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#1 Posted by papad1992 (6829 posts) - - Show Bio

@papad1992: If you're still interested I'll give it a shot.

Wow it's been three years... I'd still love to see the characters come to life. Go for it!

#2 Posted by papad1992 (6829 posts) - - Show Bio
@adamtrmm said:

@oldnightcrawler said:

With the exception of Dust (who had been around longer) and maybe Surge, most of the New X-men were Sprites and Shark-girls until Childhood's End. And, while I don't have any particular attachment to most of Aaron's characters, most of them haven't been around that long or written by anyone but him, both of which made all the difference for the New X-men, who actually had their own book to be developed in.

Did you read pre-K/Y NXM? New Mutants v.2 and the first 20 issues of Academy X? Because, man you're wrong. They started being developed since their very first appearance, unlike those unimaginative abominations (sprite, shark, eye etc) that are remaining redundant backgrounds. Even those who died are the better characters with their limited appearances, because of those pre-K/Y developments. I really don't understand why would you compare them at all.

Aaron's characters (and his other pets) had almost 50 issues of WATXM to be developed, just a little less than NXM.

THANK YOU adamtrmm!!!!!

#3 Posted by papad1992 (6829 posts) - - Show Bio

Ok so I have a few variants...

Either:

Husk, Dani Moonstar, and Pixie

or

Sage, Wolfsbane, and Dust

or

Mercury, Dazzler, and Stacy X (bring her back... she's the "edge" the team really needs)

#4 Posted by papad1992 (6829 posts) - - Show Bio

@oldnightcrawler: You bring up some valid points but still, those New X-Men characters flourished due to good writing and great stories. Quire and Genesis I gave the exception to, and Oya and Broo are characters I can't stand, along with Shark Girl, Sprite, and all of those other transparent characters. They are not enticing, not even remotely interesting. Characters like Anole and Pixie played the roles of background fillers since their inception but were never cannon fodder. They were developed into becoming amazing characters full of depth, perspective, and meaning. They continued along their paths of development throughout two books while these newer characters have done nothing but fill the background and act as cannon fodder. It's all due to bad writing, the characters represent and mirror what the writers put into them. That's why they're boring, exhausting, and dull.

#5 Edited by papad1992 (6829 posts) - - Show Bio

@papad1992 said:

New X-Men: Academy X was the book to bring me back to X-Men full time... I was floating around reading different books here and there from different publishers, but this series is what reeled me back in. I loved all of the deep relationships, well-developed characters, and endless drama and guilt... it was the perfect X-book in my opinion. And now what do we have?? Wolverine and the X-Men is crap, always has been always will be because their characters, except for a couple, are all transparent canonfodder and background throw-aways.

Disagree.

1. While Aaron's WatX-men was mostly not that great, it wasn't all bad either and Latour's book has been mostly pretty great so far.

2. The main cast of Latour's Wolverine & the X-Men has mostly been Quire, Oya, Storm, and Wolverine, with Armor, Eye-boy, Doop, and a bunch of the New X-Men. So other than giving Armor, Oya, and Eye-boy some page time, it's mostly a pretty seasoned lineup.

3. At least half of the characters that people associate with New X-Men at this point were background characters for at least a few years before they were given focus in that book and won people's hearts. Any character can be good and any character can be fodder, especially when they're new; I really don't see what makes the new characters in WatX-men any different from what the New X-men were when they were first introduced.

Those New X-Men characters became so loved because of their intense depth-driven characterization. They endured such development from watching their depowered classmates get blown-up right in front of them to nearly escaping the grasps of a mutant-hungry Predator X to enduring the harsh environment of Limbo and the Darkchilde. What can be said of these "new" x-characters that have been introduced? The New X-Men's characterization evolved from many stories and issue-to-issue development, while these newer characters have had this WaTXM book for awhile now and nothing significant has occurred to make me fall completely and utterly in love or enthralled by their characters. The writing has been transparent and lack-lusting since its inception. If anything, Quire has stepped up to the plate, evolved into a pretty cool character and Genesis has always interested me, but that's it. Those two character's weren't even introduced in WaTXM.

@squares said:

@papad1992 said:

New X-Men: Academy X was the book to bring me back to X-Men full time... I was floating around reading different books here and there from different publishers, but this series is what reeled me back in. I loved all of the deep relationships, well-developed characters, and endless drama and guilt... it was the perfect X-book in my opinion. And now what do we have?? Wolverine and the X-Men is crap, always has been always will be because their characters, except for a couple, are all transparent canonfodder and background throw-aways.

I want to see the next step in evolution for these characters... Let them form their own team and go off on adventures and explorations as the next generation. G-d knows they've had enough schooling.

See, I can agree WatX(m?) is crap, but it's the awful writing and genuinely horrible execution of said ideas that made it horrible.

Exactly... I'm glad you agree. The book is crap and has been crap since the beginning. Nothing memorable or worth mentioning has come forth from that book. The writing is horrendous, the artwork is too childish, and the characters are too transparent and forgetable.

#6 Edited by papad1992 (6829 posts) - - Show Bio

@rodwell said:

@papad1992 said:

New X-Men: Academy X was the book to bring me back to X-Men full time... I was floating around reading different books here and there from different publishers, but this series is what reeled me back in. I loved all of the deep relationships, well-developed characters, and endless drama and guilt... it was the perfect X-book in my opinion. And now what do we have?? Wolverine and the X-Men is crap, always has been always will be because their characters, except for a couple, are all transparent canonfodder and background throw-aways.

I want to see the next step in evolution for these characters... Let them form their own team and go off on adventures and explorations as the next generation. G-d knows they've had enough schooling.

Strong words on Watxm, i agree with the fact that a lot of the characters are background characters, and now that i have been thinking about it i just dont view them to be characters that will grow up to be x-men. There is too much character development needed, and i dont think its possible as funny and as funny looking as people like broo and shark girl are there is no way they are going to become x-men.

As for this group to be the next generation, maybe that will be the direction the current x-men series will take. This series is using them almost as a backup support team to storms group.

Thank you... My point exactly!

#7 Posted by papad1992 (6829 posts) - - Show Bio

New X-Men: Academy X was the book to bring me back to X-Men full time... I was floating around reading different books here and there from different publishers, but this series is what reeled me back in. I loved all of the deep relationships, well-developed characters, and endless drama and guilt... it was the perfect X-book in my opinion. And now what do we have?? Wolverine and the X-Men is crap, always has been always will be because their characters, except for a couple, are all transparent canonfodder and background throw-aways.

I want to see the next step in evolution for these characters... Let them form their own team and go off on adventures and explorations as the next generation. G-d knows they've had enough schooling.

#8 Edited by papad1992 (6829 posts) - - Show Bio

Not cool man... I just shed a tear.

#9 Posted by papad1992 (6829 posts) - - Show Bio

@time said:

@veitha said:

These are funny hahah I like the Summers/Void one.

@papad1992 said:

"What Carol Saw..."

Them two are my favourite, I like the way they speak about Dazzler in issue 23. It's funny the way they speak about her costume.

That and the way they keep referring to "beating" Pixie... poor girl!

#10 Posted by papad1992 (6829 posts) - - Show Bio

Here are mine:

1) Academy X/New X-Men by Kyle and Yost

2) X-Factor by PAD

3) Uncanny X-Force by Remender

4) X-Force by Kyle and Yost

5) Uncanny X-Men up to Messiah Complex

6) X-Men by Austen then Carey

7) Ultimate Comics X-Men by Spencer and Wood

8) X-treme X-Men by Claremont

9) Astonishing X-Men by Whedon

10) X-Men Legacy by Carey