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Batman, Incorporated #8 - The Boy Wonder Returns

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There will be a lot of talk and attention given to this issue but it turns out the story is well executed.

Let's be realistic, there will be some spoilers here. The spoilers are already out. We can't avoid them but we won't spoil everything. You know what happens. We won't reveal how it all happens.

The Good

In case you haven't heard, this issue is a little grim. Even though the Leviathan story may not be completely over, it's reached its climax here. This is an intense issue where something does happen. There's no dancing around or stalling.

There is a lot of Damian Wayne action here. Having been recently grounded by Batman, we saw last issue his patience reached its limit. Damian was prepared to join the battle. He does and it's glorious. Like him or hate him, seeing little Damian swoop in using Wayne Tech is something worth seeing. He's not the only Robin here as there's also plenty of Red Robin and Nightwing action as well. The best part of this issue is seeing Damian and Dick fighting side by side.

So far, I'd say you've been my favorite partner. We were the best, Richard. No matter what anyone thinks.

This scene makes you want more. Dick and Damian's time as the Dynamic Duo was cut short. Just as the two were finding their stride, Batman returned from the 'dead.'

The fight scenes by Chris Burnham (and Jason Masters on the Red Robin scene) look great and are highlighted by having each panel focus on the characters rather than incorporate a ton of detail to the backgrounds (that isn't to say the backgrounds are completely bare). Nathan Fairbairn's colors also make each panel pop off the page. As the action heats up, the focus is pulled back a bit resulting in a page with twenty chaotic panels (the chaotic part is a great touch). And the expression depicted on a couple pages at the end were priceless.

As for the certain big event that occurs, it's a fitting end for this issue. I can't say I'm in favor of the direction the story takes but there will obviously be some fallout and repercussions for what happens here.

The Bad

I'm sure I'm not the only one tired of "comic book deaths."

We have a few situations in this issue. Batman needs to make his escape. Red Robin is fighting alone. Damian ends up fighting close by Nightwing. Of these, the Red Robin scene felt unnecessary. Given that the story shifts to Jason Masters' art, it feels even more separated by the story that clearly focuses on a different character. Those four pages almost feel like filler.

It's really too bad the ending of this was revealed before we had the chance to read it. That's the nature of these sort of things. It's understandable to a certain degree that there's always a need to try to appeal to new readers in the comics market. It would just be nice to read an issue without already knowing the outcome. It takes away some of the impact. When we saw the [fake] Damian death in issue #1, it was surprising. When it happens here, it is tragic. I can only imagine if we weren't already expecting it to happen in THIS issue. This isn't a strike against this issue but it could have been more powerful if we had been caught off guard.

The Verdict

The moment teased in issue #1 is finally here. We get a good issue showcasing what Damian is capable of. Seeing his interaction with Dick Grayson makes you long for the time when they were partners. Batman's battle against Talia and Leviathan has reached its climax but it's not quite over yet. Talia makes a bold move that will cause repercussions in the rest of the Bat-titles. The comic is well laid out and the action is highlighted by the focus each panel has on the action and the colors enhance it all. A scene with Red Robin unfortunately feels a little out of place but does serve to explain where Tim is when it all hits the fan.

It's not the fault of the comic but the events would have been more powerful to readers if the outcome hadn't already been announced earlier in the week. Is this the end for a certain character? We'll have to see what happens in the next issue and other Bat-titles. R.I.P. indeed little fella.

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@cdeoleo said:

@Avenging-X-Bolt: Also they should have kept the cowl on the Red Robin costume. Jim Lee -_-

the cowl doesnt go with the current costume. it'd just look stupid.

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@Avenging-X-Bolt: Also they should have kept the cowl on the Red Robin costume. Jim Lee -_-

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@Avenging-X-Bolt: It sucks because Tim Drake was great pre 52 but now he is a mere shadow of what he used to be. I blame it on horrible writing.

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To me: Damian's death was a while load of PIS. I mean: Red robin falls on a plane, and somehow ends up under it all and Tim Drake somehow cannot do anything but lie there. As if a fall like that would render him unconscious and down and out of the fight. Then Nightwing gets K.O.ed by ONE lousy kick. How does THE Nightwing get knocked out by that? Overall this event just leaves a feeling of being cheated... Robin gets murdered because his predecessors are sidelined by PIS...

