This whole batman "Prep time" needs to change

Lmao so butt hurt, did batman beat up your favourite character?

@drfate: I was just saying that if I have time to prepare and he doesn't.. that means he would have no knowledge of the fight beforehand. because any knowledge of anything retaining to the fight would give him prep time as well. So it all comes down to a surprise attack and how well he can defend himself on the spot.

Id have 3 days to surprise attack. All I have to do is find him and possibly stalk him. Then I will run him over or shoot him. The finding part is the only tricky part because after three days he MUST have knowledge of the fight. If he doesn't then that will optionally give me more prep time than what I said before. Use your batmagination.

without prep almost nobody would use him in battles, most of the time the theads are ok

there are people batman can not beat with prep or 1000 anti-sprays

Such an angry pathetic little man who's not smart enough to know where this thread should be put and is do angry at a comic character he has to resort to bad language. Where's the mods anyway?

@xziliraet: I still think you would die. Unless you already have a very good training in fight, shooting etc

More butt hurt people who feels as if their opinion matters lol stay butt hurt guys

No it doesn't..

@wbr17: did you not read what I said before? How would I lose when I have the elements of surprise?

Meanwhile...

Yes. Do you know how to shoot or fight better than someone that's a pro at this? Can you kill someone? Can you be stealthier than someone that works being stealth?

I may be in love with this post..

Unlimited resources means he could cover the guy's house or car in explosives and just wait for him to come home

This is the dumbest thread on vine besides the one where the guy said quick silver and flash fights are draws lol

I like Batman in his own book - he is without a doubt one of the most psychology complex and interesting heroes in American comics, a genius, but also a tragic figure; and you can really ask, if he done more good or bad, considering that he inspired a lot of Gotham's supervillains - before his time, Gotham was ruled by mobsters, they were at least predictable and rational, people like the Joker and others are not... So, yes he is deep and interesting character, hoever he only works when he is fighting against aforementioned mobsters, serial killers, terrorists etc, when he is somewhat "dark, gritty and realistic". That's why I think Paul's Dini "The animated series" worked - author didn't wanted ghost stories or any supernatural elements, same can be said about Nolan's movies.

But outside his own comic, Batman is just a walking plot device, and he only wins because he have thick plot armour; and he always literally wears it, whenever he fights Superman; that's a little joke that authors use: Batman's armours symbolise plot armour. :) Seriously, he is not Tony Stark, if he just could construct advanced mech suite like Iron Man's armour, then why he would be jumping from rooftops, just in glorified halloween costume and try to punch criminals in the face with his bare fists? If he have such gagates, then why storylines like "Knightfall", ever happened? That's the point; in the end of the day, Batman is just a human, he doesn't belong in DC Universe, at least not amongst biggest super-duper-heroes. Because JLA Batman is like this:

@wbr17: lmao he would have NO knowledge of there ever being a "fight" until I initiate it or if my "prep time" is over. That is the problem with giving one side "prep time". I could literally just walk behind him the day of or during my prep time and and shoot him in the back of the head. Common sense bro.

"I was just saying that if I have time to prepare and he doesn't.. that means he would have no knowledge of the fight beforehand. because any knowledge of anything retaining to the fight would give him prep time as well. So it all comes down to a surprise attack and how well he can defend himself on the spot.

Id have 3 days to surprise attack. All I have to do is find him and possibly stalk him. Then I will run him over or shoot him. The finding part is the only tricky part because after three days he MUST have knowledge of the fight. If he doesn't then that will optionally give me more prep time than what I said before. Use your batmagination." #whatisaidbefore

Did you really care so much about it that you had to make a thread?

I agree, he is too OP with prep.

1'000'000 Galacti with a 1'000 years of prep and all their resources against Batman with 5 minutes and what's in the broom closet enter the arena and only 1 man will be walking out.

@picard: Lol that picture.

I wouldn't consider him a walking plot device outside his own comic, especially considering how he is written in the new 52. The only two big things he done so far is the JLA Buster and the HellBat. But I can see where your coming from with some of the stories he has been involved in.

it's a comic. really batman shouldn't be able to beat people like superman or green lantern with a million years of prep. kryptonite shouldn't work because all supes has to do is scan for it or laser eye bats from across the globe. however, for the plot they always make supes or whoever fights bats forger their powers. also, a lot of bats plans depend on characters acting a specific way. bats has a gun that the flash can't vibrate through. all the flash really has to do is ko bats before bruce can even THINK about pulling the trigger. we have to take bats with a nod and a wink. we know bats should't even dream about beating clark or dianna, but we accept it for the sake of comic books.

