The Living Tribunal vs. Yog-Sothoth

The Living Tribunal:

vs.

Yog-Sothoth:

Yog-Sothoth travels to the Marvel universe to conquer and reign for a dark eternity. The Living Tribunal is given to judge him and beat him.

Rules:

- Both characters are at full power

- The fight takes place in the Marvel Universe

Who win this battle?

I think this has been done.

Well, LT was granted Onipotence over all things in Marvel verse by TOAA. So this should awnser the question.

@jackknight Indeed, but this versus has rules.

Well, the exact same thing is stated about Yog-Sothoth. He (much like Living Tribunal) has power over all things in the Lovecraft verse and is second only to Azathoth (TOAA of the Lovecraft verse).

Well if I had to pick a winner I would either go with Living Tribunal or a stalemate.

Stalemate or Yog

Actually, Yog is not omnipotent. We don't really know about lovecraft deities durability and powers because people and aliens are way to afraid to challenge or oppose them. Yog is basically the omniverse, we don't really know like the other deities the extension of his powers (except for Azezoth) Eternity could challenge Yog, Infinity could, but we can't really say that. Even Chtulhu fainted after hit by a steamboat. Assuming Azezoth is on the same level as Beyonder or TOAA and that LT has enough power to manipulate the entire omniverse, the battle would be so explosive that everybody would die and we would never know who won.

I never said Yog was omnipotent because he's not but neither is Living Tribunal.

And no Eternity is absolutely NOTHING compered to Yog-Sothoth, you said it your self Yog is omniversal while Eternity is universal!!!!!!! though Multi-Eternity is multiversal but still nothing compared to Yog-Sothoth.

I wouldn't say Azathoth is exactly on TOAA's level but he is close, I would put Azathoth on the level of guys like Pre-Retcon Beyonder and the Over-Monitor.

stalemate

@jackknight The fight could go either way.

These.

Though if I had to pick a winner I would go with the Living Tribunal but barely.

Stalemate or LT

@jackknight It would be a tough fight for both. Although I share your opinion, I would go for the Living Tribunal but barely and most of all, for the amount of feats to back it up.

LT. He destroys 2 megaverses. Yog Sothoth never showed powers like this.

Stalemate

the living tribunal

Yes he has.

Anyways this is a stalemate.

Yog-Sothoth is pretty much the Lovecraft equivalent of LT as he is second to Azathoth and is omniscient, omnipresent & nigh-omnipotent.

And is essentially the living embodiment of the omniverse.

Living Tribunal

the living tribunal are a megaversal level and yog sothoth are multy-eternity

Living tribunal calls in scathan the approver to stomp!

Yog stomps

@jackknight: PR beyonder is stronger than TOAA. Over monitor is above the prescence

@jiraiya_sageofoil:Pre-Retcon Beyonder is not above TOAA. You must understand that TOAA represent the creative principle and the abrahamic God in-universe as well as the writers out of universe. The mere fact that Beyonder is a character within a marvel story means that he is inferior to TOAA.

Beyonder was retconned and made lesser, the writers and therefore TOAA did that to him.

@gurban: Here is point I did not think of making. You yourself admit that Pre-retcon Beyonder is infinite dimensional, as he is inferior to TOAA it supports TOAA being beyond that.

@01100110: TOAA isn't the Abrahamic God.

PRB was true god of Marvel before TOAA. And he is infinite dimensional. TOAA is a 16-dimensional god.

So PRB > TOAA.

^ My old posts.

@keenko: He is God, as in the omnipotent creator of all things and a singular entity. In-universe he is the deity of the modern monotheistic religions. In other words the abrahamic God.

@gurban: You have absolutely no basis to say that he is 16 dimensional except a setting he is not part of.

PR_Beyonder was not the god of marvel before TOAA, he was an extradimensional visitor from a realm beyond the marvel universe.

What part of TOAA is both God in universe and the writers out of universe is not clear? Beyonder was retconned and is a marvel character, he is inferior by definition.

TOAA has nothing to put him above 16d. "Omnipotence" is still logical black hole.

PRB was the strongest force of Marvel.

Authors are not fictional characters, I repeat it again. So "Authors=TOAA" is not an argument.

Bottomline :-)

@gurban: And PRB was retconned, he was retconned by the writers aka a force above him which is represented in-universe by TOAA.

Writers are not fictional characters, but they are the creative principle behind marvel, TOAA is the in-universe embodiment of said creative principle.

TOAA has no feats full stop, he is omnipotent and like all omnipotent characters feat are not applied to him, it's the reason why beings like him are banned from battles and should not be used. omnipotence is a logical balck hole pretty much by definition.

The abrahamic God in the marvel universe is part of a group called the Council of Godheads. The One Above All in the Marvel universe is a single entity completely separate from that incarnation of God.

@keenko: You are thinking of a skyfather named yahve or something, I mean the abrahamic God as a general term for the deity of monotheistic religions. It can be used like that were I live.

Nah that's your opinion.

Powerwise, PRB > > > > > > > TOAA, LT, HOTU haha.

And Yog overshadows all of them.

@gurban: He never fought TOAA and never shown to be his superior, what with TOAA not being part of the setting except as background to explain its existence.

It's not my opinion. TOAA is the creator of marvel and the creators of marvel are the writers, we were shown this when the Fantastic Four met him and he was represented as Jack Kirby. He is the Creator, the justification for the marvel universe's existence, and therefore the writers who bring marvel to life. Everything that appears within marvel exists because TOAA created it, even PR Beyonder.

@01100110: "Omnipotence" is a debatable thing. PRB has better feats so I put him above TOAA. Its ok.

@gurban: Except PRB is esplicitly inferior as he was created by TOAA and made lesser by the same, for reasons I already explained.

There is no TOAA in PRB's times. He was god of Marvel before TOAA.

@gurban: He was an extradimentioanl visitor from a realm beyond the marvel multiverse, I alredy said this once. TOAA is a creative principle and represents the writers, it always existed since marvel was conceved, it simply never interfered as a character. I explained this already.

Haha, LT was killed by 3 Beyonders.

Yog stomps this match easily.

@011001: so he is beyond Marvel and millions of times stronger than all of Marvel forces combined.

@gurban: Creator not being part of their settings, PRB being retconned, went over this.

I don't think LT has feats to beat Yog

LT never destroy 2 megaverses, it's non-canon

Yog>>>>>>>>>>>>LT (who shitted in front of Beyonder and killed by 3 Beyonders,lol)

@gurban said:

@khael said:

I don't think LT has feats to beat Yog

LT never destroy 2 megaverses, it's non-canon

LMAO

How did I guess who bumped this before even entering?

LT can win here. Has held megaverses in his hands. Lost to Beyonders but maybe Yog would too.

Feats for Yog-Sothoth (Omnipotence statements not withstanding considering omnipotents are banned)?