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Poll Nobu (Netflix) vs Oliver queen (arrow) (72 votes)

Round 1 Nobu 33%
Round 1 Oliver 18%
Round 2 Nobu 17%
Round 2 Oliver 32%

Round 1 h2h only.

Round 2 standard gear.

In character to the death.

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#51  Edited By TheNaughtyTitan

@jayskee said:

@thenaughtytitan:

Yeah he did. He did it when Madame Gao's men at the end of season 1.

Do you have a video and if not what's the specific episode/time? It's probably aim dodging.

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@jayskee said:

@thenaughtytitan:

It was episode 12 of the first season.

Okay I did a bit of sifting through the episode and all I saw was......... wait for it......... aim dodging.

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@thenaughtytitan:

It was not aim dodging and even if it was why is that not a bullet timing feat. You're still dogding a bullet.

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I think Nobu can take round 1, it would be difficult but he can do it. I do think Arrow would win 6-7/10 round 2 because of his trick arrows but it would be tough to get past Nobu's chain weapon. Normally Ollie fires a couple of arrows at the beginning of a fight and if that doesn't work he transitions to H2H. If he does that he stands no chance of getting past Nobu's chain weapon but if he sticks to his arrows and stays patient he can pull it off.

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#56  Edited By TheNaughtyTitan

@jayskee said:

@thenaughtytitan:

It was not aim dodging and even if it was why is that not a bullet timing feat. You're still dogding a bullet.

You're dodging the shooters aim so the bullet doesn't hit you. Hence why it's called aim dodging, which isn't bullet timing. I see no reason to believe Matt is capable of bullet timing when he's never been shown to directly dodge a bullet, and he's been tagged by bullets head on.

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@thenaughtytitan:

The only times Matt got tagged by bullets was when the punisher shot him and at the end of season 2.

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@jayskee said:

@thenaughtytitan:

It was episode 12 of the first season.

Okay I did a bit of sifting through the episode and all I saw was......... wait for it......... aim dodging.

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@jayskee said:

@thenaughtytitan:

The only times Matt got tagged by bullets was when the punisher shot him and at the end of season 2.

From this are you concluding that he is still capable of bullet timing, despite being tagged when he was unable to avoid the shooters aim? That'd be wrong. He's simply never bullet timed.

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@thenaughtytitan:

Just because he got tagged twice out of the many other times that he's been shot at does not mean he's not a bullet timer. Green Arrow cw has been tagged by bullets yet no one makes that arguement for him.

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@jayskee said:

@thenaughtytitan:

Just because he got tagged twice out of the many other times that he's been shot at does not mean he's not a bullet timer. Green Arrow cw has been tagged by bullets yet no one makes that arguement for him.

Don't strawman me. That's not the only point i'm making. He's simply never shown outright that he's dodging the bullet rather than the aim. And if you actually look at the gifs in question the aim of the gun is clearly not focused on him. In the 1st gif the guy shoots at the ground and then at the ceiling. Please tell me how Matt is bullet timing in that scene. Please. In the second gif he's moving so that the shooter can't get a clear shot on him. There's nothing that leads me to believe he did anything more than aim dodge.

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@thenaughtytitan:

The guy in the first one was shotting at Matt, he just aimed lower. When Matt jumped higher so did his aim. And in the second one that guy was had a clear shot at Matt. He dodged the bullets. Why are we even talking about this? This is a Nobu vs Green Arrow debate.

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@jayskee said:

@thenaughtytitan:

The guy in the first one was shotting at Matt, he just aimed lower. When Matt jumped higher so did his aim. And in the second one that guy was had a clear shot at Matt. He dodged the bullets. Why are we even talking about this? This is a Nobu vs Green Arrow debate.

Whether this is bullet dodging or aim dodging it is more impressive than anything I've seen from arrow.

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Anyway Oliver wins.

Agree with this, and your point about inconsistancy.

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@jayskee said:

@thenaughtytitan:

The guy in the first one was shotting at Matt, he just aimed lower. When Matt jumped higher so did his aim. And in the second one that guy was had a clear shot at Matt. He dodged the bullets. Why are we even talking about this? This is a Nobu vs Green Arrow debate.

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This is a clear showing of bullet timing.

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Matt's feats are far from clear showings of bullet timing. Like i've already explained all signs point to aim dodging, but I think it's clear your mind is already made up.

Why are we even talking about this? This is a Nobu vs Green Arrow debate.

You made the claim and I responded to it. Anyway there's no reason to continue this discussion. It's derailing the thread at this point and there isn't anything to substantiate the bullet timing claims. Agree to disagree I guess.

