@professorrespect:
Not really, your point was that I didn't discuss you omitting the full fight when in fact I do and you reply to it further down lol.
The first scan I posted was to demonstrate Logan's striking power, I even commented on that BEFORE I uploaded the scan. You know what you did from there, I'm not repeating myself anymore now
His striking power in that sense was missing context etc. It was added in after.
Here's the thing, the point is street levels don't have the striking power to send someone like Spidey flying, let alone hurt Peter with their punches. The only few who can do that is Wolverine, Iron-Fist with chi at maximum levels and probably a non-jobbing Sabretooth.
It is out of context as I already explained. You didn't mention the context missing.
The scan is not out of context because I didn't post it to show that Wolverine can beat Spidey, I posted it to show his striking power. They fought, Peter attacked Logan and Logan retaliated, sending him flying with a back-hand. Yes Peter didn't know if he was fighting the real Wolverine which is what he was saying BEFORE and AFTER he attacked him, the point is he still attacked Wolverine and started to realize that he was fighting the real Wolverine after he got back-handed and kicked in the gut (both strikes that sent Peter flying). The fight was showing who was the aggressor and who was not, even if (as you put it) the fight had context.
.erm I just explained why it was OOC the last few pages lol.
Hah, you were not clear the first time but whatever at this point
Literally going off the actual page mate, not sure where this is coming from.
Bro, I'm addressing the fight where Wolverine back hands Spidey after dodging two sucker punches from him which were clearly not gentle-training-session-taps. You are saying he is holding back and I'm saying he is not, it's clear on this sega that we cleary going in circles so at this point we will just have to agree to disagree. lol
Bro you made up arguments and then say you've "addressed this" you haven't, that's the point of making them up. I'm actually starting to think you aren't able to actually discern what the discussion is about.
You know exactly what I'm talking about, at this stage your just back-paddling. Go to the very first post and you will see what started this endless debate, if you are having trouble to discern what the debate is about then it's all on you unfortunately, I can't help you there mate.
Spidey attacked first, he thought somebody was dressed as Wolverine etc.
Your missing my point as usual, for the zillionth time I know he thought Logan was somebody else. The fact is, they fought and I uploaded the scan where Wolverine back-hands him which sends him flying and Peter clearly says "That hurts." He then hold his jaw as he says that, I mean it's pretty clear Logan hurt him there with that strike. You seem to have an issue with that, Logan back-handing Spidey since we know street levels like Dare-Devil or the Punisher don't have the striking power to send Peter flying with kicks and elbows. I'm sure now (and I hope) you get the point, lol
Yet this comes after he's thrown the two punches you've focused on, so this is irrelevant.
Your calling irrelevant based on what I ask again? Because Peter thought he was fighting an imposter? You can clearly see that he is the aggressor of the fight here while Logan is not taking the fight seriously, the purpose of the scan again was to show Wolverine's striking power which you seem to default at all costs.
Again, you say my intent of the scene is that Spidey didn't want to fight Wolverine, yet I never stated as such anywhere in my post.
Your post does sound like your saying that because you are saying Peter is holding back against Logan and yet his actions don't show that, considering he tells himself that he better cool down just in case he is fighting someone who doesn't have powers. You know what we are debating about the scans I posted, and it basically goes down to this-You are saying Logan can't hurt Peter with his strikes and I say he can thanks to his adamantium. SIMPLE
Again, chimneys aren't the full measure of a non-holding back Spidey etc.
I know their not (lol), that's why he even says "Ouch." after punching one, that's the same comic where he one-shots a thug because he is pissed off....just like he was pissed off when he fought Wolverine yelling at him that he doesn't like imposters.
.throwing strikes to try to hit Spidey? Unlike yourself I can actually produce context etc.
Yeah sure, take me to a Respect thread that has no bearing and you've actually proven nothing with this so called product content that has nothing to do with the thread. But yeah of course, if I'm going to post a Wolverine feat then I'm gonna hear context this and context that, LOL
Annoyed maybe, but "full power" is what I have issue with in your post given the critical element it has in the argument.
