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considering nami survived the deep sea pressure when the ship crashed, I'd say insane logic.

Yep. luffy hasn't taken anything remotely on that level.

(and in the latest chapter we saw that you can touch the black ooze with the power of the sage) with a physical attack which is pracitally madaras kyptonite, iirc guy never made contact withe the ooze himself

what matters is guy had the force to break through it.

the shield taking a lot of strong and powerful ninjtusu doesnt really matter since it can neutralize them

Correction: Strong and powerful senjutsu. Including the four bijuu bombs from ten tails.

edit: iam not saying that luffy leaves the battle completely unharmed but imo Guy cant take him out before he dies

On the countray, luffy hasn't taken anything saying this match will be more than a one shot.

@anime2114:

What are you talking about? Do you realize how you sound right now?

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1. Eneru was stated to be lightning multiple times in the series. Eneru was constantly referenced for his speed. Eneru traveled around the entire Island multiple times. Nami clarified using SCIENCE given by Oda that he used real lightning. Oda says Logia's are natural an logia means Natural element. How could you come to a different conclusion then him being lightning speed?

Considering his lightening is unable to melt rubber and reacted to by peak humans, perhaps?

science says hello.

2. Luffy kicked a lightning bolt.

cool.

Average Low end lightning is Mach 130-180+.

says who? Every character who reacts to lightening isn't mach 130, that'll make more than half the street levellers as fast.

If we can't use feats like that and can only use them when it's speed is specifically stated, then Gohan is Mach 2

that goes against the speeds given in the manga already.

and Yusuke can't outrun a truck.

...considering he starts at human speeds?

And it's not a "calc"

It's certainly not anything credible.

- Average low end lightning is Mach 130-180+

wasn't given by the author. Fail.

- Luffy kicked a close range lightning bolt that came from a cloud

okay.

- That's a Mach 130-180+ feat.

fail.

3. He wasn't "teleporting around" He teleported in front of Sanji, Doflamingo redirected his rope into Dressrosa, Law, still in front of Sanji made no notable decrease in height. Law can't fly and Ceasar Clown had Sea Prism Stone handcuffs on. The scene was very simple.

how exactly did you get that? sanji wasn't flying either. Absence of relative motion =/= absence of absolute motion..

pain.

@anime2114:

1. Dude come on. Look at it logically. Oda obviously intense Eneru to move at Lightning Speed.

...says you.

You can bring up as much science/gag feats/aim as you want, but whatever Oda gets to decide the speed and power of his characters.

Oda hasn't said anything about mach triple digits anywhere. It's nonsense made up by random internet fan, NOT approved by oda.

I'm not the one using science, you're the one who started it. 'so luffy kicked lightening, and that makes his reactions mach 130 at low end because oda said logia are natural'.

He could make them FTL Planet busters next chapter if he wanted and we'd have to deal with it.

Yes, if he shows it, sure. If a fan calcs it, nope.

2. What are you talkin about? Just look at page.

- Dolmingo attacks Sanji and Law teleports between them:

http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab250/goku111397/One%20Piece/1F9C7A2E-4EA1-463E-941F-77B1233C0161_zpsrszxgopw.png

- Doflamingo redirects his attack which reaches back into Dressrosa and cuts a building in half:

http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab250/goku111397/One%20Piece/B490290C-6CE4-4BB7-874B-97CF7D166E9B_zpsjtottfwc.png

- Law is clearly shown to have not fallen much at all:

http://i868.photobucket.com/albums/ab250/goku111397/One%20Piece/8A0B58DF-0DC9-464F-B4DD-47CCBB16FE6B_zpsgput4vfa.png

That is the catch. There is no background here. how did you get 'law clearly hasn't fallen much at all', specially considering he's teleporting around?

What is the distance travelled? how much is the exact time? Both of them are completely assumed..

...Mxy solos.

The hyped 'omnipotence' only gets them as far as odin.

@anime2114:

1. In most cases of fiction you would disregard things like magic lightning, lasers being light speed ect.

The cases that don't suit your theory, apparently.

However when the author himself states somthing, as well as making it obvious in the series, then you go by that.

Yes, because a kick at the speed of light sent the person flying at relativistic speeds, or at least over escape velocity.. And rubber became conducting at 30000 v and melted in place, like natural world... oh wait. Cherry-picking facts to suit your theory is no way to go.

Oda knows more about his own series then either of us.

Agreed. And oda didn't say anything about mach triple digits. It's a fan-calc.

And come on, saying Eneru isn't Lightning speed is looking to deep into things. It's obvious from Oda's interviews, to statements from the manga itself, as well as him teleporting around the Island. There were multiple times when his speed was referenced and someone would say something like "He's lightning itself".

The same speed that was reacted by peak humans. Whatever speed oda had in mind while writing the manga, it's his own. Bringing in real world stats for it is completely useless. If he actually wants to show speed, he can, (and does) give time-frame.

2. Law teleported in front of Sanji who was being held in mid air by Doffy's string. Doffy then redirected his attack. It traveled all the way back inside Dressrosa and cut a building in half. Back to the current scene Law had barely fallen at all. His rope moving that far in the time it took Law to fall at most a few inches is a Mach 100+ feat.

Again, how exactly did you get that? background? pixel scaling? what?

@tohoma: Well, naruto animation always had weird moments. Pain fight just highlighted them:

@anime2114:

1. Dude, this isn't real life. It's a fictional story. It doesn't have to follow the rules of the real world. Oda stated that Logias are natural. End of story.

....exactly.

You're selectively using scientific properties just so they fit your purpose, when oda himself clearly doesn't use natural properties of elements as they are. It's fiction.

2. Law teleports in front of Sanji, Doflamingo's rope reaches all the way back into Dressrosa and cuts building in half. They then show Law again and he didn't make a noticeable decline in height.

'noticable decline in height' with respect to what?

Are you blind?

not really. that question is about as logical as the fan calcs you use...

3. Lol, now you're nitpicking the way I say things. By that I meant its a legit Mach 100+ feat. Meaning the feat is legit, and it's over Mach 100.

No, I meant the feat being 'over mach 100' is stupid to begin with. not your way of speaking.