Yhwach (Bleach) vs Kaguya (Naruto)

He was already under the effect of Kyoka Suigetsu long before Almighty happened.

We don't have to debate if you don't want to, but why do you always try to get threads locked where Kaguya is losing? I wouldn't mind debating for Kaguya but she's against a machine just too strong here.

Anyway, Amaterasu was confirmed to be a threat to Kaguya and OP has confirmed Yhwach can use Yamamoto's bankai. There is no way she is shrugging off 15 million degrees flames in addition to his Almighty.

The OP said that Yhwach can use Bankai and the OP made the thread. You are going into threads and trying to change the OP now? We are following the rules here, you are the one who should apologize to the OP for trying to modify his thread.

He was under the effect of Kyoka Suigetsu long before Almighty happened.

He needs to see it in the future for it to be powerless, which is only possible with the Almighty. Which isn't the case for Kyoka Suigetsu now is it???

@godsvileanddarkwing: And in his Almighty form he was still put under an illusion and he wasn't able to predict it nor nullify it. And Mugen Tsukuyomi is >>>> Kanzen Saimin by feats.

Now stop tagging me. Let the mods talk.

@westwood_trevor said:

@godsvileanddarkwing: And in his Almighty form he was still put under an illusion and he wasn't able to predict it nor nullify it. And Mugen Tsukuyomi is >>>> Kanzen Saimin by feats.

Now stop tagging me. Let the mods talk.

"Everything that I see...is powerless before me." Can you even read??? Almighty > Mugen Tsukuyomi.

He was already under the effect of Kyoka Suigetsu long before Almighty, so he wasn't able to see it.

Kaguya admitted Amaterasu was bad news for her. Yamamoto's bankai has better feats than Amaterasu considering on-panel it is star core temperatures (15 million degrees celsius), while Amaterasu had trouble burning through Samurai armor. OP has allowed Yhwach to use Yamamoto's bankai (he probably can use it anyway). How does Kaguya not get vaporized the moment Yhwach activates bankai mode "prison of the remaining sun"?

? Ehm...another Yhwach vs Kaguya thread...ruined by trolls too. ?

Is this the 100th Yhwach vs Kaguya or what? Lost the count. And another one was locked before. ?

@jashro44 @juiceboks

@godsvileanddarkwing: If you bump another of these threads parroting the same statements then I'm temp-banning you.

Bump. Given its now unbanned.

Yhwach vs isshiki

Would be better.

Isshiki is widely seen as the strongest naruto character these days

Lol, this site must be reaching a desperation time if its going to be unbanning these characters lol

I don’t see how Kaguya wins.

In a non-jobbing situation (which would actually benefit both character) it‘s hard to describe how brutally Kaguya dies here

With jobbing she loses in less time than Ichigo

Yhwach solos the verse besides maybe shibai ?

kaguya is immortal she is an energy being her hax are matter manip existence erasure ability to copy any ninjutsu genjutsu or anything that has chakra she can absorb energy is immune to existence erasure can rewrite reality the only weakness she has is to her own jutsu which her sons got because they were her sons which is the sealing jutsu naruto and sasuke use to defeat her and btw she almost oneshots both of them several times in terms of hax any hax you can think of kaguya has she is the mother of hax because the rinnegan sharingan are all hax based techniques and she has all of them times infinity since she also has yin/yang which is the ability to create anything like life or how hagoromo split the ten tails into 9 tailed beastt and gave them souls and personalitys and btw she also has genjutsu of the highest level and we know yhwach isnt immune to everything thats how he lost and yhwach can die so this is just lowballing kaguya to an insane degree not to mention that she has almost infinite chakra reservers being capable of fighting for years to melleniea without a break and ywhach isnt a god tier he is not immortal his regeneration is almost not existence and he relies to much on his almighty with out that he is trash

Yhwach slams stats-wise in base, but will need to use some of the Sternritter power to permanently put Kaguya down.

