your thoughts on the F.S.U. student hitting the woman

Also as of now the woman is not facing any charges

Its really sad that everyone who is pointing out that the 6-3 230lb fb player started the violence when he forcefully grabbed her and refused to let go is being called a sjw. He a. shouldn't have been at the bar in the first place since he isn't 21 yet b. cut in line and accidently ran into her in the process of cutting c. laid his hands on her before she had touched him d. responded to her half hearted punch to have him release her by striking her with approx 50x the force and landing the punch directly on her face. e. the blame lies with him for all of the above. f. Had likely already been drinking which is also against the law and impaired his judgement to control himself.

A man should never hit a woman.

http://injury.findlaw.com/torts-and-personal-injuries/elements-of-assault.html

I think I would do more than fine actually. You can skew the wording in your favor all you want, the courts won't care. Law is Law.

But again, his response was disproportionate and excessive force changes a by the book self defense situation into a crime itself. They should both be charged imo.

They're social justice warriors because they're ignoring the law in favor of one party just because that party fits their criteria of "victimized" people lol

@buttersdaman000: Now you are just making up your own definition of what a sjw is. Saying the blame lies mostly with the fb player for what happened has absolutely nothing to do with saying women are always the victim or someone being a sjw. He

a. shouldn't have been at the bar in the first place since he isn't 21 yet(even if he is allowed inside he isn't allowed at the bar and most likely ordering alcohol since he felt the need to cut in line to get to a bartender) b. cut in line and accidently ran into her in the process c. laid his hands on her before she had touched him and refused to let go d. responded to her half hearted punch to have him release her by striking her with approx 50x the force and landing the punch directly on her face. e. the blame lies with him for all of the above. f. Had likely already been drinking which is also against the law and impaired his judgement.

to quote from my post above.

I actually agree with the punishment. He did grab her hand first which led to the woman throwing the first punch, and one might argue it was in self defense. The same can be said for Johnson. However the punch she threw seemed like mere child's play compared to the one she recieved by Johnson, which was a little too much.

Lol no i'm not

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=social+justice+warrior

They're saying that the football player shoulders all the blame because he hit a woman, while actively ignoring the fact that the woman was at fault first.

1. Besides the fact that his age is irrelevant, as long as you're 18, you can enter a bar. If you're trying to make a point about him being at the actual bar itself, prove to me he wasn't trying to get water. But again, his age is irrelevant.

2. It's a bar. A crowded bar at that. Any person in that bar accepts the risk of being bumped into and squeezed around. It's an unwritten rule. However, no one accepts b*tchy patrons elbowing, and pushing people out of the way as this girl did. She was at fault, not him.

3. She threatened him.......he had every right to grab her hand :/

4. Yeah, he's at fault there but only because he clearly used excessive force

5. Blame lies with both of them. Stop making excuses for her.

6. Really? Irrelevant to the video but i'd like some proof.

Shocker!! Oh, wait...not really.

Really? I thought men hitting women was good{sarcasm}.

@dum529001: You know how many morons say it's equality?

She's lucky he only hit her once

I hate women like that. The f*ck are you actually going to do? Don't raise your fist and expect a total stranger to not restrain you when you're threatening them. She assaulted him and he defended himself and left, he shouldn't be in any trouble.

What if 3 women tried to murder you? lets see if you abide by your rules then.

Btw I said 3 women because if I said 1 you'd say "oh, i'd just restrain her" like you have before.

@thenaughtytitan: Do you honestly think trying to fight 3 women with knifes is a good idea?

Yup, I saw someone talking about excessive force LOL, he defended himself and left... no excessive force.

Did I ever say they had knives? Lets say 2 women, actually how about 1. Actually how about 1 in a wheelchair, you and me both know most healthy women would give you a beating.

No, there was excessive force....Self-Defense includes conditions of proportional response...his punch was definitely unwarranted given the weak punch she threw. A punch from someone his size could even kill/seriously harm a man if it connects right so he definitely would've been better off slapping/shoving her ass imo. And before you say anything about the dangers of her punch, true, a woman can hurt a man just as bad if the punch connects right, but that's obviously not what happened :/

Looked like he was trying to get to the bar (even tho he is only 19) and was rubbing against her to do so(inadvertently probably)which is kinda rude. But she got hostile and aggresive pretty quick. From what i saw he was the first to make physical contact so technically he assaulted her first.

I disagree. A weak punch from a slightly built woman is in no way comparable to a strong punch from an athletic male. If he were responding with proportionate force, I'd defend him. If she had posed some serious bodily threat, I'd defend him. However, she was no serious threat and he hit her way harder than she hit him. That's excessive force.

She did start the physical altercation by shoving him with her arm, however, so they are both at fault as far as I'm concerned.

Honestly it isn't excessive force IMO but it could be in court. But it isn't excessive force for the reasons you're saying. You shouldn't be comparing the punch she threw to his, that isn't self defense. A proportional response isn't giving back what you take, it's using the proper amount of force to stop the attack and honestly he could have either left or pushed her but the punch could be deemed excessive.

