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There should be others, especially if Kashimo is involved.

How do you react to a black hole bruv?

Kaido hitting harder than a juubidama casually might be wack but feats above BM Minato exist Bajrang gun being the most blatant.

If I recall, JJK should have sub rel - relativistic scaling, which makes them not too inferior speed wise

@uchihaghost:

Lol how is it the samething?? In one scenario you

- were given an order not to fight a certain individual, that means your will for the fight does not matter, it is not upto you to fight, you have given orders not to, that has nothing to do with your will and obeying orders is not someone being weak willed like at all.

Why where they asked to flee??? Because they had no chance of winning. It's the same thing. I'll repeat running away when you have 0 chance of winning is actually the wise thing to do.

If you're looking for an entire division stupidly rushing in and getting slaughtered despite knowing they stand no chance. That also exists. That's what happened when the femritters wiped out Kenpachi squad members as they tried to save him

- were supposed to protect sereiti, but when they saw their comrades dying, they turned tail, that is the example of losing your will in a fight, all over just seeing your comrades dying

Bleach characters are mentally weak my guy.

That's a silly generalization. Throughout that war most shinigamis fought when they were being murdered by the hundreds each minute. Even in that same sceny you can see a shinigami standing up and deciding to fight despite having zero chances of winning.

So how are you going ahead and making a generalization like that . Make it make sense. Your logic isn't making sense because the ones caught by As Nodt are the "strong willed ones" according to you that decided to face As Nodt.

I already gave you a feat for sasuke uchiha resisting orochimaru's bloodlust which in his earlier days almost died against zabuza's if not for kakashi being there, but in the forest of death he was able to resist it.

Again this is FOD sasuke who in that same fight resisted killer intent striking fear in them which earlier on in the series he almost died to.

These aren't even Genjutsu feat. And more importantly it didn't kill anyone. So you haven't even shown the required scan. This is just killing intent/aura.

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So basically it's spiritual pressure....except spiritual pressure does have the feats. The aura from spiritual pressure can and will kill a person and I don't need to tell you that the fear is something on a ridiculously different level from plane old reiatsu crush.

Cap... it literally resisted the fear ON PANEL, like both byakuya and rukia used will power to resist it to a degree, this argument is a no brainer, he even said this on panel that one can resist the fear to a degree with will power and experience in the same scan you posted, he just could not completely resist it, if thats what you mean i will agree to an extent.

Can you actually read the scans. He said that fear that has a cause can be resisted easily through experience and willpower. However he manipulates fear with no root cause and that True fear cannot be resisted with willpower alone.

He commends Byakuya for being extra ordinary and resisting fear to that degree with willpower alone even if he is slowly succumbing to it either way.

I meant he didn't use head pops and just bulldozed through. Should have phrased it better though

@uchihaghost:

byakuya was also able to hurt himself to break the control, something again even kid shikamaru could do after being paralysed by tayuya, naruto has healing so he can use his chakra avatar to inflict self harm and break amor,

Can you ever stop being a block head?? Byakuya never broke amor by shocking himself awake with pain like shikamaru did. Byakuya literally cut his own tendons making it physically impossible for him to move. He never broke amor with self harm. Stop with the misinformation and actually read the series you debate please.

@mcu-defender333:

Toss up?. Saturn didn't use head pops to get past people even when desperate

So VERY VERY likely an Itachi glance is sealing the deal first.

@uchihaghost:

Lethality of the fear because it killed some weak willed fodders?? If they actually have a stronger mind they wouldn't have died wouldn't you agree? But these are the same people running away from a fight cuz they saw an enemy that was soloing them, can't be the fodders in naruto.

Sure can't be fodders in fodder in Naruto.. it's not like an entire village was running away from someone who could solo them.. it's not like that's the wise thing to do when you have 0 chance of winning and has 0 to do with willpower and more to do with decision making and wisdom.

Just because the fear is slightly stronger than the d rank genjutsu it does not make it more lethal, its not killing any relevant bleach character by itself, it can be resisted with will power and experience as per stated, something regular sharingan genjutsu shits on,

I think you're mistaken.. the verbatim statement was it CAN'T be resisted by regular willpower. Can you actually settle down and read through the scans?

For Byakuya to battle something like that means his willpower alone, means his willpower was extraordinary in this case.

someone like ohnoki was dropped despite his immense will power, so potency wise sharingan genjutsu > the fear > d rank genjutsu, all you proved to me is that it can kill some fodders with weak will.

I don't have a have a problem with Oonoki having immense willpower.i need feats of Oonoki willpower resisting TP that can cause death in regular people or hell weak willed people as you claim. Show me Genjutsu can even yeet weak willed ppl, not that the fodder shinigami are even weak willed considering they're warrior battling people.

If you think the fear isn't lethal then bring Genjutsu on fear's potency. If not, I'll repeat, in terms of lethality.....fear clears every Genjutsu in the verse apart from Tsukiyomi.