No one here would have a chance in hell of ever perceiving Zoom. None of the avengers have the reaction speed to ever tag him or dodge his hits. Zoom could let go a couple of snaps and half of them are knocked out. The rest he just has to hit and run them to death. Zoom was a blur to a severely amped Wall West, if he doesn't want them to hurt him they won't and they have no defense for his attacks because they can't see it coming.
Without question, Zoom II (if that who the OP meant) is immensely fast as he controls how fast he moves along the time line...he is always out of sync with the current timeline, as that are how his powers work. In a random encounter, with no prep, not seeing how anyone on team Avengers can react to Zoom, who moves through time.
On the other, once Zoom II mops the floor with all the other Avengers, he has to figure out what to do with the Sentry. I assume we are also talking about current Sentry, who really cannot be killed. An argument could be made that Zolomon could time BFR Sentry...but for how long, as we know he has come back from time BFR by Morgan Le Fay. Really not seeing what Zolomon can do to permanently put DSS down. An argument might be made that he could go for the knockout by striking him a 100 times in 0 seconds? Not sure if that is feasible with current Death Seed Sentry as he appears to have terrific damage soak.
@batmanfanboy: We're using a comparison made by someone who has taken a full on Superman punch though, Wonder Woman. He can definitely take Hulk from his feats and from what he's shown. I recall having a scan of him saying something along the lines of "Time is 0" to wally, but I can't find it :(
Anyways, he can't deal with the other 2. As I said, I don't think he wins this thread. More specifically, he can't deal with Strange due to auto-shielding and Strange's abilities to also manipulate time. Wanda's a glass canon though, so he could potentially take her.
@beware_my_power: I'm not sure, I don't usually debate strange, but he can manipulate time, similarly to Alan Scott. I'd side with magic more often than not in this specific case. Since Hunter can't vibrate through things, he likely won't be braking the shields.
@beware_my_power: I would rather wait to see evidence of how strong these shields are before people get ahead of themselves because Zoom has the ability to easily throw hundreds of punches near instantly, what's to say he can't overwhelm these shields?
@batmanfanboy: Also, Sentry is a whole can of nonsense, where he can't die unless she wants to, and basically beats himself, or becomes deity. I don't know whether Zolomon could efficiently beat sentry.
@batmanfanboy: She has. Maxwell Lord's illusion made him believe he was fighting Doomsday, and caused him to blitz her to the sun, and then punch her back to earth. He was also out to kill. during the same arc he trashed Batman, and was stated to have unusually high levels of strategic thinking.
@dratini1331: that's respectfully a different arc than the one zoom hit wonder woman in though lol
Meh, It's still an experience she has in the time line, it's also not the only time she's faced an all out superman. Either way, good to see people finally in some semblance of agreement and not posting memes anymore ^_^
@beware_my_power: how fast are those shields at autoing when it comes to Zoom?
That's the exact debate I wish to avoid. It's usually pretty fruitless, which is why I just assume they're always on unless PIS is happening, make my life easier :P
@batmanfanboy: I'm going to try and explain why Zoom wins this fight.
Zoom is far faster than light: This is not in dispute; Wally who is also much faster than light couldn't percieve him as more than a blur; he can move and fight at these speeds. This means when he attacks at those speeds he is hitting with what is commonly called the IMP (Infinite Mass Punch) if you don't know when objects (in this case his fist) hit something when in motion the force it hits with is correspondingly magnified. At light speed Zoom is hitting Hulk with more force than anyone he's ever encountered. In the second or two that it takes Hulk to bring his hands together (assuming he's even aware of Hunter blitzing him) he's been punched millions of times with that force. Hulks durability isn't high enough to tank that kind of assualt.
Now the points you brought up about Hulks weight are largely irrelevent (because the force Zoom is generating is so many times greater than Hulks mass or anything he's tanked before, he can't even set and brace himself because as his muscles are contracting he's being punched, as he's forming the thought to do so he's being punched etc. In the same vein any attempts at a counterattack or a preemptive one as you claimed he would do with some kind of AOE attack are futile, he's not fast enough, not even close, not on his best day.
A little nugget for you; When I first joined comicvine I saw this post by a user called Lady Liberty:
I think the problem is that people don't understand the three unwritten rules of comic vine.
They are in order.
I. Zoom Solos.
II. Majestic Solos.
III. Mightnighter Solos.
Once you understand these three things, then will be able to create much better balanced battles.
There's a reason (and a good deal of truth) for that, Zoom is on a completely different level from Hulk WB or not.