The one who created change spaces of and can destroy her own spacetimes

Yhwach solos the verse

Yhwach solos the verse

kaguya can create and destroy planets make moons and planets stars and solar systems whach is not even close if you actually scale ywhach is is continental to planetary ith high ball how ever kaguya is multiplanetary since she created dozens of planets and she has power over anything natural on earth and all jutsu and genjutsu so ywhach will not lose whach at best is multiplanetary kaguya with out any mental gymnastic is solar system level

and tso erase a person they do not destroy they erase because tso are space times they erase a person from space and reality via yin yang release

Yhwach obliterates the entire verse leaving nothing left

proof

Yhwach wins.

Immortal yet she got sealed and killed by hagoromo lol. Every Qunicy and soul reaper in bleach has Existence erasure and resistance to it. Not impressive by bleach standards. Every qunicy has matter manipulation and can absorb matter and energy. Not impressive in bleach.

and that isnt actualy true she didnt get killed her powers were sealed away and removed from her she didnt get kiled and ywhach actually did die they have existance erasure against far weaker characters and they can only resist it if they have similar strenth how ever that isnt how tsb work even if you are more powerful than the user you will get erased and if they had true erasure why didnt they erase sosuke aizen because they couldnt kaguya can manipulate all matter on earth she can even go into the planet and control it and ywhachs energy absorbtion is very slow and flawed when he absorbed soul king even though soul king was very weak at the time it took him minutes to hours to do and kaguya can also absorb energy but a lot faster able of absorbing all the energy from all humans in second unlike ywhach who it took several minutes to take the power he had granted to the sternreiters

She can also die form abortion or power extraction which yhwach specializes in. He can steal powers of all types even conceptual power. Yhwach also has reality warping since he has reio's power and gremmys. He can also make any damage he does permanent regardless of your tegen. Not only that he has control over all souls and life and death. So he has many ways to kill kaguya

first of all no she cant in boruto it is confirmed that kaguya doesnt die since the god tree syncd with her she is always alive in the tailed beast and earth it self she just need a body to use thats why she sent black zetsu to find a person strong enough to revive her body or use as a vessel and ywhach wouldnt be able to absorb the the tentails and even if he did kaguya would just take over since kaguya became the tentails so she would gain control over his body like she did with madara ywhach reality warpiing is far weaker than kaguya kaguya can creat dimensions and create life and anything she imagines and he did not have control over life and death thats how he dies he gets killed by ichigo and btw he knew that that would happen but he says he could not change it reading manga of bleach chapter 684 and you will find out kaguya cant die and kaguya also has control over life and death and ywhach has absolutely no resistance to genjutsu since sozuke aizen manages to use it against him even after aizen releases it and ywhach finds out he was in an illusion it still works on him

Yhwach has like 3 or 4 scrifts which can make him immortal. The Almighty makes him immortal to since he can always come back via the future. Kaguya gets mega stomped

none of the schrift give true immortality they can ressurect and they are cool especially balancer which can transfer all wound or misfortune to someone else but all of the people with the schrifts got defeated even when they seemed undefeatable and he cant always comeback like how he got defeat when ichigo killed him and before he dies he also says he had forsaw that future but couldnt change it but kaguya cant be killed and he has almost all of ywhach powers that ability to control people without them ever finding out via koatatsumuki which literally controls someone not via genjutsu but it just plain mind control that if you get caught in you can never break out or tsukuyomi which can make you live decades to hundreds of years in less than 0.0000001 of a second and when it ends you die and by the way kaguya could just absorb him and in terms of ap/dc ywhach is nowwhere near to kaguya and even his rengeration takes a lot longer than kaguya and kaguya also has control of souls via rennigen abilities

@dogsrus: she was never killed just sealed and turned into a statue twice. Yhwach, aizen and the soul king have also all been sealed lol

Yhwach solos the verse

SK yhwach or almighty yhwach beats kaguya, Base yhwach gets fodderized

@trideca001: well almighty has weaknesses like how he saw that he would get killed by ichigo but couldnt change it or the fact that even realizing that aizen had put him in ks thing he still got tricked by it several times even though ichigo noticed that aizen had turned it on and thats after had had turned on almighty during his final fight with ichigo

@undre:

Immortal yet she got sealed and killed by hagoromo lol. Every Qunicy and soul reaper in bleach has Existence erasure and resistance to it. Not impressive by bleach standards. Every qunicy has matter manipulation and can absorb matter and energy. Not impressive in bleach.

