Is The Dark Knight Returns the best Batman graphic novel ever

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#1 Posted by comicdude23 (11399 posts) - - Show Bio

Just read it. Has to be, it made Batman BADASS and it's way better than stuff like Hush, honestly that crap is overrated. TDKR (Returns not Rises) was the most badass Batman ever.

#2 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (32993 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm gonna say no IMO

#3 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29499 posts) - - Show Bio

It's awesome, but not the best.

#4 Posted by The_Tree (7250 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd say no, but it's an alright story. I think RIP is the best, but that's just my opinion.

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#5 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio

No.  
 
RIP features a more badass Batman, and is just better overall.

#6 Posted by Billy Batson (57903 posts) - - Show Bio

It's one of them.
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#7 Posted by thephantomstranger (129 posts) - - Show Bio

@Billy Batson said:

It's one of them.
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This.

Also I personally rank Year One over this...mostly because it does less to remind that Frank Miller is writing it...

#8 Posted by Billy Batson (57903 posts) - - Show Bio

@thephantomstranger said:

@Billy Batson said:

It's one of them.
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This.

Also I personally rank Year One over this...mostly because it does less to remind that Frank Miller is writing it...

I would rank TDKR over Year One.
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#9 Posted by Deranged Midget (17599 posts) - - Show Bio

No, personally, it's not even close to being one of the best. It's definitely a good one though.

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#10 Posted by DeathpooltheT1000 (10020 posts) - - Show Bio

Saddly it haves some thing that ruins the whole experience, it sould have being better.

#11 Posted by BatWatch (2558 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicdude23: It was a pretty good story, but I wouldn't say its the best interpretation ever. Miller shocked the system enough to turn Batman into a much darker character, and to that we owe him a great deal of gratitude, but I like his modern interpretation much better.

#12 Posted by TheGoldenOne (38849 posts) - - Show Bio
@Billy Batson said:

It's one of them.
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#13 Posted by Gambit1024 (9890 posts) - - Show Bio

No. Sure, it was the one to make Batman a threat again (and that's an excellent achivement), but there have been better Batman stories. In my opinion, The Killing Joke is the best.

#14 Posted by Zomboid (740 posts) - - Show Bio

As others have said, the graphic novel carried a lot of significance, and it deserves a lot of credit. However, it's not the best, though it's pretty high up there. There's been better stories over the years.

#15 Edited by Spectre108 (269 posts) - - Show Bio

No, The Dark Knight Strikes Again is way better

#16 Posted by Video_Martian (5645 posts) - - Show Bio

NO. The Killing Joke was much better overall.

and Year One is overrated.

#17 Posted by DeathpooltheT1000 (10020 posts) - - Show Bio

I am the only one that think, that TDKR is better that a Killing Joke?

#18 Posted by The Man of Yesteryear (5502 posts) - - Show Bio

@mr.obvious: Yeah, I liked The Killing Joke better also.

#19 Posted by Video_Martian (5645 posts) - - Show Bio

@The Man of Yesteryear said:

@mr.obvious: Yeah, I liked The Killing Joke better also.

Best Joker story ever written, imo.

#20 Posted by gamrr (1 posts) - - Show Bio

Iam also of the view that "The Killing Joke" is better than the rest, also checkout the "Arkham Asylum" novel which I also find very interesting.

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#21 Posted by SuperShafe (470 posts) - - Show Bio

Nope , Not a Frank Miller fan. I'd say Hungry City or Long Halloween.

#22 Posted by TurianAgent (60 posts) - - Show Bio

As great as TDKR is, and how much it changed the comic industry along with other books like Watchmen, Long Halloween is still probably the best Batman story arc ever written.

#23 Posted by spartan92 (2520 posts) - - Show Bio

It wasn't that bad but i preferred Year One.

#24 Posted by Billy Batson (57903 posts) - - Show Bio

The Killing Joke is overrated.
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#25 Posted by RoboShark (1208 posts) - - Show Bio

Killing Joke and DKR are way overrated.

#26 Posted by RainEffect (3240 posts) - - Show Bio

I loved The Long Halloween.

#27 Posted by Saren (25553 posts) - - Show Bio

Year One and TDKR are overrated.

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#28 Posted by DeathpooltheT1000 (10020 posts) - - Show Bio

@Billy Batson said:

The Killing Joke is overrated.
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@RoboShark said:

Killing Joke and DKR are way overrated.

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#29 Posted by MatchesMalone2012 (23 posts) - - Show Bio

Under the hood is the best in my opinion

#30 Posted by Deranged Midget (17599 posts) - - Show Bio

@Deranged Midget said:

No, personally, it's not even close to being one of the best. It's definitely a good one though.

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#31 Posted by LuigiBat (225 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd feel inclined to say that the influence the book has had on subsequent interpretations of the character outweighs its actual quality on the whole.

#32 Posted by BlackPookie (640 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicdude23: NO its not... the best are year one, the long halloween, dark victory, hush, etc...

#33 Posted by Onemoreposter (4004 posts) - - Show Bio

TDKR is a great read and while "best" or not is a matter of opinion, I think it's certainly the most influential.

