Grail. Stomping the rest of the justice league is really all the feats she needs, especially since Shazam is basically just as powerful as superman and wonder woman is close, and she beat both of them.
This really should wait until we've seen more than one issue of Grail. Sure she seems similar in power to WW, with something similar to Omega Beams, but she took out Flash and both lanterns by plot and suckered Shazam. The only characters she clearly beat were Batman and Cyborg, and it's not like Superman would have any trouble with either of them.
In reality: Probably Grail. She has weapons sharp enough to cut Shazam up and that would probably to the same to Superman. Plus she soloed a majority of the Justice League a feat I don't think Superman could replicate. Plus Omega Beams.
@sly_141: Superman did manage to beat Flash, Green Lantern & Batman. I think he could get the jump on Cyborg, Power Girl & Shazam as well. Wonder Woman is a problem.
@kfabz-23: Yeah WW would give Superman trouble on her own and Grail managed to take on her,Shazam, GL, Batman, and Cyborg. She even manged to break WW's bracelets somehow.
Also, Superman got KO'd by Darkseid omega beams. Seeing as how Grails broke wonder woman's bracelets her beams are at least as powerful. And what all this talk about grail only really beating cyborg and batman? No, she really beat ALL of them.
@sly_141: Superman did manage to beat Flash, Green Lantern & Batman. I think he could get the jump on Cyborg, Power Girl & Shazam as well. Wonder Woman is a problem.
@sly_141: Superman did manage to beat Flash, Green Lantern & Batman. I think he could get the jump on Cyborg, Power Girl & Shazam as well. Wonder Woman is a problem.
Not how I remember it...
Why is aquaman flying in this picture? Or is he just jumping really far from that black abyss in the background?
@sly_141: Superman did manage to beat Flash, Green Lantern & Batman. I think he could get the jump on Cyborg, Power Girl & Shazam as well. Wonder Woman is a problem.
Not how I remember it...
Why is aquaman flying in this picture? Or is he just jumping really far from that black abyss in the background?
@username12345: well he was. Green Lantern was struggling big time hence why he called Flash. Flash was playing around with Superman but he couldn't hurt him, Superman adapted to Flash's speed dealt with him with a flick of his finger. Superman would just have to hit the ground really hard to take Flash out for a while.
Cyborg wouldn't be much trouble and you know it. Shazam doesn't have enough feats to compete with Superman. The combination of Aquaman and Wonder Woman hmm maybe.
Grail. Stomping the rest of the justice league is really all the feats she needs, especially since Shazam is basically just as powerful as superman and wonder woman is close, and she beat both of them.
I agree with this except for New 52 Shazam being as powerful as Superman, or Wonder Woman. Based on feats and implied power they outclass him.
@username12345: @jayc1324: Just letting you guys know that Grail didn't destroy indestructible bracelets. Diana was wearing different bracelets in JL #41. Basically her whole costume is different. Her indestructible bracelets are the ones she wore when she fought Darkseid. Also the magic bullet didn't break those ones, it was a love bullet that went through the bracelets and into WW to make her love Hades. They are incorporeal and don't actually physically pierce things.
@username12345: @jayc1324: Just letting you guys know that Grail didn't destroy indestructible bracelets. Diana was wearing different bracelets in JL #41. Basically her whole costume is different. Her indestructible bracelets are the ones she wore when she fought Darkseid. Also the magic bullet didn't break those ones, it was a love bullet that went through the bracelets and into WW to make her love Hades. They are incorporeal and don't actually physically pierce things.
They were the same bracelets; Grail even says Diana is stronger without them after breaking them. The difference is just the artist's interpretation; look at the recent Wonder Woman annual, her bracelets there are different as well from how they looked when Lee was drawing them. No one draws them consistently.
@saren: They were different. The reason WW wears any bracelets in the first place is to dampen her power. It is likely that she has several (she wore several different ones during Azz's run) different bracelets just like the many swords she has. And just like her swords only one (sword) pair are likely indestructible. And Faboks designs are not just an interpretation of her normal bracers, they different in every way.
Oh and Grail asked "you're stronger without them aren't you?" but Diana didn't enter god-mode. I think its because the leather from her bracelets were still on.
@wolfrazer: @cgoodness:New 52 WW has different bracelets and different swords she uses depending the occasion as it has been shown already. The bracelets that grail broke were not the unbreakable bracelets of victory. The unbreakable bracelets are the ones she used to stop Darkseid omega beam and they did it with no difficulty. Also the magic bullet didn't break those ones, it was a love bullet that went through the bracelets and into WW. They are incorporeal and don't actually physically pierce things.
Did you seriously just copy parts of my comment and use them a few hours after I wrote it?
