@shawnbaby said:
@rogueshadow said:
@shawnbaby: Jack Gleeson is in his twenties but Joffrey is 17, Carl is 14. I always thought that was a gambit, he knew full well Rodrick wouldn't let him use steel, so to not lose face and appear badass he claimed to want to use steel, but there is no real answer to that, though his general cowardice throughout the series makes it highly likely.
Anyway like I said I actually think that book beats comic, since Carl is 9, but TV versions Carl win, there is only 3 years in it. He'd probably gouge his eyes out or bash his skull with a rock. Going in afraid won't make a difference and I think he would be, Joffrey's been intimidated by Tyrion & Arya [I know it was with Nymeria, but he was legitimately afraid of her too, begging her not to harm him]. Carl's dealing with walkers on a daily basis, Joffrey's a sadistic tyrant who commands other to do violence for him & who hasn't fought for anything a day in his life
Joffrey is older than 17 in the show. As far as the thing about him using real steel...that's just your theory. Joffrey, especially at that point in time, does not think of himself as a coward. As regards the incident with Arya...that was after Nymeria attacked him and Arya had his sword. Had the wolf not been there and Arya was unarmed...he would not have been pissing himself. Carl is unarmed.
Walkers are slow and mindless. Dealing with them takes no real skill. The first walker Carl came across alone was stuck in the mud and it still scared him. You mock Joffrey's lack of fighting...but Carl hasn't done anything of note without his Gun.
He is 17. His 17th nameday was at the beginning of season 2, and we know it's been less than a year since Dany got her Dragons. Yeah, that's my theory, but it's highly likely considering the general way Joffrey was portrayed throughout the rest of the series. Regardless I think book version beats comics. I disagree, He would have been terrified of Arya with just a sword in my opinion, like I said, he's intimidated by Tyrion, Carl wouldn't have been scared of Arya with a sword, and if Tyrion had slapped him, Carl probably would have stabbed him in the eye.
Walkers are less dangerous than humans, but they are worth more than nothing, which is exactly wheat Joffrey has. Carl's progressed massively since Dale's death, he's gone into he tombs by himself to investigate a noise & went to find medical supplies by himself. Joffrey has done nothing that shows guts, toughness or physical ability/skill, he is the same mentally that he was in season 1. I agree about the fact Carl has no h2h, but neither of them do, this debate is really just speculation, there is actually no tangible substance to debate in terms of h2h feats, but Carl is more ruthless, tougher & battle hardened.
Carl is actually very good with his gun, he pretty much always hits anything he aims for close up, even whilst running away, and he shot at the Woodbury attacker from very far away, he didn't hit him but all of his shots were within a few feet, that is actually really difficult at that distance with just a handgun such as his, but that doesn't really make a difference since they have no guns.
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