yes aizen is immortal he got sealed does that denote him of his immortality no and the difference with her immortality and ywhach and aizen is that only the yin/yang seal of hagoromo and hamura can seal her it wasnt the moon that actually suppressed her the moon was for the gedo statue the yin/yang is the seal that forcefully pulls the tailedbeast out of her thats why it is the only jutsu sage of six paths gave to them to take her down and bleach doesnt have true existence erasure since they are already dead when they die again they are considered erased that is different for ywhach because ywhach was never dead since he is a quincy unlike soul reapers saying quincy has matter manip isnt true they can manipulate reishi which is energy not matter the soul society is made of reishi thats why it looks like matter manip but it isnt they cant absorb matter only reishi which is energy

She can also die form abortion or power extraction which yhwach specializes in. He can steal powers of all types even conceptual power. Yhwach also has reality warping since he has reio's power and gremmys. He can also make any damage he does permanent regardless of your tegen. Not only that he has control over all souls and life and death. So he has many ways to kill kaguya

she cant die from absorption that is what madara did infact because of the tentails being synced to her since she ate the chakra tree any being that eats it will become the tentails others wise known as kaguya and she will take him over ywhach power extraction takes prep and is extremely slow like when he did it to heavily weakened soul king gremmys power is very limited he can change reality but only to a small extent however kaguya can make whole dimensions planets stars etc even life so she has better reality warping he cant make damage permenant aizen managed t heal from him damaging his heart kaguya also has control over life and death via ying/yang creation of all things kaguya cant die she is part of the tentails and the earth as long as chakra exist kaguya exist

Yhwach has like 3 or 4 scrifts which can make him immortal. The Almighty makes him immortal to since he can always come back via the future. Kaguya gets mega stomped

first of all ywhach is dead he got killed and he saw how he would die before it happened however he couldnt change that future he has 3 or 4 schrift plus actually its more like just about all of them give him immortal like powers but all of them have weaknesses he can be killed they can ressurect him many times but there is a way to kill him and if it was true that he could always comeback then he wouldnt have died in terms of kaguya hax i will name them demensional travel teleportation immortality existence erasure gravity manipulation mind control via koatatsumaki which is definite mind control not genjutsu or tsukuyomi which is genjutsu that controls space and time when a person is within it and when the genjutsu end the person in it will die but if the user decides so or izanagi which traps a person in an infinite loop until they change their ways even if that person is immune to genjutsu like kabuto who was blind she can also make anything she wants via yin yang she can rip out souls via rennigan she can grow limbs via asura path she can shoot missiles via asura path she has pre cog she can absorb every persons energy on earth in second she also has limbo clones of herself in a parallel world that no one besides so6p user can see she can trap a person in the core of a planet she can merge with a planet she can summon and make demension she can make a tso big enough to erase a solar system she can erase time space she also has the ability to reverse time by a couple of seconds confirmed that it was madara mangekyou sharingan ability which she has because she uses madara as a vessel and because all chakra and abilities come from her she can also see into the future via fuguki mangekyou sharingan

kishimoto literally said the reason he ended madara and put in kaguya was because madara had become undefetable so he had to get rid of him and kaguya has all of madaras powers plus

and so he had to nerf her and not let her use almost any of her abilities for the sake of plot

so watch bleach tybw and read the manga and you will see that ywhach has many flaws i agree the sternreiters powers are definitely cool especially balance and x axis and uryus power as well i forgot what it was called but all of them are meant for killing they cant deal wiith some one who cant die thats why he didnt get rid of aizen he said he couldnt so he let him be