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Edited By DocFishstick

man as a bat fan i have to go and get this one. i have just not had the time.

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Am I the only one who thinks the artwork in this title has absolutely SUCKED? The characters look more like cartoons than anything, everything looks grainy, and the lack of color depth and other issues really detracted from the magnitude of some of the more important moments of this issue as well as the others.

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Edited By secondfallen616

Im not sad or outraged, i'm just disappointed that it wasnt better executed. Heretic sucks, his costume is so lame and pseudo-biblical, hate hate hate him even though hes really Damian......lazy writing.

The panel where Batman finds Jason Todd's corpse, albeit dated, still looks pretty awesome, but Damian's send-off panel sucks, i'd say it was the weakest overall panels in the issue. So why not devote a little extra time on that panel? Seriously.........

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Edited By KnightofSteel

It's only a matter of time before he gets thrown into the Lazarus Pit and he comes back. He's the Batman 666 in the future, so hey lots of time for a resurrection.

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@gettogaara: Yeah. It's not Batman, the guy with the no-kill code that is not gonna kill and follow the way of the Punisher.

It's Bruce Wayne, the FATHER who lost his 10-year old SON, who he had a great bonding with, on his watch, saw him brutally murdered before his own eyes, who needs and deserves to take revenge. If he doesn't, then he doesn't deserve any respect as it makes him just as cold-hearted as the villains he's been REPEATEDLY ( lol ) dumping in jail so often, only to see them escape and do it all over again.

I'm sure those people who say that Batman should still not break his no-kill code are single with no kids, or below the age of 20, and don't realize what losing a son means to a father.

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I'm so pissed off about this issue it's not even funny. Damian was the reason I really started to get back into DC comics. He's only been around for a couple of years and I knew him for even less. Now after all of that development, bonding with his father as well as the rest of the Bat family ...he's just thrown away like he didn't even mean anything. What was the purpose in killing him? There should not be another Robin after this. If Damian actually stays dead then this is the second time Batman has failed to protect his partner so he should realize it's time to stop bringing kids to the battlefield(no matter how skilled they may be).

As for the whole Batman not killing thing, do you guys have children? I don't as I'm 17 myself but Batman has come close to killing people for much less. The death of his 10 year old son will certainly push him over the edge. I actually don't want to see Batman kill people but I will lose all respect for him as a character if he doesn't avenge his son.

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@caen2911: Very good review indeed.

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Edited By dernman

As someone who wishes Morrison would hurry up and go away and the series will be forgotten, I thought Robin kicked @ss here. 
 
On another note.
They should finish off this series with a BBQ and make some Batcow burgers.

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Dude wtf, I cant believe Damien got killed so brutally like that. He always beats everyone, he is Batmans son. This sucks. Rip Damien you will be missed. P.s. at least he went out like a boss.

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@RedHush1 said:

I am sad by the death of Damian Wayne even though he was a spoiled pain in the ass.

Anyone who still thinks he's the a-hole he was when he was first introduced, obviously hasn't read a comic with him in it in the last two years or so. Don't be so ignorant, there is literally no reason to hate the character at this point.

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Ok also I forgot to put this in my last comment what about Batman And Robin XD Now that he's dead I think they should start doing arcs with maybe him going back and working with Original Robins for four-five issue story arcs. Hell maybe it could help bring back Steph

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Ok I will admit it Damian and Tim Drake were tied for my most hated Robins. But even I will admit I am sad to see Robin go but I cannot say I'm out raged about it. We all have knew that Morrison was going to do something drastic from the beginning. This is Morrison. Come on have any of you even picked up any of his other books?! You should know that he will kill off the heroes closest family or friends! Take his Animal Man run for example. HE KILLED ALL OF BUDDY BAKER'S FAMILY! I will admit that I am sad by the death of Damian Wayne even though he was a spoiled pain in the ass. But I am not going as far as hating Morrison for it and saying I'm out raged

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http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=user_review&id=5727

Tony, I'm sorry, "G-man"... this is how to write a review. Please start investing some time into this stuff and stop just stating the obvious. Also it helps when you explain your opinions to help give some context.

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It's funny that I just gave up on my sub to Batman Inc. two issues ago and now finally Morrison does a great job with this heartfelt story thanks to the rich history behind Bruce & Damian over the past several years. I vote for "Batman & Robin" to go back in time for a 12-24 issue run, covering more of Dick & Damian as partners.