I never said he went all out, I mean come on dude it's pretty obvious what an all out/full power Peter can do. What I was saying is that he was not holding back, maybe I should of worded it better by saying he wasn't in a good mood or was annoyed, since he one-shotted a thug before meeting Logan. But clearly in the scan, he wasn't in his wise cracky moods (lol)
And you miss the context of Spidey
A. Not knowing it was Wolverine so not prepared
B. Not bracing because of A
Already addressed, his speech bubble also confirms that Logan isn't some thug in the hood since he (Spidey) listed the super powered beings that he had encountered before and wasn't in the mood with a Wolverine imposter. Which was already addressed, thank you
because you did miss the context. It is pretty funny that you have such a hard time just admitting that though.
What's actually funny is you pointing out that one scan that was to show Wolverine's striking power is out of context, then I post the beginning of the fight to show HOW it started since you yet again claimed there was missing context. Now you just duck and dive and pretend that you actually presented an argument, let alone linking me to a Respect thread. Hilarious
and in relation to striking that has zero relevance. That's my point. I'm glad you at least semi-get it.
Yet your the one putting words into my mouth about Wolverine striking the She-Hulk which has nothing to with the argument, since the point of the scan was to show the affect of adamantauim which you seem to take lightly. Pretty sure if the She-Hulk bumped into DD or the Punisher she wouldn't even have felt the impact, but it either seems you don't know how effective his adamantuim can be against someone like Spidey or you choose ignore it, take your pick.
He could be a class 100 and I wouldn't care. He's a shitty jobber and handbook class grading systems don't matter.
I could care less either, he could probably have the durability of Mary Jane Watson at this level but the fact he is was koed by Logan. I mean, if you bring up him being koed by the likes of BP then that speak volumes, and it's not like we have not seen Spidey drop crappy jobbers himself, lol
not striking though
That's cool then, BP taking Kalibuk seems weird but I guess some Marvel villains do eventually become jobbers like Sabretooth and Tiger Shark. So it doesn't really surprise me that Kalibuk can be dropped by BP, since he is probably a Z lister villain by now
The author of that instance stated Surfer let him do so.
Still even with that, that still doesn't make sense since BP depowered Surfer and the feat itself just shows even class 100 ton characters can have PIS moments, and Silver Surfer just happens to one of them. I mean the guy at once stage got koed by a sledgehammer from a farmer, lol
I mean that was the missing context so I had to add it in again.
But you didn't have to, since the point of my scan was to show the striking power of Wolverine and maybe when you saw that, you just thought I was saying Wolverine can beat Spidey because of the back-hand strike which is ridiculous.
Now again, this argument doesn't work: repeating yourself with the same bad argument doesn't either, but we'll see that in effect here
You constantly bring up yourself love tapping Mike Tyson to Wolverine love-tapping Spidey and you don't see anything wrong with that logic? You apply real life scenarios to comics which is really funny, you even said yourself that you understand about the metal part being valid. Look at your own posts because it seems to me that you are starting to correct them yourself, lol
Because I actually explained mine with logic and whatnot
Yeah sure...
Then why not use those instances instead of this shitty non-combat instance? You clearly have better options.
Take it up with the writers because you must have missed the part where I said, in many of their fights has Logan given Peter trouble with his strikes. Not just the freaking rooftop fight which oddly you say is crappy (lol), the scans can be viewed online, check them out and witness them yourself. Simple
By the sound of it, Kaine didn't even seem to brace for the shot or expecting this
Weather he was or wasn't is not the point, he was punched on the face and he fell to the ground where he held his jaw. He is obviously stronger than Peter, so if Peter can shrug off punches on the face from the likes of the Punisher then Kaine should do it as well. The point is, he didn't shrugg of the punch from Logan and Logan did not complain that he broke his hand punching a class 30 tonner like Kaine (lol). Yeah, maybe if he was expecting the punch he would have did something about it instead of just standing there like a toddler waiting for a bus leaving school
Again, you can't just dismiss the argument with "IRL/comic" separation. In the same logic, can we just ignore any calc that relies on real life elements or comparisons? I'm not sure anyone would agree with you there.
