how would you retcon superman how would you do it?

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#101 Posted by ComicStooge (9741 posts) - - Show Bio

@nerx said:

@comicstooge:

Alternate versions of him only , focusing on overman and ultraman along with another superman

America can do better, make Nazi league. Pretty tame, since history is fair game. America needs to cut away with its censors, they do have those things.

But where could you possibly go with the story after a few issues? A mini I could understand, but an on-going series? It would fail and quickly.

You're saying they should make a series portraying the Nazis, a group responsible for the genocide of millions, as HEROES? I'm sorry, but that's really, REALLY wrong. Germany, as a whole, is ashamed of it's past as Nazis.

Between this and you going on about how good and necessary rape in fiction was in the "What if Superman was female" thread, I can see there's no point in trying to convince you anything.

Not to mention we've majorly derailed this thread.

I'm out.

#102 Posted by SOG7dc (6713 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonny_anonymous: Name them for Thor silver surfer captain marvel sentry and hulk then

#103 Posted by Nerx (15088 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicstooge:

DCU is a big place, a very very big place .... 52 verses to explore

Yeah, it's not like they don't have racist comics or anything (check Wyatt Mann or Chick Tracts)

#104 Edited by Jonny_Anonymous (27451 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc said:

@jonny_anonymous: Name them for Thor silver surfer captain marvel sentry and hulk then

  • Thor: stab him with a Jormungand Tooth or destroy his hammer and he's dead
  • Silver Surfer: See Requiem
  • Captain Marvel: Cancer
  • Sentry: Void/insanity
  • Hulk: Calm him down
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#105 Edited by SOG7dc (6713 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc said:

@jonny_anonymous: Name them for Thor silver surfer captain marvel sentry and hulk then

  • Thor: stab him with a Jormungand Tooth or destroy his hammer and he's dead
  • Silver Surfer: See Requiem
  • Captain Marvel: Cancer
  • Sentry: Void/insanity
  • Hulk: Calm him down

ok so thors weaknesses are stabbing with something that is no doubt icredibly difficult to obtain and then stabbing someone with 1000s of years of combat experience or destroying something that is for all intents and purposes indestructible

silver surfers weakness is him just eventually dying

ive never read anything about him having cancer

him getting stronger is a weakness?

then why doesn't everybody just calm him down?

these are hardly weaknesses equivalent to that of superman. with superman youb pull out a roc and he's dead or you blast him with magic a few times and he's dead. nice try but no cigar

#106 Edited by Jonny_Anonymous (27451 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc said:

@jonny_anonymous said:

@sog7dc said:

@jonny_anonymous: Name them for Thor silver surfer captain marvel sentry and hulk then

  • Thor: stab him with a Jormungand Tooth or destroy his hammer and he's dead
  • Silver Surfer: See Requiem
  • Captain Marvel: Cancer
  • Sentry: Void/insanity
  • Hulk: Calm him down

ok so thors weaknesses are stabbing with something that is no doubt icredibly difficult to obtain and then stabbing someone with 1000s of years of combat experience or destroying something that is for all intents and purposes indestructible

silver surfers weakness is him just eventually dying

ive never read anything about him having cancer

him getting stronger is a weakness?

then why doesn't everybody just calm him down?

these are hardly weaknesses equivalent to that of superman. with superman youb pull out a roc and he's dead or you blast him with magic a few times and he's dead. nice try but no cigar

  • So rare that Doc Ock got hold of one, so experienced the Rhino stabbed him with it. The hammer isn't the least bit indestructible, it's been broken loads of times.
  • Silver Surfer doesn't need any more weaknesses as he's not a super hero
  • What? Are you kidding me? That's the most famous Captain Marvel story ever written
  • Him loosing his mind is his weakness
  • They do, it happens all the time.

your just hating because you seem to think more power = better character and that's just plain wrong

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#107 Posted by soldierofel (73 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't know weather I'd actually want to retconn him. But I wouldn't mind seeing him in else worlds story about him in world war two. Maybe at Man of steel movie version of his powers and the whole thing would be about him joining the army just because he wants to serve his country. Plus he doesn't actually want to use his powers to fight the war but he ends up using them to save people. I don't think it would be done but one can dream.

#108 Edited by SOG7dc (6713 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonny_anonymous said:

@sog7dc said:

@jonny_anonymous said:

@sog7dc said:

@jonny_anonymous: Name them for Thor silver surfer captain marvel sentry and hulk then

  • Thor: stab him with a Jormungand Tooth or destroy his hammer and he's dead
  • Silver Surfer: See Requiem
  • Captain Marvel: Cancer
  • Sentry: Void/insanity
  • Hulk: Calm him down

ok so thors weaknesses are stabbing with something that is no doubt icredibly difficult to obtain and then stabbing someone with 1000s of years of combat experience or destroying something that is for all intents and purposes indestructible

silver surfers weakness is him just eventually dying

ive never read anything about him having cancer

him getting stronger is a weakness?

then why doesn't everybody just calm him down?

these are hardly weaknesses equivalent to that of superman. with superman youb pull out a roc and he's dead or you blast him with magic a few times and he's dead. nice try but no cigar

  • So rare that Doc Ock got hold of one, so experienced the Rhino stabbed him with it. The hammer isn't the least bit indestructible, it's been broken loads of times.
  • Silver Surfer doesn't need any more weaknesses as he's not a super hero
  • What? Are you kidding me? That's the most famous Captain Marvel story ever written
  • Him loosing his mind is his weakness
  • They do, it happens all the time.

your just hating because you seem to think more power = better character and that's just plain wrong

1. that just seems like "PIS" how would dock ock be able to get a hold of something like that

2.how is he not a super hero? and that wasn't even a weakness that was just im dying

3. im new to comics and I don't really care for CM as I see him as a superman ripoff. and how would cancer even qualify as a weakness "oh no my tumor is throbbing in the midst of battle!"

