"Nighthunter said:

"John Valentine said:

"Nighthunter said:

"btw am I the only one that thinks that the main villain behind this...is the devil himself?"

As in Hurt is the devil?"

that or Hurt is just one of the minions of the devil, a few references in the story and in the run (as well as Morrison's previous stories involving Batman) made me start to think of the possibility"

Does DC have a devil? I know Neron and Lord Satanus, but I mean like an actual "Satan" ?"

"Kitty98 said:

"Nightwing is going to become the next Batman?"

It looks that way...

NIGHTWING #153
Written by Peter J. Tomasi
Art and cover by Don Kramer & Jay Leisten
It’s the fateful, final “Batman” Last Rites” issue featuring an “Origins and Omens” backup! As Robin, Dick Grayson fought alongside Batman as part of the dynamic duo, the greatest crime-fighting team in history. As Nightwing, he teamed up with his peers to combat injustice in the Titans and the Outsiders. Now, Dick Grayson faces the most important battle of his life. Batman is dead. The Mantle of the Bat must be passed, but it will require all of Dick’s training and skills to carry out the last wishes of Bruce Wayne and protect Gotham City. Will it be enough to protect himself from the dangers that await him? Or is this the last the world will see of Nightwing?
FINAL ISSUE • On sale February 4 • 32 pg, FC, $2.99 US"

"TheDrifter said:

"Nighthunter said:

"John Valentine said:

"Nighthunter said:

"btw am I the only one that thinks that the main villain behind this...is the devil himself?"

As in Hurt is the devil?"

that or Hurt is just one of the minions of the devil, a few references in the story and in the run (as well as Morrison's previous stories involving Batman) made me start to think of the possibility"

Does DC have a devil? I know Neron and Lord Satanus, but I mean like an actual "Satan" ?"

"

Exhibit D:

Morrison already established Satan in one Batman story way back in "Batman: Gothic"

Ah.

Thanks

"

Is the villain behind Batman R.I.P the devil himself?

Exhibit a:

Morrison stated that the villain behind this was the greatest mastermind and manipulator Batman would ever encounter. Who is better for the role than Satan himself?

Exhibit b:

The "red and black" that is so often mentioned during the storyline are often associated with the devil, as he is often drawn with them as the main colors.

Exhibit C:

Batman #666 nuff said...

Exhibit D:

Morrison already established Satan in one Batman story way back in "Batman: Gothic"

Exhibit E:

The third other batmen claimed to be the anti-christ and he works for Hurt

Exhibit F:

"I guess the old dragon [in reference to Satan] forgot to mention the bargain he made with me when I was fourteen--Gotham's survival…in return for my soul!"-Damian Wayne

maybe it's more than just a saying...."

well I made a post of this under the Final Crisis Forums so it's only fair I share this with you guys too.

I read "Rokks" review of  Batman #681 on his site and he's got this really cool idea as to how RIP connects with Final Crisis


Now I do have a really insane idea that maybe the Devil is Darkseid. After all, Darkseid is considered to be a pure source of evil. And the monk’s eyes turn red which suggests that he is under the control of Darkseid. That would open the possibility for Dr. Hurt to be Desaad in human form.

Maybe Darkseid has targeted Batman as a serious threat in his ability to take over Earth during Final Crisis. That Bruce’s knowledge of death and pure evil from the Thogul ritual would allow him to come up with a way to defeat the Anti-life equation and Darkseid’s effort to make Earth into a new Apokolips. That would explain why Bruce said that when he saw the Devil that there was fear in his eyes. This could be a hint that Darkseid is afraid of Batman ruining his plans over in Final Crisis
what do ya think?

already posted my idea lol

"already posted my idea lol"

"Nighthunter said:

"already posted my idea lol"

i was hoping you would have posted it before me actually :)"

lol nah, I don't check that page

but I did think of the monk being related to darkseid for a second, mostly because of the red eyes but desisted of it because it could easily be taken as a color effect

which is exactly what I thought it was...

great minds think alike...

or fools don't differ lol

<--------- Great mind :P

sure....

"Kitty98 said:

"Nightwing is going to become the next Batman?"

We'll find out in a few months... I'm rooting for Jason Todd... and Damien Wayne as Robin, but I'm a little more twisted than most"

Tim is only seventeen and is ruined as a character

After reading the last issue im kinda confused(espeacially the last couple pages), so did Bats die or what?

"After reading the last issue im kinda confused(espeacially the last couple pages), so did Bats die or what?"

no, he is M.I.A which explains the appearance in Final Crisis where his fate is decided

I wish I had big budget, because i would have boughtin all of the Final Crisis and Secret Invasion issues.

"Tim is only seventeen and is ruined as a character"

hey Fang

I made a new post in REdemption lastnight. As well as a Teaser post of Sinner:Fury

remember Tim Drake? the Nightwing fanboy that made crack jokes and enjoyed being a superhero? the guy that wanted to be the world's greatest detective one day and was lighthearthed?

Well he was replaced for a mini-version of Bruce and became the perfect example of someone who needs therapy

"remember Tim Drake? the Nightwing fanboy that made crack jokes and enjoyed being a superhero? the guy that wanted to be the world's greatest detective one day and was lighthearthed?

Well he was replaced for a mini-version of Bruce and became the perfect example of someone who needs therapy"

lol

Is the villain behind Batman R.I.P the devil himself?

"hey Fang

I made a new post in REdemption lastnight. As well as a Teaser post of Sinner:Fury"

"remember Tim Drake? the Nightwing fanboy that made crack jokes and enjoyed being a superhero? the guy that wanted to be the world's greatest detective one day and was lighthearthed?

