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#1 Posted by RunawayAvenger (493 posts) - - Show Bio

My Team:

Rachel Summers

Psylocke

Shadowcat

Iceman

Your team can only use a team of four mutants.

Legion is not allowed

They must be alive in current 616 continuity, you also cannot use Daken and Banshee because of Death Seed.

No prep.

Battle takes place in the Jean Grey school Grounds.

#2 Posted by DarkRaiden (7340 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh wow I wonder

Hope Summers

Multiple Man

Mister Immortal (if you don't like him then Rogue)

Magneto (he's alive right?)

#3 Posted by RunawayAvenger (493 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden: Hope Summers would be rendered comatose within seconds by either telepath. Multiple man vs Iceman in an army battle plus Iceman's omega level powers. Mister Immortal would be phased into the ground and Magneto is weak in current continuity so he would downed so easily.

#4 Edited by DarkRaiden (7340 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden: Hope Summers would be rendered comatose within seconds by either telepath. Multiple man vs Iceman in an army battle plus Iceman's omega level powers. Mister Immortal would be phased into the ground and Magneto is weak in current continuity so he would downed so easily.

Except....no. Maybe Magneto (I have no idea what he's doing) but Hope has telepathic shields from the phoenix force supposedly and her very presence copies their powers so....if they have defenses, now she does. She also has Iceman's powers, is Immortal thanks to Mister Immortal and can now make clones cause Multiple Man. Not to sure on Magneto, may replace him with Storm or Rogue or something, but Hope wins due to being a mutant mimic of sorts.

Multiple Man's also very hard to put down even with ice man's powers. Mister Immortal is inconsequential just here to give Hope's clones immortality on a serious level.

#5 Posted by RunawayAvenger (493 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden: Phoenix is gone, she also has so little skill in regards to telepathy. If she was rendered comatose I don't think she can use anyone's powers. My telepaths can take down everyone with the exception of Magneto because of his helmet. Multiple man is just so easy to defeat in this battle. Mr Immortal has little other than his power, so I doubt that he can do much here.

#6 Edited by DarkRaiden (7340 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden: Phoenix is gone, she also has so little skill in regards to telepathy. If she was rendered comatose I don't think she can use anyone's powers. My telepaths can take down everyone with the exception of Magneto because of his helmet. Multiple man is just so easy to defeat in this battle. Mr Immortal has little other than his power, so I doubt that he can do much here.

She doesn't need skill...she gets your telepaths skills by being near them. Thus they can't make her comatose since her telepathy is as strong as theirs.

#8 Posted by RunawayAvenger (493 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden:

Yes but telepaths need a degree of control and finesse in a battle especially against two omega level telepaths. Her power means nothing when fighting two very experienced telepaths. She doesn't duplicate their experience and control just their power.

#9 Posted by DarkRaiden (7340 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden:

Yes but telepaths need a degree of control and finesse in a battle especially against two omega level telepaths. Her power means nothing when fighting two very experienced telepaths. She doesn't duplicate their experience and control just their power.

"Her telekinesis and reaction timing are so great that she was capable of stopping a bullet in mid air that was fired by Bishop. Her telepathy was strong enough for her to be able to sense Bishop's presence."

http://www.comicvine.com/hope-summers/4005-49329/

"

Empathic Power Mimicry: The limits of this power have yet to be reached or determined.[33] She does not need to physically touch her subjects (as with Rogue), nor does it appear as though her using an individual's powers subtracts at all from their own power level. It appears that Hope needs to be in close proximity to subjects to exhibit their powers,[28] and that powers fade with distance from subject. She can only copy mutant powers.The powers Hope has demonstrated so far include:

  • Power and Aura Absorption: from Rogue. She touched Rogue and survived without any damage and erased all of the previous memories and abilities Rogue had absorbed, including those of the Hecatomb. She also cured Rogue of the Strain 88 virus.[34]
  • Telekinesis and Telepathy: from Cable. Using telekinesis, she was able to stop a bullet in midair, and she was able to sense Bishop's presence using telepathy.[2] When she was finally reunited with her father, she again mimicked his telekinesis and upon contact with him may have briefly gain precognition.[35]:"

http://marvel.wikia.com/Hope_Summers_%28Earth-616%29

So she's had telepathy before. She has experience. She won't be getting taken down by those 2. Maybe if it was Emma you could make a case, but I have to disagree with those two.

#10 Posted by boschePG (2341 posts) - - Show Bio

My Team:

Rachel Summers

Psylocke

Shadowcat

Iceman

Your team can only use a team of four mutants.

Legion is not allowed

They must be alive in current 616 continuity, you also cannot use Daken and Banshee because of Death Seed.

No prep.

Battle takes place in the Jean Grey school Grounds.