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I will be the first to admit that I'm not the biggest fan of Damian but I can definitely understand having an attachment to a character and the sadness you feel when they die. For me that sadness came when Superboy died fighting Superboy-Prime during Infinite Crisis. And Now I actually see a lot in common between those two characters. Conner (the old version not Lobdell's) was created to be a weapon. He grew above that, became a friend, a Titan and in the end He died a hero. I can see a lot of similarities with Damian, especially in his becoming more than he was born to be kind of thing. I might have a whole new appreciation for this character. Mental Note-Buy the trade when it comes out.

Finally just because Damian's gone now doesn't mean he's gone forever. Morrison may bring him back.

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@maurdakar said:

Y'know what? I read this. I think I'm done with Batman for a while.

I am having difficulties with SYD (suspend your disbelief) in Batman lately. His books rely on 'realism' too much to justify this maddening cycle of non-development. I loved Dick-Damien as the duo and thought it was the perfect growth for Dick who went back to the circus and back to being Nightwing. I mean they pull this off here, and nothing happens in Death of the Family? Literally nothing, since the 'wedge' clearly isn't being enforced or in play at all.

I dunno man I dunno if I like Batman anymore. I'm still going to pick up the incredible 'one-shots' people take at him but his series is just kinda disappointing lately.

And you just know all the solicits coming up (Batman 18, Batman and Robin 20) aren't going to end with Bruce turning into a killer. At least I sincerely do not believe they are going to do that to Bruce, and so the tension of those solicits kind of goes right out the window. There's only so long you can go up to the proverbial line but never cross it, I don't think they'll ever cross it.

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Normally I am pro spoiler but with this issue it was inevitable. Many readers and fans have suspected the story would come to this months ago. I remember reading the last Batman Inc volume and dreading the line when Bruce says someone would die. This story should drive Bruce for years.

It was hard to read knowing what was coming both by paying attention to the story and DC's promotion. Though I do see how the impact could have been lessened by the spoiler if you weren't prepared for it. Really emotional issue.

I can imagine Tim will play a part in the story later.

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I agree the Tim Drake scene felt really unnecessary and a bit out of place. The art was good and I was glad to see Tim get some attention for once though. The death wasn't much of a shocker. I knew Morrison had plans to kill off Damian much earlier in his run. With him wrapping up his work on Batman I think everyone saw it coming.

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This makes me sad, Damien Wayne had become my favorite member of the entire bat family, and I'm saying that as someone who isn't even a Morrison fan. Since it is a character he created I feel like this is a legitimate death, despite how sad it makes me. I guess now I don't have to feel bad about dropping the Batman and Robin series though.

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I think the Batman books, like the X-Men books, have far too much pressure on them to have 'shocking' moments within their pages. DC really ruined it by issuing the spoiler. If I'd have read that, i would not have bothered to buy the issue. Although told well, this can't be it for Damian surely? The boy is TEN. He's Bruce's son. It can't be over that easily. Although saying that, I'd rather it was Grant that took him away as he introduced him to begin with. Maybe that's been idea ever since he confirmed he was leaving the DC books.

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Not much more I can say at this point...

At least Damian was killed by the only one with enough skill to do so: Himself (essentially.)

Fly high little Robin, may you find your way home soon...

R.I.P.
R.I.P.
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This was one of the most sad comics I've read in a long time, the death of Damian is going to destroy bruce

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I don't know what to think of this issue. Personally, I don't enjoy reading Morrison's style - it's very unique, and I consider him to be extremely talented & his stories to be pretty cool, I just really don't enjoy them (unfortunately :( ) . What got to me though, is that Damien is 10, and his death was just brutal. I know that it was him dying a hero', but I would prefer for him to save Gotham, or at least take down Heretic with his death - not just for him to become another dagger against the bat family's psyche...

Meh - not a fan, but I can see what Morrison is trying to do & I'm sure fans of Morrison will enjoy (hopefully).

Gonna miss Damien as Robin though :/

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@Fastblender: No, yeah. I know. I guess I needed to rant. I still find it to be a terrible waste and not right, but if anything I'm upset because Damien's my favorite character.

Morrison's Batman and Robin was fantastic and he can do what he wishes, but I just... can't get over how easy it seemed to kill such a great character in this way. Especially with the potential for every other character he interacts with. It's such a waste in the end; whether he comes back or not. I see now the extreme reasons why people stop reading comic books for a long time.