I'm not even sure what you saying here or trying to prove, you brought up a comic book situation to a real life situation which makes your argument fall flat BIG TIME. The Mike Tyson scenario your so fond of doesn't work because you and him are just human, Logan and Spidey are NOT. Unless if you brought up Aunt May love-tapping Alfred to your Mike Tyson scenario then that would probably work, considering that they both human even if they are from the comic book world (lol).
The point is that love-tapping as a grade for fights is really silly and you should be focusing on fights between the two or direct comparisons. It's a bad instance.
I don't know why you keep missing this, the love-tapping was to show the damage that his adamantuim could do. Let's not pretend that if Peter was punched on the face by Wolverine he would shrug it off like he did with the Punisher (I hope now you are getting the hint as to why I constantly bring up the Punisher, lol). Spidey and Logan have had many fights like I told you before which are many, and in most of them Logan's strikes have hurt Spidey. I did not say, Logan's strikes have koed Peter......I simply said they have hurt Peter, or rather Peter has felt Logan's hits. That was point, so there's no need really to be forward.
On that specific usage of that feat? Yeah, I've seen plenty including you not use it right.
I'm curious to know how I have misused the feats considering that I said they were PIS to begin with, the mere fact is they have happened some where in the world so where you get the idea that I misused them is beyond me.
A boxing match isn't just mindless "me hit you you hit me" shit though. We all know that the sport of boxing doesn't work like that.
Well yeah obviously it doesn't work that way, but we know Logan can take Peter's best punches and still fight him like as if they just started fighting. The street levels that I had mentioned boxing with Spidey obviously would get slaughtered, which was the point that Logan hangs with Peter because of his HF and adamantuim.
Both can soak punches really well and Pete could just hit him with something good enough to KO him given he's bloodlusted, which he's never been against the guy.
Sure but unfortunately for you, in all their fights Peter has never knocked out Wolverine starting with their graveyard fight where Peter couldn't stop Logan from smiling despite blitzing him. The training room session had a pissed off "upgraded" Spidey giving everything he had pounding on Logan and all Logan did was to kneel down and block until Peter exhausted himself. Yeah I'm well aware of how the fight started in the training room but the point I'm making out is that Peter unloaded on Logan to no avail, obviously if Peter dished out haymakers on the likes of DD, Punisher, Kraven, Shang-chi etc like he did to Wolverine in the training room session they would have been pounded to dust (lol)
They aren't though, this is 12 rounds with a minute or so break afterwards. You are also seriously underestimating Peter as well: this is someone who once fought crime 24/7 for multiple days on-end without sleep and food, his only complaint was that he needed to go to the bathroom a lot in the suit.
I already said that Spidey wins this battle, in twelve rounds Logan won't have the reaction time to tag Peter anyways so why are we debating in circles? I said that the only time and I mean ONLY TIME Logan has a shot against Peter is when the fight drags for long because he would have figured out how Peter fights, not to mention Logan will be refreshed thanks to his HF while Peter will start tire out and make mistakes. That's Logan's only chance against Peter if there is no webbing and claws used, since Peter cannot knock him out with his knuckles he could beat Logan via:
a) BFR
b) Dump trucks or other heavy vehicles on him for the win
Pretty sure I have said this
Wolverine doesn't have a feat like that where he's doing something consistently awake without sleep or rest for that long.
Wolverine's HF and Spidey's are not on the same level, while the feat is impressive for Spidey but you seriously can't compare it with Logan's. Logan has fought Omega Red for 17 yours non-stop taking OR's death probes while everyone else in the X-Men where one-shotted even though they meters away from Omega-Red. Wolverine in the Origins issue went for days without sleep and was eating his own arm to survive, where in that issue he took on a fresh Cap (whom he beat), Cyclops and other mutants (can't remember) at the same time. So Peter and Logan when it comes to the HF are just miles apart, Spidey's HF should be on the ranks of Deathrstroke or Beast and even if you say it's not, it's not in Logan's level by any strectch of the imagination
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