Fantomex

Scarlet Witch

Eden Fesi

Quake

Fantomex gives the misdirection trick. Scarlet Witch as the widlcard. Eden Fesi BFRs your team. Quake cant be tracked by TP thus creates an earthquake in all your brains. Hows that?

#11 Posted by boschePG (2341 posts) - - Show Bio

@runawayavenger said:

@darkraiden: Hope Summers would be rendered comatose within seconds by either telepath. Multiple man vs Iceman in an army battle plus Iceman's omega level powers. Mister Immortal would be phased into the ground and Magneto is weak in current continuity so he would downed so easily.

Except....no. Maybe Magneto (I have no idea what he's doing) but Hope has telepathic shields from the phoenix force supposedly and her very presence copies their powers so....if they have defenses, now she does. She also has Iceman's powers, is Immortal thanks to Mister Immortal and can now make clones cause Multiple Man. Not to sure on Magneto, may replace him with Storm or Rogue or something, but Hope wins due to being a mutant mimic of sorts.

Multiple Man's also very hard to put down even with ice man's powers. Mister Immortal is inconsequential just here to give Hope's clones immortality on a serious level.

nice.

#12 Posted by RunawayAvenger (493 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden: I doubt that the experience she has had is enough to defeat two omega level Telepaths who have been telepaths since puberty. They have had so much more experience than her, the telepathy she had was on and off, I get that she was with Cable during her childhood, but she wouldn't have used it as much as these two, one thing is that they are older than her, and considerably more powerful in regards to telepathy.

#13 Edited by Guardian_of_Gravity (2979 posts) - - Show Bio

Franklin Richards

Jean Grey

Emma frost

Darwin

The rest are really just there to cheerlead for Franky. And yes he's a mutant.

#14 Edited by RunawayAvenger (493 posts) - - Show Bio

@boschepg: Quake isn't a mutant, she was believed to be but her DNA was changed because of her father's mutated DNA, I know that sounds like she is a mutant, but she isn't. But the rest of your team is very good and I will give you props for using manifold.

#15 Edited by chiq (1966 posts) - - Show Bio

Kid Omega, North Star, Magik and Loa

#16 Posted by DarkRaiden (7340 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden: I doubt that the experience she has had is enough to defeat two omega level Telepaths who have been telepaths since puberty. They have had so much more experience than her, the telepathy she had was on and off, I get that she was with Cable during her childhood, but she wouldn't have used it as much as these two, one thing is that they are older than her, and considerably more powerful in regards to telepathy.

Look at the name you used. Cable. Cable, the guy who needed Silver Surfer to come down to earth just to beat him at his peak. Yeah I think she has the experience and skill to at least block their assault. Also like to mention that she's an expert at combat just from watching Cable. She picks up things fast, no reason why she wouldn't pick up skill with TP just as fast.

#17 Posted by RunawayAvenger (493 posts) - - Show Bio

@guardian_of_gravity: Okay (excluding Franklin), I want to say my telepaths could beat Jean (assuming this is the past Jean, which it should be as Jean is dead) is not capable of defeating Rachel or Psylocke telepathically. Then Rachel or Psylocke could take down Emma with TK as her diamond form protects her from TP. Then Darwin could be frozen by Bobby (unlikely considering Darwin's powers), but with Franklin I suppose that unless Betsy and Rachel were quick enough, he would beat my team. (Plus I know he is a mutant, doesn't everyone? Onslaught and all??)

#18 Posted by RunawayAvenger (493 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden: Combat is completely different to Telepathic combat. Psylocke and Rachel know how to get deep inside someone's mind alone they could beat her, together they would stomp. Telepathy can take so long to master, Hope doesn't telepathy as much as Rachel and Betsy, Cable may be powerful but like I said power can mean nothing against someone's experience. Their combined knowledge would allow them to shut down Hope's powers let alone her mind.

#19 Posted by kidman560 (7577 posts) - - Show Bio

Fantomex

Domino

Emma Frost

Jean Grey

im feeling lucky (get it)

#20 Edited by RunawayAvenger (493 posts) - - Show Bio

Is the Jean Grey everyone is using the past Jean? Because dead Jean isn't allowed.

Also everyone must be aware that Fantomex doesn't have his misdirection anymore and Emma has no telepathy.

#21 Posted by DarkRaiden (7340 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden: Combat is completely different to Telepathic combat. Psylocke and Rachel know how to get deep inside someone's mind alone they could beat her, together they would stomp. Telepathy can take so long to master, Hope doesn't telepathy as much as Rachel and Betsy, Cable may be powerful but like I said power can mean nothing against someone's experience. Their combined knowledge would allow them to shut down Hope's powers let alone her mind.