@buttersdaman000: That isn't what happened. If that's how you want to view things then do so but he instigated nearly everything that happened including using overwhelming force when all that was required was releasing her hand and going to the back of the line which is where he should have been(except for the fact that its illegal for him to even be trying to order alcohol at a bar in the first place). She isn't completely blameless but he did not need to punch her out in order to diffuse the situation which he mostly caused in the first place. He just had to prove how big and bad he is by punching her out when all she was trying to do was get him away from her. We can let the courts decide what exactly he is guilty of and what his punishment should be. Generally when you find yourself being arrested and the other person has no charges against them its because you or whoever is in the wrong.

Already addressed this

Honestly it isn't excessive force IMO but it could be in court. But it isn't excessive force for the reasons you're saying. You shouldn't be comparing the punch she threw to his, that isn't self defense. A proportional response isn't giving back what you take, it's using the proper amount of force to stop the attack and honestly he could have either left or pushed her but the punch could be deemed excessive.

She threatened assault which warranted him stopping her from attacking him (the arm grab) so no, she started it.

@voicesinmyhead:

Actually, she was shoving him back with her left arm before he grabbed her. I missed it the first few times I watched too.

A proportional amount is basically just that actually. Yes, you are allowed to use the proper amount of force to stop an attack but it also must be proportional to the force you're being attacked with. It may be self defense in a general definition, but you can't stab someone in the shoulder for punching you in the face and that's essentially what he did here. He knows that punch didn't hurt him that much, so if he wanted to stop the attack properly, all he had to do is shove/slap or push her face away. He didn't have to deck her.

This.

You slap my forearm, I slam your head against a concrete wall. I can be a tiny adult and you a hulking monster, but it still puts me in the wrong.

I suspect there is something emotionally and mentally wrong with this young man. His response was demonstrably over the top and the video is evidence of this. As for her physically assaulting him, that can be argued in court as there is context missing here that witnesses can hopefully clear up.

The way you were talking about it was basically an eye for an eye and proportional response first and foremost is doing what you need to do to get out of the situation and all he needed to do was walk away. The proportional response isn't matching what your attacker did exactly it's responding to what they did in the proper way to get out of the situation. Though if he did respond to it in an eye for an eye manner he wouldn't get charged with excessive force.

He didn't have to deck her but it was satisfying to watch, was it not? if he didn't she would just continue to act that way in life... he did her a favor IMO.

Both of your analogies were far more severe than what happened in the video. Although it's disproportionate by most peoples standards I feel it was the correct amount of force to teach her a lesson. She won't be acting like that ever again. The guy did go too far but was it not satisfying to watch? Was for me :D

@thenaughtytitan: You are off base here. He did her a favour? Seriously? Pull back. You need some time to think this through.

Will she ever put herself in that position again? Nope...

Should have hit her harder and then broke both of her arms, that would teach her a lesson.

@thenaughtytitan: Your opinion is garbage to me on this. Our conversation is over.

That last part of my comment was purposefully obvious, too EZ to troll lola, step your game up.

@thenaughtytitan: He was the first one to make physical contact.... So no he "started it". Also it looks like she told him the contact was unwanted before she raised her fist in the video at 0:07. Granted there is no audio so one can't say for certain. Guy shouldn't have tried to squeeze into a spot where there was no space. I will say women nowadays are WAY to comfortable threatening violence against men.

I grew up watching my mother beat on men, so I don't really have that whole "Never hit a lady" bullshit rattling around in my head. Sure she hit first, but he made physical contact first by grabbing her. I can only judge by what I can see, but I think I'm siding with whats-her-face.

I couldn't have hit her like that but she deserved it. Women seriously need to stop getting free passes on hitting men. Sure women are extremely weak, overly emotional, fragile and whiney but if you want to attack someone don't be suprised when you get shown you are not equal in that department. Stay in your paygrade.

He accidentally bumped into her and she threatened him, which is my point. He was allowed to restrain her because she was threatening to harm him.

@thenaughtytitan: God damn it. Why you have to prove what a bitch I can be? (raises fist...)

@thenaughtytitan: He continued "accidentally bumping" into her after she said something to him at 0:07... Guy continued trying to manhandle his way into a place where there was no space.

That doesn't mean she's allowed to threaten him.

@jayc1324: But none of this woulda happened had she not punched him in the first place.

All this started with an elbow and whatever was said between the 2. I bet she won't hit a man again lol.

@thenaughtytitan: I hope I see you hit a girl because afterwards I will break both of your arms.

The world isn't black and white.

Welp I was walking down the street and I punched some little toddler on her bike, where were you?

Nah.

lmao!

What's with FSU quarterbacks? Kick the POS off the team, and let Auburn pick him. F*ck Auburn.

This.

*le sigh*

Here we go with this "never hit a girl" hogwash.

He's not joking.

The legal definition of assault is as follows....

"With the intent to cause physical injury, making another person reasonably apprehend an imminent harmful or offensive contact."

Threatening someone and making gestures to indicate intent to harm is assault. Actually striking someone is battery.