No what makes him a ONE OF (NOT THE BUT ONE OF) the worst as that people say what you said and it's not even remotely true. Wayne never wanted for anything outside of the love a his parents and justice. He is what happens when you have BILLIONS to your name, a father that created something that will keep bringing you billions and the will to put their mind to something. Without those billion, you wouldn't not have batman. He'd be a lost orphan. Another statistic. No great colleges. No great Teachers. No great skills. Just a pissed off kid with no family. How people get what you said from his story is beyond me.

Everything I said about Batman is completely true, you clearly don't know or understand Batman's character by your statement. He does in fact represent the idea of what a person can achieve through hard work and determination. Batman is the product of determination not money if he didn't have money he would still be the Batman he is today, because he would still be driven to bring justice to all those who oppose it. And that would mean it would take a little longer but he would become Batman. People come to the conclusion of what I said because they understand Batman's character while you don't. He more than money he is disciplined and driven and if you can't see that you clearly don't understand what makes Batman Batman. And again just because he is not the character for you doesn't make him a terrible character and nothing you said proves he is a terrible character.

All possible. Yet, Batman and his comics have longs been the subject of psychological debate and analysis. Now, obviously, they are in a fictional world. Yet, this grown man, that constantly allies himself with children in his effort to fight against psychos and monsters raises some questions. He's a billionaire. He could have bettered any and all of their lives by writing a check 100,000 and getting them karate classes. Given that it's never been written as canon, he's not a pedophile. But his behavior does raise questions.

There is no possibility show me where exactly does his actions suggest he is a pedophile (no out of context scans). Again this assertion is from Fredrick Werthum the guy who hated comics and suggested that Wonder Woman was a lesbian because of her feminism and Superman was Un American, which these have all been dis proven especially Batman's pedophile assertions. The only way a person holds on to this is to tear down Batman or is taking everything way out of context. So there is no questions raised none what so ever unless again you want to take everything out of context (But if you do that a lot of Superheroes would be something their not).

Didn't know who that guy was until right new. Seems like I'll research him.

Here he is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fredric_Wertham

His Book: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seduction_of_the_Innocent

And again his assertions are dis proven

Yes it is and PIS aside, yes he does.

No it is not as bad as your making it out to be, you are looking at the die hard Fanboys and Trolls and applying their actions and beliefs to the whole fandom of Batman and Batman himself. Tons of Batman Fans don't even blow his prep out of proportion.

And again Batman doesn't lose to 90% of characters considering he is a very skilled individual and his skill has nothing to do with PIS. You may see Batman as an individual who needs prep, but truth is he doesn't need it in order to fight a majority of characters (minus Power houses, magicians, and mid-tier characters). Wither he would win or not is dependent on who he if facing.

No they wouldn't be. He needs prep to even deal with people with Powers. Most characters have them. Given them equal prep to him would only further tip the scale against him.

I guess the only thing I can say he is "Yeah-huh!"

Yes they would be on even grounds (depending on who you using). Powers doesn't always mean you automatically win, since Batman like many other street levelers have faired well against enemies with powers. Giving equal time to both of them would not automatically tip the scales against Batman since he himself is an excellent preper and again it depending on who you match Batman up against (because there are characters who match and exceed Batman's prep abilities).

Which realistically would be bested quickly by anyone with powers. But PIS/CIS and fan service has allow him to do otherwise for far too long.

No, he wouldn't be bested by people just because a person has powers (again depending on who you use, because Batman can hang and defeat people with powers that are low level meta or enhanced).

PIS/CIS/WIS and Fanservice has allowed many heroes such as Captain America, Black Panther, Doon, Reed, Lex, Nightwing, Slade, etc to preform any great feat, for a long time not just Batman.

And for the record PIS/WIS/CIS and Fan Service exist in every single character. Again just because you don't like Batman doesn't make him useless or always in need of prep. And just because you don't like him doesn't mean he is the only character that has PIS/WIS/CIS or Fan Service when all of that exist clearly in every other fictional character as well, so again not just Batman (cue he has the most out of them all argument, still doesn't change the fact it PIS/WIS/CIS and Fan service exist in and with every character).