You know Martial arts takes over 40 years to master and Hope had it down before she was like 15? Yeah the time doesn't matter, she's likely mastered telepathic combat as well, from Cable. Psylocke's not even a factor btw, but even Rachel won't be taking down Hope. And yes, power>>>>>>experience all the time. Sometimes someone's mind is simply too powerful.

#22 Posted by RunawayAvenger (493 posts) - - Show Bio

@chiq: Kid Omega was stomped by Rachel alone in Wolverine and The X-men, Northstar has nothing to stop telepaths, Magik could take down Kitty and Bobby easily but neither Rachel or Psylocke, Loa would also be beaten by Betsy or Rachel.

#23 Posted by RunawayAvenger (493 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden: Why isn't Psylocke a factor? Actually Hope is pretty weak at fighting to be honest, nothing compared to Betsy or Kitty.

#24 Edited by chiq (1966 posts) - - Show Bio

@runawayavenger: Kid Omega just has to run interference for a bit while Northstar can speed blitz before the telepaths react. Magik has psy shields and she can bfr and divide and conqure or send demons and can use hell fire and soul attacks vs Bobby, she can affect intangible beings like Kitty and has numerous ways to take out both Rachel and Betsy. Ilyana would be able to port Loa right on top of opponents as well.

#25 Posted by RunawayAvenger (493 posts) - - Show Bio

@chiq: I agree with the Magik situation, I'll have to think of a way around her. Quentin would be downed easily and wouldn't even be considered interference. Northstar wouldn't be able to speed blitz Kitty who could take him out. Loa wouldn't be able to stop anyone, she has no psychic protection and would downed. I guess if Magik were to attack them they would all team up against her, TK and Bobby's Ice army. I'm not too sure on Magik's feats, I know her powers but not seen her in battle much. I mean, TK could stop her combined with Iceman's army who could be a nuisance for a while allowing Kitty to surprise her and phase her into the ground.

#26 Posted by DarkRaiden (7340 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden: Why isn't Psylocke a factor? Actually Hope is pretty weak at fighting to be honest, nothing compared to Betsy or Kitty.

Psylocke's not strong enough from what I know of her. Only Rachel really matters. And it explicitly says Hope has mastered combat.

"Hope has learned to fight from Cable by observing him. Hope was further tutored in survival techniques, various hand-held firearms and blades, stealth, CPR, combat first-aid, warfare strategy, and some gymnastics."

Just saying.

#27 Posted by RunawayAvenger (493 posts) - - Show Bio

Psylocke is an Omega Level telepath. proof from Rick Remender due to Uncanny X-force.

Shadowcat: "Expert Martial Artist: Shadowcat possessed moderate expertise of the martial arts of the Japanese ninja and samurai. Shadowcat demonstrated great knowledge of ninja methods of combat when she was mentally possessed by the Ronin Ogun. With the possession over, Shadowcat forgot the knowledge of ninja techniques he gave her, but she retained the knowledge of Oriental methods of combat taught her by Wolverine."

Her fighting skill rating is 5/7

Psylocke: Master Martial Artist: Psylocke has been classified as a master martial artist, though the specific fighting arts she has mastered have never been revealed. Presumably, as a ninja, she is skilled in various Ninjutsu techniques such as Taijutsu and Kenpo. Even though she is known as a ninja and worked for The Handas one, her fighting skills and techniques far surpass those of the average Hand Ninja[30] or Crimson Dawn Undercloak[31]. Her skills have been said to rival those of a ninja grandmaster(10th Dan level black belt or above).[32] Psylocke has also received additional training from the Age of Apocalypse version of Sabretooth[33] and an alternative reality version of Ogun that vastly developed her skills in this area,[34] Psylocke is also very well versed in the use of all Ninja weapons, stealth methods, silent movement, infiltration, concealment, escape & evasion, covert methods, Ninja espionage, and Ninja acrobatics."

Psylocke is 6/7 in fighting skills

Hope's is 4/7.

#28 Posted by RunawayAvenger (493 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden: "Writer Rick Remender has confirmed that Psylocke is now an Omega Level telepath, on par with Jean Grey and Professor Xavier."

#29 Posted by DarkRaiden (7340 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden: "Writer Rick Remender has confirmed that Psylocke is now an Omega Level telepath, on par with Jean Grey and Professor Xavier."

That....that's new. And fighting skills IIRC 6 means she mastered many fighting styles while 4 means Hope mastered 1. So they're still comparable.

#30 Posted by RunawayAvenger (493 posts) - - Show Bio

That isn't new it occurred january 2012. Yes they are comparable, but Hope is clearly beat in H2H combat.

#31 Edited by Cyberzombie_Hatchetman (283 posts) - - Show Bio

Sunfire

Magneto

Magic

Scarlet Witch

#32 Posted by Backflip (2266 posts) - - Show Bio

X-Man (Shaman)

Is all I really need. But in compliance with the rules.