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@jayskee: Wow so you're claiming Matt is faster than an arrow even tho he heard Stick started running before the shot was fired...comparing that to Arrow deflecting 3 Arrows at once and dodging arrows with his back turned after they have been fired

No he doesn't dodge a bullet either. He heard the gun being cocked and tripped a guy and took off. Again this is no thing compared to having 3 turrets with auto targeting and motion sensors already locked on to you and dodging it's fire.

The Punisher gunned down 37 men in a long killing spree....from afar outside of danger. Arrow took down 21 men in one scene.

Matts not a bullet timer and you're argument is self defeating. Matt can move faster than bullets but not if he's fighting a good shooter???

Nobu is a jobber. The hand are jobbers. Matt is a jobber for being beaten on by bikers.

Get a real argument im sick of these mcu fanboys with jobber jobber that ...when matt stops getting beta on by the mob and fat boy fisk and bikers you can call someone a jobber.

First of all Anarky is a hive assassin. Anarky deflect. Arrows shot at his face. Anarky was hired by Chyna White the top assassin in the Chinese triad. Anarky is known all over the world as an assassin. The only man to ever hunt down Damien Darhk when Ras and all of The League couldn't do. Wtf has Nobu done???

How is it bikers and irish mob gives oliver trouble and you're talking about a man who hunted down someone ras couldn't find and is a world class assassin. Brilliant.

Elektra took down hand ninjas who worshiped her like a god one going so far as to kneel and let her kill him.

The hand are not better than the league in any way shape or form.

Lmfao matt a better fighter than Arrow? Do you hear yourself? When matt can go through a biker gang without nearly dying let me know. Til then

The Head of the Demon Al Sa Him wins.

Let me just draw attention to you saying DD beat some guys who beat up a couple of cops and "men" with no feats. Really?

-John Healey who was able to beat two men in 5 seconds and demonstrated skill in Muay Thai and Eskrima.

Compared To Ras Al Ghul who beat Thea Queen with one hand and killed 8 league ninajs at the same time in 10 seconds. Vs the man who fought arrow without a weapon and just took his.

https://youtu.be/2WdS2I6TR0A

https://youtu.be/igY1-lJEpmk

https://youtu.be/Q0dGosqlo60

https://youtu.be/aNUYhfvKD5Q

https://youtu.be/mIRU13vdqhE

Compared to mr blank killing with pressure points

https://youtu.be/9jXaRFNd0pA

https://youtu.be/5W5pupNQ32c

-He took down Rance who was better than Constantine Drakon. He beats 5 cops while handcuffed

"You're zipp cuffed to that chair"

https://youtu.be/5wYYsC_4ezM

Vs Arrow who escaped the entire SCPD on foot.

Roy harper handcuffed

https://youtu.be/teEL2zHnUmg

Stick who kidnapped by 6 hand ninja.

And arrow has taken out people who run down cars catch arrows tank bullets and punch through titanium and reinforced steel that bombs can't damage.

https://youtu.be/dDnhgf8auHA

https://youtu.be/LC1l7IGYzqk

https://youtu.be/XmKwV7-r9jo

Arrow stomps

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@jayskee: Wow so you're claiming Matt is faster than an arrow even tho he heard Stick started running before the shot was fired...comparing that to Arrow deflecting 3 Arrows at once Cause Matt can't casually snatch arrows out of the air or catch them... oh, wait he can, and dodging arrows with his back turned after they have been fired he noticed the shooter before hand

No he doesn't dodge a bullet either. He heard the gun being cocked and tripped a guy and took off. Yeah, that and he flipped towards people through automatic gunfire, but why mention his good feats? Again this is no thing compared to having 3 turrets with auto targeting and motion sensors already locked on to you and dodging it's fire. turrets with a limited range of motion you can get out of you mean?

The Punisher gunned down 37 men in a long killing spree....from afar outside of danger. Arrow took down 21 men in one scene. He also killed like ten with a knife, gunned down like six in an instant, keeps going with bullet holes and drills.

Matts not a bullet timer and you're argument is self defeating. Matt can move faster than bullets but not if he's fighting a good shooter???

Nobu is a jobber. True he jobbed to Matt once, despite having proven himself better generally. The hand are jobbers. No, they are just not as good as Matt Matt is a jobber for being beaten on by bikers. He beats them

Get a real argument im sick of these mcu fanboys with jobber jobber that fodder, darling you're the only one saying jobber here. ...when matt stops getting beta on by the mob and fat boy fisk and bikers you can call someone a jobber. He didn't lose any of those fights...

