Spider-man vs Aquaman

aquaman wins round 1 & 2 but with two weeks of prep peter could pull something off in round 3 if he has some knowledge of aquaman.

This user is right y'know.

Martian Manhunter was not in control of his body, and he was resisting that control, so he was waaay below normal power

Aquaman is so all over the place it's not even funny. He's way too inconsistent.

Aquaman wins all 3 rounds

Actually MM was not in control at all.

There was no struggle.

The collective consciousness of Atlantis had taken over and was in full control.

So in other words his physical abilities were intact and in a state of rage.

MM used all of his abilities and was even adapting to different kinds of attack during the battle.

So in other words he was going all out, even if MM would never do that.

I will have to re-read the issue, but I seem to remember MM stomping multiple Atlanteans until Aquaman managed to push him above a lava vent

Aquaman all around.

@bobthened: That is what happened more or less.

But there was no mental struggle.

Just before MM starts attacking he says "I was not ready" and "not me" or smthing.

After that there is not a single panel or line of dialogue suggesting that MM is even resisting.

His body goes full assault utilizing all of his abilities and the spirits that have taken over are in full control, even taunting the Atlanteans.

The only one who can keep up and have an effect is Aquaman using his speed to take him away from the city and force him down a lava vent.

@comicfan11: You're mistaken. When Wonder Woman and Aquaman fought, she wasn't "enraged" and thought him to be an "enemy". She was calmer than you claim and actually called him a friend. She wouldn't need to dodge because she knew he wasn't going to try and kill her, just like she wasn't trying to hurt him, that's why she used the lasso to engage him and not her more dangerous sword.

But it doesnt matter here since these scans alone prove Aquaman is beyond Pete.

@klaus: Still doesn't mean she didn't try to dodge.

She attacked him with the lasso and there was no possible way for her to know how Aquaman would react.

This was not a sparring session.

This was a battleground where thousands of people had already died.

And also WW failed to lasso Aquaman.

If the speed difference was important that wouldn't happen.

Remember she managed to lasso many other super fast characters in the New 52, but not AQ even though she had the element of surprise

I vote old fish-stick man for the win.

@comicfan11: She was standing in one spot the entire time until he charged her. She didn't even try to use her speed to wrap him up or dodge. Why would she? She knows his punch wouldn't hurt her and that he wouldn't use the trident. His speed wasn't why he was able to tag her. She was trying to talk to him and restrain him. He wasn't fast enough to block her punch on the next page once she got serious. They were also standing in water and WW was wearing her bracelets.

Like I said AQ is beyond Spiderman, and he is definitely faster, but not as fast as your making him out to be.

@klaus: Please explain how does WW know what Aquaman is going to do and whether or not he is going to use his Trident.

She believes he has betrayed them, and is actively using her lasso.

What you are suggesting is not supported from the artwork or the writer.

WW is not telepathic or a mind reader.

All we know is she considers AQ a traitor at this point.

And New 52 WW is the most ill tempered member of the JL, as shown by her fight with Green Lantern in an earlier issue.

And again up to that point Atlantis has already killed thousands of people. WW is not just trying to talk to Aquaman, that happened before in the Watchtower

Plus AQ had already grabbed Batman and sent Superman (WW's partner) flying.

If anything AQ is the one showing restraint here, not WW.

And the fact remains that AQ outreacted her when he got out from the Lasso, despite WW attacking when AQ had his back turned.

AQ is not faster than WW.

But he is more than fast enough to tag her some times during combat.

That much is clear.

@namasthetu: no spider-man is a pretty powerful badass. In fact, he is potentially the most powerful street leveler in existence. Either way, the Flash getting hit by a character with deathstroke's speed, in one comic, and then in another, dodging automatic rifles from point blank range, with ease, is indeed a form of PIS.

I never said spider-man would win, i just said that spider-man was superior to deathstroke.

Aquaman swins over.

O_o

Spiderman is well above street level. In the NYC system, the R143 cars weigh about 85,200 pounds, or about 38,600 kilograms. Spiderman has lifted this with little effort, thats like 40 tons.

@comicfan11: Wonder Woman knew Aquaman wasn't going to use the trident to attack her because she still considered him a friend at that point, as stated on panel, and they were still talking to each other during the brawl trying to get each other to see reason. She only got serious later when she said "so will I" and punched him away.