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He DIED??????

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Y'know what? I read this. I think I'm done with Batman for a while.

I am having difficulties with SYD (suspend your disbelief) in Batman lately. His books rely on 'realism' too much to justify this maddening cycle of non-development. I loved Dick-Damien as the duo and thought it was the perfect growth for Dick who went back to the circus and back to being Nightwing. I mean they pull this off here, and nothing happens in Death of the Family? Literally nothing, since the 'wedge' clearly isn't being enforced or in play at all.

I dunno man I dunno if I like Batman anymore. I'm still going to pick up the incredible 'one-shots' people take at him but his series is just kinda disappointing lately.

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@cdeoleo said:

This sucks, Damien was doing so well as a character and I wanted more of this relationship with Batman to be explored. Also Damien as future Batman is interesting as hell. Jason Todd and Tim Drake shouldnt even be considered part of the Bat family so I disagree with this notion of too many Robins running around.

This touches on a larger issue though. You know how new characters rarely stick this is why. Damien was a new character who was extremely popular, which is rare. To go off and kill him just perpetuates the cycle in which only Batman, Superman, Spider-Man and Avengers sell.

fanboy mode initiated

How Dare You Sir!?!?!

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I wanna see this now Time for Batman to man up, and go back to his real roots for those who don't really know. .

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R.I.P. Robin

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I feel like this is such a massive waste

cause there are 2 options here, either Damian comes back to life soon, or he doesnt

if he comes back soon then it just defeats the entire purpose of the death in the first place, if he doesnt comeback soon as in the next year then its just a waste cause the character was popular and people still want to read about him.

it is bad enough that Dick is not Batman anymore and that Batman doesnt have a flying batmovile thanks to the new 52, if we remove Damian too then at the end of the day when the last page is done the entire Morrison Saga would have had no accomplishments at all and no lasting effects in the Batman continuity and we just might as well skip it completely because everything just went back to the same status quo that it had before he started with very very minor differences that ultimately dont matter.

The whole point of the run was the evolution of the idea of batman, to improve and expand those concepts so that it can finally move forward.

this dead in addition to the multiple changes on continuity because of the new 52 just underminds the entire premise.

Is a complete devolving from what the last 6 years accomplished.

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a) He may have made the character, but that doesn't mean he can take him away. Does this mean if Bob Kane came back from the dead, he'd be allowed to kill off Batman however he wants? The reasoning is stupid. I don't care how long he's planned this for. The man is insane.

Ending a character you created is about the most respectable death in freelance writing. By giving your character a proper ending, you're strengthening the story arc of the character. Ultimately, Damian Wayne is owned by DC Comics. Morrison was planning to kill him at the end of Batman and Son, but he enjoyed writing the characters so he kept on the title and now he's ending it. You Bob Kane comparison is neither apt nor feasible.

b) This completely negates anything happening with Death of the Family. It's good everything Gleason and Snyder did has entirely been overshadowed and broken by Morrison's changes. Not.

Damian had a very small role in Death of the Family. And what exactly did come out of it? I'm told it drove a "wedge" between Bruce and his adopted children. I'm sure the wedge will still be there or even increased by Damian's death. You need not worry for Gleason and Snyder, they are well aware of the pitfalls of writing for a major comic book company. Their stories are still as valid and enjoyable as you'd like them to be.

c) The New 52 is meant to bring in new, younger readers and now that the youngest, most accessible member of Batman's family is gone we just have TIm Drake who is basically a cardboard cut-out of a teenager. No offense; just my beliefs (I don't find him interesting).

The problem is Batman Inc. isn't the new 52. It's the conclusion to Morrison's 7+ years of writing Batman which began in the old DCU. Morrison's story is built upon the idea that all of the eras of the Batman character have actually happened. This flies in direct conflict with the premise of the DCnU. In fact, removing Damian from the books actually makes the amount of Robins seem more feasible.

d) How is this logical and/or well-written? Do you know how many people have died and been replaced in various forms of Batman literature? We don't even see the entire Bat-family in this iteration of Batman, but Morrison thinks it's a good idea to kill of and bring in more new characters. Stupid.