First of all Anarky is a hive assassin. Anarky deflect. Arrows shot at his face. Anarky was hired by Chyna White the top assassin in the Chinese triad. And she has done nothing comparable to Matt Anarky is known all over the world as an assassin. If you're well known as an assassin you're doing something wrong... The only man to ever hunt down Damien Darhk when Ras and all of The League couldn't do. Wtf has Nobu done??? Coming back to live, beat Matt, killed elektra, you know combat related stuff.

How is it bikers and irish mob gives oliver trouble, gee Oliver let himself go, isn't your main argument how that happens to Matt? and you're talking about a man who hunted down someone ras couldn't find and is a world class assassin. Brilliant. Cause Anarky doesn't have the feats to much Matt?

Elektra took down hand ninjas who worshiped her like a god one going so far as to kneel and let her kill him. And before that she took them down, when they were still trying to kill her and only got cut, when Matt distracted her.

The hand are not better than the league in any way shape or form. Except in pretty much every way shape and form.

Lmfao matt a better fighter than Arrow? Do you hear yourself? When matt can go through a biker gang without nearly dying let me know. Til then Funny because he actually went through a lot more than that before.

The Head of the Demon Al Sa Him wins. Al Sa Him? Al Sa Him, who struggled with diggle?, Al Sa Him who run from Laurel?, Al Sa Him who got his ass kicked by the lamest metahuman in the world?

Let me just draw attention to you saying DD beat some guys who beat up a couple of cops and "men" with no feats. Really? Buddy nobody arrow beat has feats beyond beating featless fodder or other people that beat featless fodder. Defeating featless fodder is generally one of the things peoples abilities are judged on on.

-John Healey who was able to beat two men in 5 seconds and demonstrated skill in Muay Thai and Eskrima.

Compared To Ras Al Ghul who beat Thea Queen with one hand and killed 8 league ninajs at the same time in 10 seconds. Vs the man who fought arrow without a weapon and just took his. You're arguing for arrow... this guy is better than arrow. And yes, he had him on his knees when arrow suprised him. He is still better than arrow, Arrow just managed to beat someone better than him. He wouldn't take a majority.

https://youtu.be/2WdS2I6TR0A

https://youtu.be/igY1-lJEpmk

https://youtu.be/Q0dGosqlo60

https://youtu.be/aNUYhfvKD5Q

https://youtu.be/mIRU13vdqhE

Compared to mr blank killing with pressure points That doesn't make him a better fighter, it means he knows some fictional pressure point on the wrist. You can tell that, because he got his asskicked. Its actually pretty comparable to the healy fight. The hero has the advantage throughout gets in trouble for a moment and wins by stabbing the assassin with a sharp object.

https://youtu.be/9jXaRFNd0pA

https://youtu.be/5W5pupNQ32c

-He took down Rance who was better than Constantine Drakon. He beats 5 cops while handcuffed

"You're zipp cuffed to that chair" Yeah, after freeing himself Oliver fought them not while tied up. Its also less people.

https://youtu.be/5wYYsC_4ezM

Vs Arrow who escaped the entire SCPD on foot. right the police never chased daredevil, while he was nursing some russian mobster.

Roy harper handcuffed thats a nasty cut... Daredevil got blown up shortly before, just in case you forgot.

https://youtu.be/teEL2zHnUmg

Stick who kidnapped by 6 hand ninja.

And arrow has taken out people who run down cars catch arrows tank bullets and punch through titanium and reinforced steel that bombs can't damage. Actually he hasn't beaten them in a fight... Your videos show pretty clearly he needs to hit them with bombs, which he can't due here, because nobu is a lot harder to hit and he doesn't even have these in round 1.

https://youtu.be/dDnhgf8auHA

https://youtu.be/LC1l7IGYzqk

https://youtu.be/XmKwV7-r9jo

Arrow stomps nobody.

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First of all Anarky was a mob enforcer, he's not some master assassin. Nobu and the hand are not jobbers. The league is though. Matt that entire gang. No one compared Ra's to Healey.

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@jayskee: Wow so you're claiming Matt is faster than an arrow even tho he heard Stick started running before the shot was fired...comparing that to Arrow deflecting 3 Arrows at once and dodging arrows with his back turned after they have been fired

No he doesn't dodge a bullet either. He heard the gun being cocked and tripped a guy and took off. Again this is no thing compared to having 3 turrets with auto targeting and motion sensors already locked on to you and dodging it's fire.

The Punisher gunned down 37 men in a long killing spree....from afar outside of danger. Arrow took down 21 men in one scene.

Matts not a bullet timer and you're argument is self defeating. Matt can move faster than bullets but not if he's fighting a good shooter???