PS: My bad if you get more than one notification for this one response.

The does seem his popularity has encouraged DC writers to give him some pretty ridiculous feats.

I have a slight issue with your prep time argument as the way I see it he is a master tactician and it's the way he uses the prep time. I.e. to give him any kind of chance against Superhuman's the prep time and money are basically his super power. Saying that they should get the same prep time and if someone way more powerful can utilise that same prep time then they should win.

But I do agree people get a little silly with some arguments about his prep time, beating superman with Kryptonite...I guess I can understand happening once, but Batman beating every single person who should crush him because he had prep does get annoying.

some people act like batman is getting all the glory treatment even though there are plenty of characters out there who get just as much and sometimes better treatment than batman does.

seriously though batman rarely wins any serious fights on CV even with prep. anyone else is allowed to slip past free

You know what also needs to change? The whole ''Black Panther can beat everyone because he has a vibrato uh sorry I mean vibranium suit'', bullshit.

You know, I'd love one day for one of Batman's prep-weapons to fail because he had misunderstood how it would work on the target.

@gattorocco said:

Meanwhile...

lol

Again, you are wrong. Maybe he would have become a crime fighter, but the Batman man he is todoay? Never. Why? Because, without all that money and resources, how on earth would he have been able to locate and meet teacher from all over the world. In places like africa, japan and china. Those types of tickets aren't cheap and more over, getting where he had to go to meet these masters would have taken some serious doing. Tracking down Ninja masters, Zen masters and members of the league of shadows. He didn't find those guys on craigslist. Also, the tech that he uses is a direct byproduct of the money and resources he gets from his fathers business. So the idea that he would have been able to achieve all these things without the company his father builts is silly.

I am in no way wrong about Batman’s character. I understand that there are many aspects that contribute to his character. The main feature being his drive to achieve his goals, so even if he didn’t have money he would still be Batman. Your only focusing on a tool (money) and implying everything that his character is money based. His character isn’t.

And yes he would still be the Batman he is today because it all goes back to his determination. Like I said it would have taken him longer but he would have got there. He would start by getting his education then making something of himself then after that he would go train. That is in a nutshell without going in to a ton of detail of how he would become Batman with no money.

Like I said before, he's one of the worst because even though what I'm saying is very obvious, people still say what you are saying like bruces raw anger as a child would have brought him all these things. No, if his Dad wasn't already a billionaire, Bruce would have been put in foster care, had an extremely generic education and probably been a bad seed. his law school education was paid for by has family. Orphans aren't getting that kind of money.

Nothing what you said makes or even proves Batman is one of the worst character’s. And what you’re saying about Bruce being nothing but raw anger (especially when he got over his anger, long ago) is just plain wrong and shows that you only see the surface of one moment in his life, when his character is so much more. Again he would be just fine even if he didn’t have money. He is a very intelligent person (His IQ is 192) so I am certain he could have easily figured out how to get an education, make his own company and then train to become Batman. That’s a pretty simple way he can be Batman with no money.

As I said before, A grown man taking in repeat orphans kids and training them to be his sidekick raises some questions. I also said, it's very obvious(given that he's not written as such) that he's not a pedo. However, by real world standards, he's actions are suspect and would not fly.

I might read that.

Again it doesn't in the slightest, unless you want to make it seem that way. In real life he would be fine and no one would accuse him of being a pedophile if he gave people no one the reason to. In the real world would he would be painted as a hero for taking pity on misfortune children.

And you should read those links.

No, I'm looking at stupid fan service feats he's allowed to have that are so dumb that they make the comic not worth reading. For example. Batman sneaking away from superman. How is this possible when Superman has the following abilities. Xray vision: Outrageous Super speed. Hearing so powerful he can hear things on another planet. Batman isn't sneaking away from Superman. A quick xray scan should reveal him instantly, yet this doesn't happen and it is not suggested that Batman is so stealthy that he is capable of avoiding detection from a character that has every possible ability to detecthim.

Again like I have said before everyone gets fan service, so I don't know why your using as a point to just damn Batman.

Some examples would be: Superman's heat vision beating Darkseid's Omega Beams. Superman surviving Darkseid's Omega Beams. Wonder Woman defeating Zoom, Spiderman defeating Firelord, Captain America defeating Hulk and Spider-Man in combat. I can go on and on bottom line is every hero gets their share of fan service when companies try to push characters. So again it is not just a damning point for Batman like your trying to make it be.

