CaV Thundergodswrath vs CadenceV2 (Voting Open)

A decent debate all round and TGW did make use of a lot of strong reasoning that could be applied to Thor eventually cutting loose and decimating Cadence's team. Unfortunately, this argument does not negate the fact that Thor is in character and as such, will be extremely unlikely not to use anti force, God Blasts or high tier lightning strikes. In standard battles, his approach has always been melee brawling with some hammer throws slotted in and the occasional lightning strike. In many of Thor's battles, that's how it's gone down. To Cadence's credit, he brought some unique strategies to the table like the dimension slicing sword, Black Hellfire enhancements and mountain busting speed blitzes. I almost bought the team's lethal mindset coupled with their superior speed and more powerful arsenal enabling them to pull out a win. However, at the end of the debate, @thundergodswrath did a nice job reminding me that if any one of the team is taken down by Thor in a surprise or powerful attack, the team simply cannot win. If they lose anyone, Thor will eventually overpower them. And although it'll take time, TGW showed Thor could last long enough to whittle them down. As such, my vote goes to TGW.

@cadencev2@thundergodswrath

Im going to read through this and then come with a good critic as soon as possible. Although i already have my quarrels with the Hulk's annual reference, since Hulk wasn't "THAT" KO'd in the first place, if that was the case, he would've turn into Banner, not to mention, as soon as Thor passes through the portal, Hulk "wakes up". So i wouldn't use the instance as "Lightnings strong enough to KO Hulk" if the effect just works for literally a few seconds.

@cadencev2: I know mate, i didn't mentioned it because i felt it had no relevance whatsoever as far as the "KO by lightning" goes. Anyway, *Hulked out fist bump*

I vote for TGW and here's why: I think that cadencev2 relied far too much on bizarre calculations and extrapolations from the Yu Yu Hakusho manga scans. He also made some bogus claims about his characters speeds and durability. He flip flopped saying Yusuke was Mach 357, Mach 102, then Mach 100+....I didn't know if I was coming or going. Let us clear this up though, late in the series Yusuke is having trouble outrunning a truck (clearly nowhere near even Mach 1) and is not durable enough to tank bullets and knives since he's running from them.

I do feel cadencev2 was fighting a losing battle from the beginning. TGW showed that Thor can fight inside a star which means his character is tanking heat leagues above what the Yu Yu Hakusho characters can produce. If you have one pea shooter and notice it can't break the armor on a tank, would you add three more pea shooters to your arsenal? To quote a Yu Yu Hakusho villain, "four times zero power is still zero power."

Travel speed =/= Combat Speed. And Hiei as a D-class sliced a guy 16 times before he could react. Said guy could punch 100s of times in a second, meaning he's at least 1600 slices per second. D-class. And every class can take on a horde of lower classes (C can take on a horde of D classes and are much faster). Also Yusuke ran from knives and stuff because they were reinforced by spirit energy from Sniper. Sniper being the same guy who cracked a guy's skull from 500 meters away with a pencil eraser. And that was A-class Yusuke. S-class Sensui can beat A-class Yusuke by shouting and S-class Yusuke can stomp S-class Sensui. Get your facts right before you try to dog people's arguments.

These calculations are getting weirder and weirder, now you are claiming Hiei slashes 1600 times per second...how's the weather on the moon today?

These calculations are getting weirder and weirder, now you are claiming Hiei slashes 1600 times per second...how's the weather on the moon today?

that's not a calc, just a literal statement from the manga. A calc would be saying that's Mach 5 or w/e the calc came out to be. I used a literal statement that Seiryu can punch hundreds of times in a second and Hiei slashed him 16 times before he could punch. The math is simple.

I vote for TGW and here's why: I think that cadencev2 relied far too much on bizarre calculations and extrapolations from the Yu Yu Hakusho manga scans. He also made some bogus claims about his characters speeds and durability. He flip flopped saying Yusuke was Mach 357, Mach 102, then Mach 100+....I didn't know if I was coming or going. Let us clear this up though, late in the series Yusuke is having trouble outrunning a truck (clearly nowhere near even Mach 1) and is not durable enough to tank bullets and knives since he's running from them.

Then he obviously slashed him sixteen (16) times. There's no need to slap two 0's on the end of that figure with your extrapolations.

@darkraiden@cadencev2

sorry to bother you

i just started yuyu, but what are the best FEATS EoS shown in the manga without fans calcs? mountain buster?

You pretty much seen them in this debate.

This was a very detailed debate and I really enjoyed looking at both sides` perspectives but the one who receives my vote due to having the overall edge in countering, point-formulating and just being able to have the clarity in his respective character`s feats while at the same time understanding as well as acknowledging his opposition`s advantages, I would give it to @thundergodswrath.

A decent debate all round and TGW did make use of a lot of strong reasoning that could be applied to Thor eventually cutting loose and decimating Cadence's team. Unfortunately, this argument does not negate the fact that Thor is in character and as such, will be extremely unlikely not to use anti force, God Blasts or high tier lightning strikes. In standard battles, his approach has always been melee brawling with some hammer throws slotted in and the occasional lightning strike. In many of Thor's battles, that's how it's gone down. To Cadence's credit, he brought some unique strategies to the table like the dimension slicing sword, Black Hellfire enhancements and mountain busting speed blitzes. I almost bought the team's lethal mindset coupled with their superior speed and more powerful arsenal enabling them to pull out a win. However, at the end of the debate, @thundergodswrath did a nice job reminding me that if any one of the team is taken down by Thor in a surprise or powerful attack, the team simply cannot win. If they lose anyone, Thor will eventually overpower them. And although it'll take time, TGW showed Thor could last long enough to whittle them down. As such, my vote goes to TGW.

This debate has been very fun to watch and kudos to each debater for providing a logical and entertaining argument for each of their cases. However, there must always be a winner in my books and that honour goes to @thundergodswrath.

While @cadencev2 provided a great argument and had decent counters for Thor's feats I felt that @thundergodswrath had a far better understanding of Thor and lived up to his username. He had better scans than his opponent, much better countering IMO and all in all better debating.

@thundergodswrath has my vote.

I vote for TGW and here's why: I think that cadencev2 relied far too much on bizarre calculations and extrapolations from the Yu Yu Hakusho manga scans. He also made some bogus claims about his characters speeds and durability. He flip flopped saying Yusuke was Mach 357, Mach 102, then Mach 100+....I didn't know if I was coming or going. Let us clear this up though, late in the series Yusuke is having trouble outrunning a truck (clearly nowhere near even Mach 1) and is not durable enough to tank bullets and knives since he's running from them.

I do feel cadencev2 was fighting a losing battle from the beginning. TGW showed that Thor can fight inside a star which means his character is tanking heat leagues above what the Yu Yu Hakusho characters can produce. If you have one pea shooter and notice it can't break the armor on a tank, would you add three more pea shooters to your arsenal? To quote a Yu Yu Hakusho villain, "four times zero power is still zero power."

@thundergodswrath: I think its safe to say you won this time. Good Debate.

It was a nice debate :) Get along to our street level one soon :P

You tell me what Street character you like to use.

@thundergodswrath: OMG Iron Fist vs Dark Ryu!

Awesome debates on both sides,

@thundergodswrath

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@cadencev2

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Brilliant as usual.

But I gotta give it to thundergodswrath as I feel as if he handled his case better and also because I agree with his points more.

@thundergodswrath: Care to name the issue, i don't follow classics that much, although i probably have the issue.