let me build the scenario. this happens in Dark reign when Asgard has been besieged by the dark avengers. BA suddenly appears looking for a certain energy source rumoured to be in Asgard that could augment his strength. Ms marvel attacks him thinking that the avengers have contracted him to fight for them. BA floors her with a single blow. the sentry is enraged at this and attacks BA as the void. How does this go?
Void was really a badass until the helicarrier incident was he? I mean remove that event and we'll have Sentry fans here saying BA would get his molecules ripped apart or something like that. Unfortunately it happened and so Adam brings down Void with a Helicarrier. Hehehe!
To all people who are with BA: Did he ever showed magical energy projection that is more powerfull than Mjolnir & Norn Stones combined? Or immune to matter manipulation?
Void isn't even clearly solid, so BA's strength doesn't matter.
Still no prove that BA magic projection is above Mjolnir and NS combined. Still no proves that he is immune to matter manipulation. So Void still will win this by powers.
P.S. If so many people belives in him this shouldn't be a problem to show such a scans if they exist.
" Still no prove that BA magic projection is above Mjolnir and NS combined. Still no proves that he is immune to matter manipulation. So Void still will win this by powers.
P.S. If so many people belives in him this shouldn't be a problem to show such a scans if they exist. "
@czarny_samael: I'd like to see that, because the only scans I've ever seen of him are the ones where he kills people way weaker then him, except for Amazo in Infinte Crisis.
" Still no prove that BA magic projection is above Mjolnir and NS combined. Still no proves that he is immune to matter manipulation. So Void still will win this by powers.
P.S. If so many people belives in him this shouldn't be a problem to show such a scans if they exist. "
true i think Void rapes him like he did to Loki "
Black Adam and Loki are on vastly different levels.
" @Thepowercosmic said: Loki got way more magic powers to dos of BA and he is a hand to hand powerhouse an that wont help against Void
" @czarny_samael said:
" Still no prove that BA magic projection is above Mjolnir and NS combined. Still no proves that he is immune to matter manipulation. So Void still will win this by powers.
P.S. If so many people belives in him this shouldn't be a problem to show such a scans if they exist. "
true i think Void rapes him like he did to Loki "
Black Adam and Loki are on vastly different levels. "
" and Loki gave all of Asgard gods powers to the avengers and they only where able to stand up for 3 sec with all that power what u think BA can do? RESPECT THE VOID!!!!! "
Loki used the Norn Stones to do this. This was not under his own power.
i know that im only trying to make a point here even with all of asgard power giving to the avengers they only where able to stand up. an thats a lot of power BA wont stand a chance.
" Still no prove that BA magic projection is above Mjolnir and NS combined. Still no proves that he is immune to matter manipulation. So Void still will win this by powers.
P.S. If so many people belives in him this shouldn't be a problem to show such a scans if they exist. "
true i think Void rapes him like he did to Loki "
Black Adam and Loki are on vastly different levels. "
true,but void could do some hurt on b.a,,,its pretty close imo,
" Without any outside energy sources (Norn Stones,etc) Adam rips (Loki) him in half. "
Agree, but Void (unlike Loki) isn't really solid, so You need to attack him with: a)magic energy projection b)matter manipulation c)magic boosted weapons. a) (and c) ) must be more powerfull than Mjolnir and Norn Stones combined, because they used much more to take him off (he already destroyed Asgard, take attacks from Ares's - magic? - axe, rip Ares in half, fight with Thor, then fight with all Avengers and Thor and then he again fight against all of them, Loki with NS and take HC on himself). And about b) it must be much more powerfull than Molecule Man's MM (so people who will use it must have much better mm feats than MM to defeat him).
Maybe I, Thepowercosmic and CylonDorado didn't read enough comics with BA, maybe he somewhere showed such a powers, but there at least 12 people who belives that he has such a powers, so - as I said before - this should be really easy to show these scans. If they really exists.
" i know that im only trying to make a point here even with all of asgard power giving to the avengers they only where able to stand up. an thats a lot of power BA wont stand a chance. "
You obviously haven't read WW3
@Jake Fury said:
" @czarny_samael: The Void never used any of Molecule Man's molecular feats. The Sentry used them in one issue. Loki amped up the heroes abilities' with the Norn Stones. The power was distributed through all of the heroes assembled. Ares physically attacked the Sentry not the Void. He never even attempted to use his axe during the fight. "
He did, and he got Sentry/Void in the side, if I remember correctly.
" @czarny_samael: The Void never used any of Molecule Man's molecular feats. The Sentry used them in one issue. Loki amped up the heroes abilities' with the Norn Stones. The power was distributed through all of the heroes assembled. Ares physically attacked the Sentry not the Void. He never even attempted to use his axe during the fight. "
1.This was Void, not Sentry. All this times when he had black eyes, it was Void. And all his other apperances are cool with that. He allways used shape shift when he faced Sentry. Sentry on other hand - never. Sentry wasn't in control even for a second (probably) since his wife died. 2.Ares cut him and it didn't really hurt him. We should remember that Ares did pretty impresive things with his axe before. He was also very durable and Void killed him like nothing. If like to see a scan, I can bring it. 3.Void's dark energy also went through Cap's shield and Thor's body. 4.Norn Stones boosted Mjolnir too and it still didn't take him out. It hurt him (and this was the first time in the battle when he screamed).