Magneto
Exodus
Franklin Richards.

We stomp all over your team.

#33 Posted by DWrathborne (316 posts) - - Show Bio

I dunno... Assuming we are limited to human mutants,

Karma (Xian Coy Manh)

Aurora (Jean Marie Beaubier)

Asylum (Henrique Gallante)

Genocide (William Rolfson)

#34 Posted by Veitha (3315 posts) - - Show Bio

Pre Avx versions of these characters:

- Emma Frost;

- Storm;

- Magik.

Beaten

- Exodus.

Online
#35 Posted by RunawayAvenger (493 posts) - - Show Bio

@dwrathborne: William is dead, Karma would be a problem yet I don't see Aurora or Asylum being a big threat and would most likely be stopped by a telepath.

#36 Posted by RunawayAvenger (493 posts) - - Show Bio

@veitha: You can't pre AvX them, Storm hasn't even changed since AvX so what's the point?

#37 Posted by DWrathborne (316 posts) - - Show Bio

@dwrathborne: William is dead, Karma would be a problem yet I don't see Aurora or Asylum being a big threat and would most likely be stopped by a telepath.

Huh. He wasn't listed as being dead in the article. Oh well. The others, well, I just kinda picked 'em cause they're nuts (and I knew nobody else would likely be using them). Telepaths tend to have problems dealing with insane minds. Plus, ya know, Aurora's whole light and speed thing and Asylum capable of BFRing everybody into the Dark Dimension. But thanks for the heads up.

#38 Edited by RunawayAvenger (493 posts) - - Show Bio

@dwrathborne: He was killed in Uncanny Avengers.

I can see where you are coming from with the whole speed blitzing from Aurora but how could she touch Shadowcat or stop an army of recreating icemen? Also if asylum were to teleport them into the Dark Dimension the Psylocke and Rachel could go into their astral forms and take the others out of my team and place them in a psychic barrier from the fears occurring from the Darkforce. As such utilising Rachel's chronoskimming they could send Kitty back in time to a couple of minutes before they were sent, and phase him into the ground. Therefore they could continue the battle with the other three.

#39 Edited by DWrathborne (316 posts) - - Show Bio

@dwrathborne: He was killed in Uncanny Avengers.

I can see where you are coming from with the whole speed blitzing from Aurora but how could she touch Shadowcat or stop an army of recreating icemen? Also if asylum were to teleport them into the Dark Dimension the Psylocke and Rachel could go into their astral forms and take the others out of my team and place them in a psychic barrier from the fears occurring from the Darkforce. As such utilising Rachel's chronoskimming they could send Kitty back in time to a couple of minutes before they were sent, and phase him into the ground. Therefore they could continue the battle with the other three.

Well, I see it as Karma controlling Iceman, Genocide providing a distraction for Aurora to take down Psylocke or Rachel (maybe both?) Asylum doing his thing to Shadowcat.

I don't know. Just throwing out the flypaper and seeing what sticks. :)

#40 Edited by RunawayAvenger (493 posts) - - Show Bio

@dwrathborne: You can't use Genocide, "They must be alive in current 616 continuity".

#42 Posted by DWrathborne (316 posts) - - Show Bio

@dwrathborne: You can't use Genocide, "They must be alive in current 616 continuity".

Then swap him out with Jamie Braddock. Last I heard, he's still kicking.

#43 Posted by kidman560 (7577 posts) - - Show Bio

@runawayavenger: ok got to be more specific on rules

my mutants

Deadpool

Jean Grey

Franklin Richards

Gambit

#44 Edited by RunawayAvenger (493 posts) - - Show Bio
#45 Posted by RunawayAvenger (493 posts) - - Show Bio

@kidman560: I am specific on rules, they have to be alive in 616 continuity. Also Deadpool isn't a mutant.

#46 Edited by kidman560 (7577 posts) - - Show Bio

@kidman560: I am specific on rules, they have to be alive in 616 continuity. Also Deadpool isn't a mutant.

really deadpool is who you are concerned with not Franklin Richards who could wipe your team out of existence. ok fine Replace Deadpool for X-23 Trigger Scent and boom your team dies

#47 Edited by JediXMan (30653 posts) - - Show Bio
  • Emma Frost
  • Kiden Nixon (her death took place in an alternate future; there's no evidence to suggest she's death in the present)
  • Fantomex
  • Franklin Richards
Moderator
#48 Edited by DWrathborne (316 posts) - - Show Bio
#49 Posted by RunawayAvenger (493 posts) - - Show Bio

@kidman560: I would rather you had a complete team before I get concerned from anyone else.

#50 Edited by RunawayAvenger (493 posts) - - Show Bio