Nobu is a jobber. The hand are jobbers. Matt is a jobber for being beaten on by bikers.

Get a real argument im sick of these mcu fanboys with jobber jobber that ...when matt stops getting beta on by the mob and fat boy fisk and bikers you can call someone a jobber.

First of all Anarky is a hive assassin. Anarky deflect. Arrows shot at his face. Anarky was hired by Chyna White the top assassin in the Chinese triad. Anarky is known all over the world as an assassin. The only man to ever hunt down Damien Darhk when Ras and all of The League couldn't do. Wtf has Nobu done???

How is it bikers and irish mob gives oliver trouble and you're talking about a man who hunted down someone ras couldn't find and is a world class assassin. Brilliant.

Elektra took down hand ninjas who worshiped her like a god one going so far as to kneel and let her kill him.

The hand are not better than the league in any way shape or form.

Lmfao matt a better fighter than Arrow? Do you hear yourself? When matt can go through a biker gang without nearly dying let me know. Til then

The Head of the Demon Al Sa Him wins.

Let me just draw attention to you saying DD beat some guys who beat up a couple of cops and "men" with no feats. Really?

-John Healey who was able to beat two men in 5 seconds and demonstrated skill in Muay Thai and Eskrima.

Compared To Ras Al Ghul who beat Thea Queen with one hand and killed 8 league ninajs at the same time in 10 seconds. Vs the man who fought arrow without a weapon and just took his.

https://youtu.be/2WdS2I6TR0A

https://youtu.be/igY1-lJEpmk

https://youtu.be/Q0dGosqlo60

https://youtu.be/aNUYhfvKD5Q

https://youtu.be/mIRU13vdqhE

Compared to mr blank killing with pressure points

https://youtu.be/9jXaRFNd0pA

https://youtu.be/5W5pupNQ32c

-He took down Rance who was better than Constantine Drakon. He beats 5 cops while handcuffed

"You're zipp cuffed to that chair"

https://youtu.be/5wYYsC_4ezM

Vs Arrow who escaped the entire SCPD on foot.

Roy harper handcuffed

https://youtu.be/teEL2zHnUmg

Stick who kidnapped by 6 hand ninja.

And arrow has taken out people who run down cars catch arrows tank bullets and punch through titanium and reinforced steel that bombs can't damage.

https://youtu.be/dDnhgf8auHA

https://youtu.be/LC1l7IGYzqk

https://youtu.be/XmKwV7-r9jo

Arrow stomps

no one stomps in this battle it's very close.

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#75  Edited By Willow_The_Red

@jayskee:

First of all stop repeating bs you heard other people say. If you didn't watch you didnt watch.

Anarky was an assassin working for Hive. And he was the enforcer of Chyna Whites triad. Same as she and Bronze Tiger were.

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#76  Edited By jayskee

@willow_the_red:

I'm saying things that make sense.

And just because Anarky worked for hive does not make him a master assassin.

Also he is not the same as China White, who led the triads, and Bronze tiger.

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Young Metro don't trust Ollie...

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Nobu should win in pure H2H for a slim majority. Standard gear depends on whether or not Nobu would be able to dodge Oliver's initial arrows, but if it came down to CQC, Nobu could take it again due to his unorthodox chain weapon. Oliver has shown a vulnerability to unorthodox weapons (Anarky).

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Oliver stomps both rounds. This isn't fair at all.

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Oliver both rounds

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Oliver handily

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Oliver.

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#88  Edited By The_Justiciar

Nobu's more physical and a bit better in skill, since Oliver lacks h2h feats. Nobu should win.

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Oliver kills him.

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I hate it when so many fighters with highily versatile sets of skills in combat do not get one fight scene that will demonstrate their full arsenal. Some have, and these are my favourite fight scenes too. Green Arrow is one of those characters. Fortunately, I don't care much about him as a fighter and he's not nearly as impressive on my book as most people want him to be, but these fighters' collections of showings feel incomplete without them. Ollie's got 6 seasons of feats and not one sequence like that, it's just not cool.

OT: He beats down Nobu, R2 in particular is not close.

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Oliver both rounds, Nobu’s only legit advantage is striking.

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@anthp2000:

Nobu is a better fighter. He's faster, stronger, and clearly possesses a high-pain tolerance.

How can you say Ollie wins when you just mentioned that he has no sequences like the ones Nobu has.

If you don't care.... why are you voting for the under-dog?

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Oliver has every advantage in the book besides striking

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Nobu both Rounds.

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Nobu is been more overrated than Oliver, Matt or Rogers lmfao.

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Oliver for both.

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Nobu is way more skilled and so much faster