The Void has zero feats that put him on the level of Black Adam.
Here's an entry from Adam's page comparing his feats to The Void's.
Attempting to intercept him, the brave but outclassed Teen Titans are badly beaten by Black Adam, whose all-consuming rage at the loss of yet another family has put him beyond temperance or mercy. Two Titans, Young Frankenstein and Terra, are slain. The Martian Manhunter, one of the few beings to match Adam in power on earth, attempts to subdue him psychically but is himself driven temporarily catatonic. Black Adam singlehandedly slays the most powerful superhumans in China before the Chinese acquiesce to let the American superhumans intervene on their soil. In a stunning display of power and ferocity, Black Adam then goes on to stand alone against a conglomeration of some of earth’s most powerful beings, including multiple Green Lanterns, Firestorm, Supergirl, Martian Manhunter, the Marvel family, the remaining Teen Titans, the JSA, and many others.
In conclusion I'll simply state this. The combined heroes of WW3>>>>gathered heroes at Siege by a large margin. Greater numbers and far greater in terms of sheer power.
Since all these random Void scans are being thrown around, I think it's only fair we show some BA stuff. Stole these from Zoom who posted them in Creator's DC powerhouse thread.
Can't even feel Atom Smasher's strength
Kills Amazo, a robot with the combined power of the JLA
Murders a country
Black Adam tears through a force field designed to take hits from asteroids During WW3, Black Adam proves he's as powerful as the combined heroes of Earth.
Wrecks the Doom Patrol
Smashes the Great Ten
Creams the Martian Manhunter
Defeats the Marvel Family
Beats the Titans and rips through Raven's soul self Charges headlong into the first wave of heroes, one shotting Green Lantern, Dr Light, Geo-Force, Power Girl, Steel, Firestorm, Stripes and Jay Garrick
Kills Famine, a very powerful bioweapon, in one move. He then goes on to kill War and Pestilence Kills Death, the most powerful of the Four Horsemen after amping him up by killing millions. Before being amped up, Death was powerful enough to kill Isis, a Marvel.
" Charges headlong into the first wave of heroes, one shotting Green Lantern, Dr Light, Geo-Force, Power Girl, Steel, Firestorm, Stripes and Jay Garrick
1.Great fights, but I asked about matter manipulation or magic energy projection. According to his bios he has tmagical energy bolts, but did they ever seem more powerfull than Mjolnir alone? 2.I don't see him resistin MM there, sorry.
@Jake Fury said:
" The Void has zero feats that put him on the level of Black Adam.
Here's an entry from Adam's page comparing his feats to The Void's.
The combined heroes of WW3>>>>gathered heroes at Siege by a large margin. Greater numbers and far greater in terms of sheer power. Adam wins. "
1.This is ABC logic. They can be more powerfull, but a) he don't have all their powers & b)he defeated them by brute strength not any of things that will work on Void. 2.You didn't really answer on my post. 3.Did he resist MM there?
@czarny_samael: I just want to note I was just posted those scans to show some of BA's feats. Now then. 1. His magic lighting is technically not his only magic based attack. Technically all his attacks are magic based because he himself is a magically boosted character. 2. I did not post that to show him resisting MM's telepathy, the scan actually shows him overpowering and defeating the Martian Manhunter. Who might I add is powerful in his own right.
" @czarny_samael: I just want to note I was just posted those scans to show some of BA's feats. Now then. 1. His magic lighting is technically not his only magic based attack. Technically all his attacks are magic based because he himself is a magically boosted character. 2. I did not post that to show him resisting MM's telepathy, the scan actually shows him overpowering and defeating the Martian Manhunter. Who might I add is powerful in his own right. "
1.Yes, but it didn't seem more powerfull than Thor's, let alone Mjolnir. 2.MM - matter manipulation ;) And I know this scan. He did the same thing to him, what Void did to Emma in Utopia.
@King-Stranglehold da first said:
" Void can only be hurt intense energy light. "
No, he can be hurt by magic (Siege) and matter manipulation (Molecule Man).
" @The Average Bear: This is Void shape shifting taking on the whole the new Avengers. "
While this is all true, Black Adam took on heavier hitters than the Void did, despite his ability to shape-shift
@King-Stranglehold da first said:
" Void can only be hurt intense energy light. "
*SHAZAM* "
1.Of course, but this isn't the point. 2.He can't, there are other weakness that can hurt him. For example, Sentry tried to killed himself in sun to kill Void and Void was recreating them in the same moment.
" @The Average Bear: This is Void shape shifting taking on the whole the new Avengers. "
While this is all true, Black Adam took on heavier hitters than the Void did, despite his ability to shape-shift
@King-Stranglehold da first said:
" Void can only be hurt intense energy light. "
*SHAZAM* "
1.Of course, but this isn't the point. 2.He can't, there are other weakness that can hurt him. For example, Sentry tried to killed himself in sun to kill Void and Void was recreating them in the same moment. "
@czarny_samael: 1.What do you mean it didn't seem more powerful then Thor's? He was trashing some very powerful opponents with it. Also, does it matter? You're the one who said magic is one of Void's weakness and Black Adam is a magical character. :/ 2. I think Black Adam may possess resistance due to his magical origins, but honestly I don't know. Does void even use that a lot? Did he even use it against Thor? Can he use before BA blitzes him with lightning and such?
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