@terry2012: boomtubed her way out of Flash's mouth, easily dispatched Batman, was messing Cyborg up and nearly killed Billy Batson, until Wonder Woman came to the rescue. She was able to break WW's bracelets.
@terry2012: boomtubed her way out of Flash's mouth, easily dispatched Batman, was messing Cyborg up and nearly killed Billy Batson, until Wonder Woman. She was able to break WW's bracelets.
@saren: They were different. The reason WW wears any bracelets in the first place is to dampen her power. It is likely that she has several (she wore several different ones during Azz's run) different bracelets just like the many swords she has. And just like her swords only one (sword) pair are likely indestructible. And Faboks designs are not just an interpretation of her normal bracers, they different in every way.
Oh and Grail asked "you're stronger without them aren't you?" but Diana didn't enter god-mode. I think its because the leather from her bracelets were still on.
Please do not bore me with your fan-fiction. I do not care what you think is likely. Please show me where exactly Wonder Woman had said she has one pair of indestructible bracelets or one atom-splitting sword and several others that she just wears because they're fashionable or whatever, or that any given pair of bracelets on her wrists will instantly damper her power just by being there. The bracelets that she wore during Doomed were different as well, as were the ones she wore during Throne of Atlantis. Artists do not care about the minute details of tiny objects on a character's wrists. This whole deal about different accessories for Wonder Woman is largely just fan-invented nonsense to cover up the fact that no one portrays or treats her artifacts in a uniform way.
I'm pretty sure it's because they weren't completely destroyed. You can still see a part of the metal on her palm when Grail tackles her after shattering the bracelets.
Superman. Everyone forgets that Grail sucker punched Billy after Billy tossed Grail across the room; and Superman > Billy.
Also, Grail isn't as powerful as some people want her to be. Darkseid would still slaughter her, that's why she sided with Anti-Monitor--she knows she can't beat Darkseid.
@night_raven: agreed. Needs more feats, although according to interviews I've read it seems like she'll be quite the powerhouse. She had a great first showing though.
Honestly, first fights against new villains should not be taken to series for power levels, they are always played up to make the whole situation feel more threatening. Maybe Grail is gonna be capable of taking on the entire Justice League in the future, but lets not forget Orm pretty much stomped the Justice League during his first appeareance and at the end of the storyline Aquaman beat him by himself.
Honestly, first fights against new villains should not be taken to series for power levels, they are always played up to make the whole situation feel more threatening. Maybe Grail is gonna be capable of taking on the entire Justice League in the future, but lets not forget Orm pretty much stomped the Justice League during his first appeareance and at the end of the storyline Aquaman beat him by himself.
Eh I'm not sure they'll nerf Grail by that much, I mean she's waging war on Darkseid and all that I mean yeah she's having the Anti-Monitor's help and all but considering how powerful Darkseid is, not surprising.
Not saying she can't be nerfed, but they seem to be touting Grail up as a big bad and it's not like she didn't show her power before with wrecking Metron on his chair and even damaging the chair when the Anti-Monitor couldn't do so. Plus noted as a planetary threat.
She can be nerfed yes though.
Who knows what's gonna happen though, what other powers or equipment she gets and all that...we really gotta see more of her to get a concrete look.
Please do not bore me with your fan-fiction. I do not care what you think is likely. Please show me where exactly Wonder Woman had said she has one pair of indestructible bracelets or one atom-splitting sword and several others that she just wears because they're fashionable or whatever, or that any given pair of bracelets on her wrists will instantly damper her power just by being there. The bracelets that she wore during Doomed were different as well, as were the ones she wore during Throne of Atlantis. Artists do not care about the minute details of tiny objects on a character's wrists. This whole deal about different accessories for Wonder Woman is largely just fan-invented nonsense to cover up the fact that no one portrays or treats her artifacts in a uniform way.
I'm pretty sure it's because they weren't completely destroyed. You can still see a part of the metal on her palm when Grail tackles her after shattering the bracelets.
Oh how very hypocritical of you. You tell me not to bore you with fan-fiction when I claimed that Wonder Woman has more than one pair of bracelets (we are both speculating here) and that she has several swords and only one atom-splitting sword ( a FACT shown in throne of Atlantis where she opens her cabinet on the watch tower and we see different armor and several swords), yet you claim the bracelets are the same with no actual proof yourself.
If you look at all the interpretations of Dianas bracelets, almost all artists depict them as silver metal bracelets that encase her arm or wrist. The differences are usually in length and some lines added as details. Faboks design is very different from all other artists in that his Wonder Woman isn't wearing bracelets, she is wearing gauntlets. several plates of metal layered on top one another on only the front of the arm, attached to the leather of the gauntlet. There is a distinction between having an interpretation of something and drawing something entirely different.
And yeah I figured the leather still on WW after being shattered were still keeping her power restrained.
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