia1 (1395 posts) - - Show Bio
#38 Posted by X_insignia1 (1395 posts) - - Show Bio

not to mention Nate could simply posses the flashes body...(body hopping)

#39 Posted by SpideyPresence (1906 posts) - - Show Bio
#40 Posted by jokesonyoubats (9 posts) - - Show Bio

flash

#41 Posted by Dextersinister (6497 posts) - - Show Bio

Only Wally could speed steal because he had the strongest connection but this is all irrelevant this is not Nate's strongest version it's his current and current Flash beat's him so easily it's not funny.

#42 Posted by SpideyPresence (1906 posts) - - Show Bio

@Dextersinister: Wally's not the only Speed Stealer

Jay Garrick can at old age

I believe Barry allen can too. But anyways Flash wins.

#43 Edited by X_insignia1 (1395 posts) - - Show Bio
#44 Posted by SpideyPresence (1906 posts) - - Show Bio

@X_insignia1: Um Yes he could seeing as he steals kinetic energy. If Shaman has it then his speed get's stolen unless

A) He doesn't which is impossible if he's moving really

B) He is invisible

#45 Posted by X_insignia1 (1395 posts) - - Show Bio

not all energy is kinetic, in this case, psionic energy, it's massless, speed stealing would be useless, the guy's essentially just a consciousness

#46 Posted by SpideyPresence (1906 posts) - - Show Bio

@X_insignia1: Aaah i didn't get that you ment Shaman is pure psionic energy in this case he wins. Is he always in that form though?

#47 Posted by X_insignia1 (1395 posts) - - Show Bio

@SpideyPresence said:

@X_insignia1: Aaah i didn't get that you ment Shaman is pure psionic energy in this case he wins. Is he always in that form though?

during dark x-men he was for the most part...he could alternate between those two forms at will

#48 Posted by SpideyPresence (1906 posts) - - Show Bio

@X_insignia1: Hmmm does he usually use that form for battle?

#49 Posted by X_insignia1 (1395 posts) - - Show Bio

@SpideyPresence said:

@X_insignia1: Hmmm does he usually use that form for battle?

yes he does , but which version of x-man are you using for this battle?

if shaman, he always uses this form ( as of dark x-men) but post Shaman no..due to his huge depowerment.

#50 Posted by SpideyPresence (1906 posts) - - Show Bio

@X_insignia1: Well were using his current form so debating outside of those rules are pointless. As i understand it this is spite against his current form