Well he was replaced for a mini-version of Bruce and became the perfect example of someone who needs therapy"

"Darkchild said:

"hey Fang

I made a new post in REdemption lastnight. As well as a Teaser post of Sinner:Fury"

             Good for you and don't take this the wrong way but I'm not a Fury.


Nighthunter said:

"remember Tim Drake? the Nightwing fanboy that made crack jokes and enjoyed being a superhero? the guy that wanted to be the world's greatest detective one day and was lighthearthed?

Well he was replaced for a mini-version of Bruce and became the perfect example of someone who needs therapy"

             I see you're point but I don't think he's ruined."

Wait ur the Nightfang reading my fanfic right?

"NightFang said:

"Darkchild said:

"hey Fang

I made a new post in REdemption lastnight. As well as a Teaser post of Sinner:Fury"

             Good for you and don't take this the wrong way but I'm not a Fury.


Nighthunter said:

"remember Tim Drake? the Nightwing fanboy that made crack jokes and enjoyed being a superhero? the guy that wanted to be the world's greatest detective one day and was lighthearthed?

Well he was replaced for a mini-version of Bruce and became the perfect example of someone who needs therapy"

             I see you're point but I don't think he's ruined."

Oh sh1t sorry thought u were another nightfang....dammit people need to come up with better names. Sorry to bother u"

"Wait ur the Nightfang reading my fanfic right?"

"Darkchild said:

"NightFang said:

"Darkchild said:

"hey Fang

I made a new post in REdemption lastnight. As well as a Teaser post of Sinner:Fury"

             Good for you and don't take this the wrong way but I'm not a Fury.


Nighthunter said:

"remember Tim Drake? the Nightwing fanboy that made crack jokes and enjoyed being a superhero? the guy that wanted to be the world's greatest detective one day and was lighthearthed?

Well he was replaced for a mini-version of Bruce and became the perfect example of someone who needs therapy"

             I see you're point but I don't think he's ruined."

Oh sh1t sorry thought u were another nightfang....dammit people need to come up with better names. Sorry to bother u"

               Whit there's another NightFing?

Mikael_Ghazarian said:

"Wait ur the Nightfang reading my fanfic right?"

             Yeah that's me.
 "

Sorry, My bad!

"

Sorry, My bad!

"

"NightFang said:

"

Sorry, My bad!

"

LMAO no problem man. Just thought id give u a heads up on the redemption post and the Teaser for Sinner:Fury"

np

I call that Bruce reclaims the cowl in the battle

I call that Dick does

Bruce for general of the black lanterns! :P

ya know one thing that I dont get about this whole RIP thing is that when superman and captain america died it was all over the media! everywhere now batman is just a big if not bigger than those 2 so wheres his CNN special? and when will they have the death of batman on the TODAY show? or the Nightly News?

IF he dies in FC we will know for sure when the media jumps on it tell the media jumps on it I am not buying it. even if I see batman's head blown clear off in a comic book I aint buying it tell CNN reports it.

"ya know one thing that I dont get about this whole RIP thing is that when superman and captain america died it was all over the media! everywhere now batman is just a big if not bigger than those 2 so wheres his CNN special? and when will they have the death of batman on the TODAY show? or the Nightly News?

IF he dies in FC we will know for sure when the media jumps on it tell the media jumps on it I am not buying it. even if I see batman's head blown clear off in a comic book I aint buying it tell CNN reports it."

Media hasn't jumped on it because he hasn't died yet.

I'm really confused whether or not batman is really dead, I hope he's just missing and will return. There's no body yet so it's possible

I think Grant Morrison himself said Batman wouldn't die in R.I.P., but as far as I remember, "what happens is much worse and is the end of Bruce Wayne as Batman"

"I call that Dick does

Bruce for general of the black lanterns! :P"

"Nighthunter said:

"I call that Dick does

Bruce for general of the black lanterns! :P"

NOW THAT I LIKE:D"

"I think Grant Morrison himself said Batman wouldn't die in R.I.P., but as far as I remember, "what happens is much worse and is the end of Bruce Wayne as Batman""

I loved Batman RIP, mostly Morrison's & Daniel's revamp of the Joker. I'm hoping for more dark villain revamps in the future from Morrison, gawd knows the Mad Hatter could use one. It was also fun musing that it looked like Batman had fashioned a new funny-looking costume from recycled Robinware. lol. I suspect that Bruce will always be the man behind the mask, because some things in life just stay predectable. This whole death thing seems more about rebirth than anything. Who stays dead in comics anyway? Shit, even the Dead Robin came back, he's much cooler now though.

"I loved Batman RIP, mostly Morrison's & Daniel's revamp of the Joker. I'm hoping for more dark villain revamps in the future from Morrison, gawd knows the Mad Hatter could use one. It was also fun musing that it looked like Batman had fashioned a new funny-looking costume from recycled Robinware. lol. I suspect that Bruce will always be the man behind the mask, because some things in life just stay predectable. This whole death thing seems more about rebirth than anything. Who stays dead in comics anyway? Shit, even the Dead Robin came back, he's much cooler now though."

"I suspect that Bruce will always be the man behind the mask, because some things in life just stay predectable. This whole death thing seems more about rebirth than anything. Who stays dead in comics anyway? Shit, even the Dead Robin came back, he's much cooler now though."

"likalaruku said:

"I suspect that Bruce will always be the man behind the mask, because some things in life just stay predectable. This whole death thing seems more about rebirth than anything. Who stays dead in comics anyway? Shit, even the Dead Robin came back, he's much cooler now though."

this is what I'm thinking (and hoping for) too. especially since DC is in a lawsuit for superman rights. if they lost both batman (or atleast bruce) and superman they'd being loosing their 2 biggest drawing cards."