Yhwach solos the verse

Нет

@undre: she does have the powers of the mangekyou it is confirmed kishimito restricted them because naruto and sasuke had to win due to plot thats why he killed of madara kishimito says this you can look it up and kaguya is immune to erasure she erased her self with her own tso and then regrew her body out of nothing and momoshiki literally states kaguya created those dimensions and it literally states that they are her dimension and not to mention the fact that she can merge with earth like i said the powers are cool but they are all meant to kill or oneshot someone kaguya cant be one shot and the only thing ywhach has that can put him down is maybe absorption and that wont work and when it is said that kaguya is dead it means that her body is destroyed she still exist as data in the earth and 10 tails so when a vessel strong enough to hold her power shows up she can resurrect again but she isnt truly dead and the death schrift can be negated if you keep on changing what you use thats how death was defeated so kaguya would just use different natura release or just make weapons via yin and yang release or just erase it or seal it and you forgot mind control which she has and ywhach is extremely weak to mind control even in his last fight aizen manages to trick him wwith it many times even though ichigo notices that aizen turned on his ks ability and the almight can not perfectly change the future thats why ichigo won even though he knew what ichigo would do he even says so before he dies and izanami which can rewrite reality so you dont die if that happens thanks for responding though and reishi is energy it is spiritual matter aka energy since it is not physical humans can touch it

Yhwach is just too weak to do anything serious.

Kaguya beats him with mid difficulty at worst. And only due to his Almighty, without future altering he would be dead in one attack.

Like I said earlier depends on what version of yhwach , base yhwach gets fodderized by kaguya, SK and almighty yhwach would beat her. No version of yhwach even comes close to soloing the verse, he can solo most of verse though.

@trideca001: I would have to disagree almigthty yhwack with Soul King is stronger but he didn't absorb the whole Sole King just the Soul King's left arm and his almighty can be negated with even weak genjutsu because Aizen Bankai's ability only controls five senses if you use you reiatzu sensing ability it can be negated which is what Yamamoto did against him when they fought and he managed to break through it but genjutsu like Tsukuyomi is impossible to break through because it is impossible to ever know you are in it and even if you did you have to be immune to mind control to breakout which ywhach is extremely weak to and for those who say he got caught in it because his almighty was not on are wrong even after he absorbs the soul kings left arm sosuke aizen catches him in it several more times and Ichigo realises that aizen turned it on so he goes along with it but ywhach does not

Bro didn't even manage to get one thing right and didn't use a single period while he was at it.

@kingogkings777: lol well he ain’t wrong though💀.

@trideca001: He is through.

1 - No quincy or shinigami has existence erasure or resistance to it, as usual you make things up out of your head and use it as an argument here.

2 - In the same way no quincy has manipulation of matter or energy, what they do have is literally the ability to absorb a specific type of energy that only exists in the Bleach universe and redirect it as an attack, about matter there is also nothing, only that the spirit worlds of Bleach are conveniently for them composed of the type of energy they use to fight.

3 - The only powers that Yhwach can steal are the shinigami's bankais as far as is known, even this is extolled by several quincy who do the same thing, but it has been shown that alien energies poison him like that of the hollows.

4 - His reality manipulation is extremely superficial, as seen by the fact that he is defeated, which is unthinkable for someone with an advanced degree of reality alteration.

5 - He only has control over the flow of souls within the universes ruled by the Soul King and his mythology, it is a complete slander to use this as an argument for a battle against a character who is not part of that world.

6 - And none of those letters that supposedly make him immortal prevented him from being killed by a simple blow that cut him in half. Basically, it's the least immortal I've ever seen.

In other words, his answer is based solely on fooling a guy who hasn't read the Bleach manga.

About the fight itself, in raw power it is indisputable that Kaguya is many, many light years above, characters of the caliber of Naruto MK2 + SM of ninja warfare would already be extremely difficult for Yhwach to win, the only advantage of the quincy here is his experience, something that Kaguya no matter how old she is has none, But I don't think that's going to make up for the power disparity between the characters in any way. Even taking into account the ability to revive with the A this will not be able to save him from a technique that nullifies other techniques such as the gudoudama, the fight boils down to Kaguya turning the Yhwach into a blood soup with the chakra punches, the Yhwach revives with the A and she uses the gudoudama to finish him off forever.

@feanorr: i dead read the manga i just gave him the benefit of the doubt because the argument would not have gone anyhere if i didnt and i do agree with what you are saying

@kingogkings777:

But of course, we're all seeing.

@kingogkings777: My keyboard is broken my w doesn't work right and I was on a time limit i will try to get my grammar right, thanks though .

@kingogkings777: And why would you say I am wrong, rebuttal if you believe I am wrong.

The featless clown who got shat on by plot armor and can't utilize his abilities properly vs the one with space time sure thing