#34 Posted by sinestro_GL (3121 posts) - - Show Bio

It's a matter of preference.

Personally, The Long Halloween is my favourite

#35 Edited by comicdude23 (11399 posts) - - Show Bio

@BlackPookie said:

@comicdude23: NO its not... the best are year one, the long halloween, dark victory, hush, etc...

Year One was pretty lame. Batman Begins was a better origin story.

#36 Posted by BlackPookie (640 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicdude23: for you! its such a nice story... how it all started

#37 Posted by comicdude23 (11399 posts) - - Show Bio

@BlackPookie said:

@comicdude23: for you! its such a nice story... how it all started

Batman Begins was a better origin story. Y1 IMO was good in the day but not now, I mean he couldn't handle S.W.A.T, Batman in the movies took an army of them.

#38 Posted by BlackPookie (640 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicdude23: well, batman begins isnt a comic... how can you compare??? and the beauty in that is that a man is capable of great things, but has to start learning before...

#39 Posted by comicdude23 (11399 posts) - - Show Bio

@BlackPookie said:

@comicdude23: well, batman begins isnt a comic... how can you compare??? and the beauty in that is that a man is capable of great things, but has to start learning before...

I'm comparing the origins.

#40 Posted by johnkmccubbin91 (3486 posts) - - Show Bio

I didn't like DKR one of my fav stories is Killing Joke or Hush in more recent stories

#41 Posted by danhimself (22442 posts) - - Show Bio

I really don't like Miller's take on Batman at all...he comes off as a psychopath when Miller writes him and that's not Batman to me

#42 Posted by johnkmccubbin91 (3486 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicdude23 said:

@BlackPookie said:

@comicdude23: NO its not... the best are year one, the long halloween, dark victory, hush, etc...

Year One was pretty lame. Batman Begins was a better origin story.

1) you do know this was written by the same guy who did the book your describing as the best

2) In the comics he didn't meet Ra's Al Ghul till years later (unlike in the movie) and in the early days he had too learn from his mistakes.

3) You can't really compare a film to a comic as they are written very differently thats why a lot of comics of films are rubbish

#43 Posted by comicdude23 (11399 posts) - - Show Bio

@johnkmccubbin91, I know he wrote DKR. He did a better job with DKR, but Batman wasn't a psychopath in Y1. That's why I felt it was simpler if he met him before he became Batman, I think Batman needs a good, new origin. Y1 is overrated.

#44 Edited by johnkmccubbin91 (3486 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicdude23: It's not just meant to be the origin of Batman in a lot of ways its not its his first year and he was leaning through experience plus it was also meant to be about the relationship between him and Gordon. Finally although some people find it over rated its a good story and paved the way for other great story an secondly Batman isn't meant to be a psychopathic like he was in DKR. Oh and the origin story is simple it has been forever his parents die and he later becomes Batman to avenge them and stop further acts like that happening

#45 Posted by SupBatz (1727 posts) - - Show Bio

Nah. It's a pretty good story but I don't think it's the best. Hell, I wouldn't even call it a truly great story IMO.

#46 Posted by RedOwl_1 (1664 posts) - - Show Bio

Honestly I hated so much Carrie ((yeah don't ask me why)) that I just read half :D but I'm going to watch the movie, yeah I'm kinda lazy :P

#47 Posted by johnkmccubbin91 (3486 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicdude23: If you're looking for a new origin story Detective Comics #0 out next month is going to be one I don't know about Batman #0 yet if it's going to be similar or not, I doubt it

#48 Posted by BlackPookie (640 posts) - - Show Bio

@danhimself said:

I really don't like Miller's take on Batman at all...he comes off as a psychopath when Miller writes him and that's not Batman to me

TOtally agree. nevertheless, Year One batman isnt a psycho. thats why i liked it better than DKR

@johnkmccubbin91: agree, important stuff is that he meets gordon, not rah's

#49 Posted by BlackPookie (640 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicdude23 said:

@BlackPookie said:

@comicdude23: well, batman begins isnt a comic... how can you compare??? and the beauty in that is that a man is capable of great things, but has to start learning before...

I'm comparing the origins.

I understand! And I prefer Y1, dont care which one u prefer...

#50 Edited by neale7 (124 posts) - - Show Bio

I like it. I'm not sure if it's the best, but then again i'm not sure what is the best batman graphic novel. I defiantly don't think its overrated as its a book i'll re-read along with the dark knight strikes again (its really not that bad). I like miller's batman. Still haven't got all-star batman and robin though as i refuse to buy it until i know that he second part will be released by DC (damn you jim lee for taking on so much work and not being able to finish what you commit too).

Personally my fav's are the monster men and also the mad monk. Also strange apparitions. Hush is majorly overrated. It's not as special as people make out in my opinion. Though it did give us jason todd back which led into under the red hood, which is brill. Its still just ok to me though. People might rave about jim lee, but his art is just ok, it's really getting tiresome on me now.

Oh I also think Killing joke is overrated. Not much but a little

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