As it happen she is telepathic, but it doesn't work on non soldiers/warriors.

How is he showing more restraint? Thats ridiculous.

We digress from the original point which is that we agree that AQ is beyond spiderman. If you respond to me ill reply in a PM to move the topic out of here.

Rock-quaman beats that red and blue candy ass

-If you smell what The Rock is cooking

@klaus: She might have considered him a friend or something but she didn't know what Aquaman would do. That's ridiculous. This League u to that point didn't have the history the pre 52 version had.

You are just speculating.

Also she IS telepathic but only AFTER she became goddess of War in her own title. She wasn't during ToA. That happened I believe a good 8-9 months later, so it's irrelevant to this fight. So even though she should have an effect on Aquaman, she didn't have that power at the time of ToA.

He is showing more restraint because he wasn't the one to try and lasso someone from behind while he wasn't looking. And up to that point WW was the most volatile member of the League (eg Green Lantern fight).

So as I see it we agree to disagree on the whole AQ/WW thing and agree on the AQ/SpM thing.

Round 1: Aquaman 6/10

Round 2: Aquaman

Round 3: Spider-Man

bump

Aquaman

I should just mention that current version Spiderman is weaker due to having some of his life force drained by Morlun. If Spiderman stays away from water in all forms, he should be able to win this with limited difficulty.

@spiderfan130666: Doesn't matter if its near water or not.

@blackwind: Why?

bump

Aquman 10/10 for a three

Round 3 Spider man wins. The rest, not so much.

I would challenge any user on this forum who's read more combined Spider-Man and Aquaman comics than I.

I love both characters to a fault but trust me when I say this is a mistmatch.

I think aquaman is fast enough and durable enough to tag Spider-Man and eventually kill our K/o him in rounds 1-3. After a long fight Aquaman will take it even in round three

Aquaman stomps all three

@maiamaku: @brobe94: He's not getting him at round 3.

@heatblaze123: what prep feats does he have that would enable him to best Aquaman, who also has prep?

Acid webbing, which is standard btw, Parker Particles, freeze capsules when he gets into the water. Borrow T'challa's dehydration bombs.

@heatblaze123: dunno that acid webbing would do anything, what are Parker particles, I don't think freeze capsules would do much either, and would borrowing those bombs be acceptable under the OP's guideline? Wouldn't that count as outside help?

The Acid webbing got rid of Rhinos thick hide, he can amp himself to ridiculous levels. Why would the freeze capsules not work? It's not like he's asking the Hulk to beat him up.

@heatblaze123: Aquaman is around wonder woman's level of strength, speed, durability, and combat ability. He also has access to Atlantean artifacts and weapons for his prep. Standard equipment is Atlantean scale mail and a magical trident. He is most definitely a powerhouse. Plus, he has a handy healing factor abd powerful telepathy, which everyone seems to be sleeping on.

"Aquaman is around wonder woman's level of strength"

Who told you that lie?

"speed, durability, and combat ability"

LOL!! Not even close.

The telepathy is lackluster currently.

His healing factor is piss poor at best. At least in new 52.

Peter is a genius who has access to a multitude of handy gadgets and equipment.

@heatblaze123: haven't you seen the pictures of Aquaman punching out superman? I'm not saying he's better than WW, just that he's in the same tier. Their durability is about the same, combat speed is about the same, and they're both skilled warriors. WW definitely has the edge in skill, but it's not a huge gap. His healing factor is good enough to heal from shark bites and poison in a panel or two. TP is lackluster, but it's still good enough for a seizure. Also, Peter's gadgets don't compare to the magical and technological items that Aquaman has at his disposal.

@heatblaze123: oops. Forgot WW became a goddess. He was about on par with her at the beginning of the JL series

@heatblaze123: didn't say he KO'd him

Yes, he is

So does WW.

Yeah, it's comparative. Travel speed goes to WW hands down though.

Yeah. They are.

Didn't the dead king stab him with....magical weapons?

EDIT: missed the last one.

They can't.

Parker Particles> atlantean magic.

Hahahaha...oh please...Aquaman is top tier...

Round 1: Not sure, prolly Arthur

Round 2: I dunno, a morals off Peter can tear bitches up, but I think Arthur can take it.

Round 3: Peter

@heatblaze123: get back to me on that one. I won't be able to post scans. On the meantime, prove that Parker particles are superior to Atlantean magic.