4. so him losing his mind then becoming stronger is a weakness? no its not. im talking Achilles heel here. kryptonite is a weakness going crazy is an inconvenience

5. like I said before im new to comics but if this is the case why not calm down WWhulk or Worldbreaker?

and im not hating this is no doubt a subjective argument im making but that doesn't make me wrong. its just my opinion. and I don't think "more power= better character" but as a fan I do want my favorite top tier character to be on equal footing with the others. as a superman fan it upsets me that my favorite character has so many stupid weaknesses while other characters in his power bracket have no real weaknesses.

#109 Posted by ComicStooge (9741 posts) - - Show Bio

@nerx said:

@comicstooge:

DCU is a big place, a very very big place .... 52 verses to explore

Yeah, it's not like they don't have racist comics or anything (check Wyatt Mann or Chick Tracts)

And it shouldn't be wasted on stories about Super-Nazis.

You're criticizing the whole industry based on the actions of two biggots?

And as terrible as Wyatt Mann, glorifying a group who slaughtered millions of people based on race and trying to portray them as heroes "who fight for the human race" is almost as bad, if not just as bad.

#110 Posted by Nerx (15088 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicstooge:

It would not be 'wasted', I can see moore writing a good Nazi protagonist

Nope, just saying to break out from their moral box a bit

Not really, they just made fun of history as people die everyday. Mongols killed more before they had poison gas and we love the barbars.

#111 Posted by ComicStooge (9741 posts) - - Show Bio

@nerx said:

@comicstooge:

It would not be 'wasted', I can see moore writing a good Nazi protagonist

Nope, just saying to break out from their moral box a bit

Not really, they just made fun of history as people die everyday. Mongols killed more before they had poison gas and we love the barbars.

Why would Alan Moore want to write about Nazis? Also, what would this Nazi Protagonist do? Commit mass genocide for a few issues then get his face smashed in by the Justice League, then end up in the Phantom Zone for all eternity?

Their "moral box" is fine as it is. The 90's was terrible enough. Not to mention what I read of Wyatt Mann and Chick Tracts was completely garbage.

#112 Posted by Nerx (15088 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicstooge:

A writer of his caliber should be able to do it. Like any other protagonist, spread and conquer then enact their version of justice. NO. He will not get smashed by the league, or end in the phantom zone. That would be lame and predictable.

Garbage with a fanbase.

#113 Posted by ComicStooge (9741 posts) - - Show Bio

@nerx said:

@comicstooge:

A writer of his caliber should be able to do it. Like any other protagonist, spread and conquer then enact their version of justice. NO. He will not get smashed by the league, or end in the phantom zone. That would be lame and predictable.

Garbage with a fanbase.

No writer would WANT to do it. Unless you're Frank Millar or something. What Justice? The justice to commit mass genocide on millions of innocent people just based on the fact they're of a certain ethnic background? What justice is there in that?

And that's logically what would happen, the Justice League wouldn't sit back and let Nazi-man do whatever he wanted.

A lot of garbage has a fanbase. Twilight, 50 Shades of Grey, One Direction etc, etc. That doesn't make it good.

#114 Posted by Nerx (15088 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicstooge:

You don't know that, its just useless per pressure to keep them moral. Subjective racial justice, in their perspective and people always side with the victim without looking both ways.

Its not like they went out and systematically stop all horrors done on all alternate earths, nor did the heroes even stop their own histories.

Says any fandom to any other fandom

#115 Posted by ComicStooge (9741 posts) - - Show Bio

@nerx said:

@comicstooge:

You don't know that, its just useless per pressure to keep them moral. Subjective racial justice, in their perspective and people always side with the victim without looking both ways.

Its not like they went out and systematically stop all horrors done on all alternate earths, nor did the heroes even stop their own histories.

Says any fandom to any other fandom

This seems appropriate:

#116 Posted by Nerx (15088 posts) - - Show Bio
#117 Posted by SOG7dc (6713 posts) - - Show Bio

@nerx said:

@sog7dc: did it do anything remotely close to the old omega beams?

did it curve

did it cause pain

did it annihilate

did it BFR?

just re-read it. he shot them at superman then flash tried to help superman dodge them. then flash tried to run away. the beams split up and one chased supes and one chased Flash. and they did a ton of curving throughout metropolis around buildings and everything. flash dodged his but supes got hit in the back. it nocked him out for a few minutes but didn't kill him.

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