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#1  Edited By symbiotic

"Can I just keep pretending to be your son?"

"You are my son"

That was one of my favorite emotional scenes. The other was "you think you can threaten my mother" which was a great emotional and action scene.

The faora fight was my favorite action scene.

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@veshark said:

Just two things to add:

I read one article that suggested that Jonathan Kent was modernized as well, into a more postmodern version of the character, who feared for his son's safety. Where it wasn't in the old days where there was right and wrong, black and white, and that parents of the modern and more complex world would definitely want to protect their son from a hostile Earth. Especially when their son is really different. I'm not saying I agree with this interpretation, but it certainly does make Pa Kent a lot more explainable, and fits the whole 'grounded' vibe the movie goes with.

Also, why is everyone whining about the natural birth scene? It's just symbolism - Kal-El represents a new, free, Kryptonian who will not be bound by the failures of the old, dying Krypton, instead being able to choose his own life in a new Earth. They practically drill this part into your head right from the beginning, they never 'abandoned' the concept.

I think they abandoned the concept in the fact that they do drill it into your head from the begining, but the payoff isn't there. It's sort of the opposite problem from Zod flying. They don't really build that up as an advantage for Superman, where Zod flying is an "oh no" moment. It was more like "oh yeah, you haven't been flying this whole time". The birth scene seemed odd, but then it made more sense when they added significance to it with the "first natural birth" thing. It seemed like they were setting up a major point, but it didn't really seem to come up again.

I think Johnathan Kent was under utilized. I can understand the aspect of protecting your son, but his death wasn't as powerful as it could have been. I think he should have focused more on it being Clarks choice about whether to save people or not and less about protecting his son.

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I honestly didn't even realize that Zod hadn't been flying before the scene where he revealed he could fly. In hindsight the climbing up the wall part was pretty obvious, but not being able to fly didn't seem like a huge disadvantage for Zod.

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I liked the movie, but there were a few scenes that didn't do it for me. I didn't pick up on some of the things that you did, but the Jonathan Kent death scene was one of the moments that didn't do it for me. It wasn't emotionally powerful at all.

I also didn't particularly care for the "imagine an island" scene either.

Starting the movie with childbirth was awkward but after they started setting up the "first natural child birth" stuff it made more sense.... until they abandoned that.

The entire scene on Krypton at the start of the movie was a little wierd. I loved the fight scenes and the "threaten my mother" scene was pretty awesome as well as the fight with Faora.

My wife made the comment that she thought Superman Returns was better. I disagree, but I liked superman returns pretty well. She also made the comment that we are spoiled by all of the good superhero movies that have been coming out lately.

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@PunyParker: Bendis has already come out and said the Ultimate universe is not going away. This was a direct response to the rumor. I wonder how far out a Spider-Men follow up will be. It's probably next year at the earliest. I'm ready now though!

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#7  Edited By symbiotic

616 Peter (not Spock), Miles, and Miguel. Maybe bring in Max Borne if they want to develop him a bit more. If they can't get 616 peter because of the Inferior SM stuff, then an alternate reality Peter would be fine. Hobgoblin 2211 was mucking with different realities and could serve as a good catalyst to bring the Spider-Men together. I hope they do a follow up to Shattered dimensions along the same lines as well. I still love that game!

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@DMXN said:

Ultimate is not bad if you see it as a seperate cartoon. It has little in common with comics, and if you ignore it, then it is an alright cartoon.

Exactly. It's a different take, but I think it works well for a cartoon. Breaking the 4th wall doesn't bother me in a cartoon like it would in a comic book. All of the cartoons have been new takes on the comic book to my knowledge. Some stay closer to the original material than others, but they all take liberties. This one takes a lot more than most.

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@PunyParker: Actually I was referring to the clip you posted titled Spectacular Spiderman season 2 episode 10. Where you said Genius. I'm not as much of a fan of EMH either.

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@PunyParker: honestly I like the new one better than Spectacular based on that clip. That's the first episode I've seen of spectacular though.