Ah, but see he does. Plot just doesn't let that happen. Notice that all of batman's villains, minus a few are just crazy people. The others are bricks. The one guy that broke him off {bane} didn't kill him herp derp knows. But for some reason, he is allow to keep on winning. And that's just fan service.

No he doesn't.

Wow really, your going to try to use this point, to try to again damn Batman's for instances of plot. Wow ok well how many times were superheroes at the mercy of villains and not killed. Zoom not Killing Flash in Flashpoint (due to him monologuing), First Born Not killing Wonder Woman (because of the Minoatur showing compassion on her), Firelord not killing Spider-man with ease, Iron Man not beating the stuffing out Cap in the Civil War, Superman beat Shazham in a fight when Shazham clearly has his weakness, Aquaman defeating Heracules. I can go for days on the whole fan service issues in comics.

Tons of superheroes get this treatment (especially when they are popular). It is a issue in comics and yes it does it need to be fixed. Trying to use this point in order to damn Batman’s character is pointless, when you would have to damn every other character.

There isn't a single marvel or DC character with powers that would lose to batman if that character had prep.

Yes there are. If we do like you said and given everyone equal prep, quite a alot would lose to Batman seeing as he has the better prep feats to prove why he would win and he is better than most at it. Again if your one siding the prep of course he could lose (depending on who you pit him against, because again some character are equal or greater to him in Prep).

I never said he was the only one with it. I'm saying he's one of the few that get it to a "F*ck you" level of poll stroking. Again, an example: Solomn Grundy has taken hits from Superman. Hard hits and not been KO'd. How is the ever loving hell does Batman KO him??? Wonder Woman is another example of the same thing. Batman should not do damage to someone with her level or durability, yet he has actually harmed with his bare hands. This is retarded. No matter what, as long as we are to believe he is just a man, that is stupid beyond all reason.

But your implying it like he is the only one (that might have not been your intent, but the way you put it in the beginning makes you come across as saying he is the only one).

Again there are many examples of street levelers that get away with things like this not just Batman. Cap (beating Hulk and Rhino) Dare Devil beating Wolverine and pressure pointing a 50+ tonner) Black Panther (beating down Namor in a fight), Slade taking on the Flash and Teen Titans. Wonder Woman beating Zoom, again I could go on for days.

While at times I do agree it is stupid and really shouldn't happen (unless some weird fighting techniques, gadgets, or the environment is being used to aid the hero) but you can’t just simply damn Batman for this point and hate him for it. Because if you do you would have to hate and damn a lot of other characters. Again it is an issue in comics that need to be addressed and fixed.

don't hate the bat, hate his writers/fans

@darling_luna: Damn. She's hot. :)

@lettsplay10:

no worries, spidey, the lord, informed me he is planning on taking it away

@spider-manwins: The prep is a bless by Bat-God so there is no taking away

@darling_luna: GIVE ME HER NAME NOW!!!

@lettsplay10: Aubrey plaza

@darling_luna: Thank you

It's not going to change.

Batman sells books, the only way to he even matters is to nerf the hell out of anyone who's in the same book and give him prep.

The OP would have been somewhat correct if he had been here 2 years ago. These days you don't see too many Batman with prep battles (except for the occasional 1-2 days prep). Most people on this site (except for a banned user that shall not be named) agree that Batman has limits to his prep. In fact, I would argue Batman is now one of the most lowballed characters on this site. Anyways, there are characters that are much more OP with prep than Batman (like John Constantine).

Interesting you bring up Spider-man since he's the one person that no amount of prep should be able to beat since he can't "fall into a trap" or be surprised or ambushed. Kinda evens the playing field.

@lettsplay10: unless youre spider-GOD, the one who gave it to batfeg in the first place

@chuckwolf: and hes completely omnipotent in fiction and reality

Batman can't beat anyone with prep time .

@spider-manwins: Lel Bat-god makes you think Spiderman is the one who gave Bat-God the prep

@lettsplay10: oh youre the one who said batman can feel pain?

yeah, get outta here kid

spider- man cant feel pain, hes omnipotent

@spider-manwins: So Spiderman is Omnipotent

While Bat-God is like a Beyond Unlimited times above that