Well-written is subjective. If you're looking for Spock levels of logic, do not read Morrison. He comes at stories from a different angle. I'm quite aware of how many characters have come and gone from Bat comics. That is why continuity is a fallacy. A better way to approach the history of these characters is to think of them as ancient tales retold over and over throughout time. This is the story of Batman, passed downed form generations, as told to you by Grant Morrison.

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Killing Damian is a fail for DC because there just going to bring him back in a year or so they will just have Jason Todd, Batman, Talia or Nightwing put him in the lazarus pit.

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@sledgemeyers said:

This is stupid. Morrison has (IMO) lost it.

a) He may have made the character, but that doesn't mean he can take him away. Does this mean if Bob Kane came back from the dead, he'd be allowed to kill off Batman however he wants? The reasoning is stupid. I don't care how long he's planned this for. The man is insane.

b) This completely negates anything happening with Death of the Family. It's good everything Gleason and Snyder did has entirely been overshadowed and broken by Morrison's changes. Not.

c) The New 52 is meant to bring in new, younger readers and now that the youngest, most accessible member of Batman's family is gone we just have TIm Drake who is basically a cardboard cut-out of a teenager. No offense; just my beliefs (I don't find him interesting).

d) How is this logical and/or well-written? Do you know how many people have died and been replaced in various forms of Batman literature? We don't even see the entire Bat-family in this iteration of Batman, but Morrison thinks it's a good idea to kill of and bring in more new characters. Stupid.

Do not be offended. These are simply my beliefs. Grant Morrison is a tool.

Damian was created to die, the only reason he's been around so long is because Morrison was forced to keep him because of his popularity

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@darkwingdan: I know it would be stretch for that universe to exist but still I feel like Damian's batman story would have been something great..hopefully one day a mini-series or something comes out

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I haven't read DC comics since the 90's, but I want to start reading Batman, especially this current arc. Where should I start?

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R.I.P Best Robin of all time.

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@Mercy_: @sho3s22: When Dick said "Hey, we can't help being great." as he casually tossed those smoke grenades over his shoulder killed me. It almost seemed like if I didn't know already, that conversation would have confirmed it.

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@TheRobberBarron: You have to be delusional if you ever thought the Batman #666 universe was ever going to come to pass as the status quo. But even with Damian now dead, there's nothing that can stop DC from putting out an Elseworlds-style miniseries about that possible future.

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just read this...all I can say is...Under Morrison, I NEVER liked the kid, he was just a pain in the ass and wished he'd go away. However it is the work of other writers I actually liked him a bit more. So to see how this issue ended is bittersweet. Glad Morrison will soon be on his way and all of his crazy stories. But damn...Really? this is what you were building towards? Why?

Why go through the process of creating and investing time only to know your going to destroy it, makes no sense to me.

So I guess the search is on huh? Has anyone gave Cassandra or Steph a call?

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Glad my lcs had it sold out now. Looks like i didnt miss much.

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Thanks you...I hate Burnham art style its so awful it throws me off...its because of him i stop reading Batman Inc

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@Avenger85: Dude they are not going to have Batman break his code. Will he hit Leviathan hard? Yes. Will there be collatoral damage? Absolutely. He is not going to kill Talia. Scott Snyder did an interview about how Batman can't break his code and that it's one of the coolest things about the character. I think you are missing the point. He told Damien not to kill anymore, so would be not be a hypocrite for telling Damien not to do it, then he turns around and he does it? Even in the face of probably the worst thing to happen since the demise of his parents, he can't break his code. If he was Frank Castle, they would have made him that a long time ago.

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I've said it about this book a lot, but I can't stand the art here. Specifically the way Burnham does faces. I think it's the eyes and mouths that really throw me off, it's not a realistic style, and it's not a regular comic style, it's almost like some uncanny valley effect.

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I guess what batman saw in the future was true. One of them was fated to die. This sucks on every level

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Tony I wish you weren't so easy on this book. It was unoriginal and basically killed off another Robin for no reason...Why would you take out a Robin unlike the rest of them that embraced becoming Batman. It seems like Morrison wanted to finish his story so badly that the folks at DC said eff Damian's fan base lets just keep Morrison happy...Thanks to that jerk we will never see the 666 universe come to be

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I mean were going to miss out on this epic kid....Another bad call from DC Comics!

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I am shocked to hear the news. And also saddened about the death of this loved character and thats because I dont even read batman comics. My heart goes out to the batman and robin comic fans. :-(

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