@sovereign91001: Nah he beats hulk but I was just trying to get the focus on hulk so everyone would see how much effort it would take for him to do so so they could all think about DOCTOR STRANGE who is spite because he would fart death on zoom.
but only because he is Antonio Banderas in disguise
Nah he beats hulk but I was just trying to get the focus on hulk so everyone would see how much effort it would take for him to do so so they could all think about DOCTOR STRANGE who is spite because he would fart death on zoom.
but only because he is Antonio Banderas in disguise
Strange looses as well; he faces the same problem Hulk faces, he's not fast enough. Before he can think to slow and or manipulate time to put him on Zoom's level he's already out. I'd like to know more about the autoshields; but I'm willing to bet they haven't withstood the force Zoom is bringing to the table.
@beatboks1 You are one of if not the go to guy as far as mystical characters go on the vine...how strong are current Stranges autoshields?
Nah he beats hulk but I was just trying to get the focus on hulk so everyone would see how much effort it would take for him to do so so they could all think about DOCTOR STRANGE who is spite because he would fart death on zoom.
but only because he is Antonio Banderas in disguise
Strange looses as well; he faces the same problem Hulk faces, he's not fast enough. Before he can think to slow and or manipulate time to put him on Zoom's level he's already out. I'd like to know more about the autoshields; but I'm willing to bet they haven't withstood the force Zoom is bringing to the table.
For all he's faced; I don't think he's dealt with an opponent who can attack faster than thought.
@beatboks1 You are one of if not the go to guy as far as mystical characters go on the vine...how strong are current Stranges autoshields?
The op doesn't specify which Strange it is but anyway he apparently can take a blast from galactus and it was so strong it still caused in earthquake on earth. that gives him more than enough time to either vanish zoom or possess him.
The op doesn't specify which Strange it is but anyway he apparently can take a blast from galactus and it was so strong it still caused in earthquake on earth. that gives him more than enough time to either vanish zoom or possess him.
Nah. One slow ass blast that causes an earthquake isn't enough. The thing people forget is shields wither and the user gets strained. Imagine Zoom delivering at least 100 IMPs in less than a zeptosecond. Not only is Strange's brain fried, he's dead.
With Zoom's time manip its fairly easy for him to put out equal and above that ONE Galactus blast in a very quick succession. And he's delivering this all before maybe a picosecond has passed. Now I don't think Strange's brain is THAT fast enough to react to that type of assault.
@batmanfanboy: if not elaborated upon in the OP it's current version by default. He cast that shield also he even says that it's hastily erected. And at best that is light speed; Zoom is far far above light speed.
@batmanfanboy: if not elaborated upon in the OP it's current version by default. He cast that shield also he even says that it's hastily erected. And at best that is light speed; Zoom is far far above light speed.
It's versions at time of writing, which was 5 years ago. just to clarify.
@dratini1331: Does that actually mean he is as powerful as Classic, though? Not to mention that Classic Strange is overrated anyways - he had prep for most of those big feats.
@sovereign91001: Zoom is made to look fast because of how slow he makes everything else,once the flash figured out how to deal with his time slowing ability he was able to beat zoom was he not?
@batmanfanboy: if not elaborated upon in the OP it's current version by default. He cast that shield also he even says that it's hastily erected. And at best that is light speed; Zoom is far far above light speed.
It's versions at time of writing, which was 5 years ago. just to clarify.
He wasn't Sorcerer Supreme in 2009; he lost it in 07 and got it back in 2011 iirc.
i dont know anything about either one but i know the one on the left is from my team and the one on the right is from your team,so the one on the left wins.
no the one on the right wins you are wrong here are some scans.
nope the one on the left wins here are some scans.
those scans means nothing you are a fanboy.
my scan is absolute proof,you are the fanboy.
then non stop insulting and whining till a mod interferes and lock it down.
seriously both sides become trolls and fanboys in these threads,can we debate like grown ups and actually use in context scans and stop being so stubborn.
Maybe contribute to the thread instead of just insulting people. If you think no one here knows what they're talking about, point out how they're wrong.
@batmanfanboy: Okay let me tell you: Character statements about power levels are next to worthless here; that proves absolutely nothing. Current Strange at the time of OP wasn't Sorcerer Supreme he didn't have access to those powers. Classic Strange feats are likewise exempt.
Strange is out of his depth; he's never dealt with anyone even romotelly as quick as Zoom; he seemingly has no counter and unless he can react faster than a picosecond to freeze time to even get onto Zoom's level he looses as well.
Which bring us right back to where 99% of the people in this thread said would happen. Zoom solos.
@sovereign91001: The OP said WWH so I'm assuming this is WWH strange,who said he was sorcerer supreme,still showing his possession abilities and says he could take his life away with the twitch of a finger...yeah i dont see how on earth zooms "speed" deals with this
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