LegendaryKYJ

The_Creator says:

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"acewasp23 says:

"Eternal Chaos says:

"The_Creator says:

"Eternal Chaos says:

"Captain Marvel is on Superman's level. If BB had preptime to make himself stronger than I'd give it to him, but since not, Marvel."

Even with prep time explain how he can make himself strong enough, durable enough or quick enough to match Marvel, who is equivalent to Superman. Please explain. "

If BB can at least use his energy absorbtion or mattermanipulation or whatever it is that grants him that power to make himself as durable and fast as possible so he can at least get a scream off, and after that scream, I think he can take Marvel."

it's possible but i think Marvel would be able to incapacitate him before BB can get a sound out. "

What if Marvel hits him and BB screams in pain at him? "

If marvel hits him, he is either KO'ed if Marvel is being nice or dead. "

BB and battle the Hulk and Thor. I think he could take one punch from Captain Marvel. "

Thor can lift (my estimate) around 70,000 tonnes.

Hulk (calm) can lift 55,000 tonnes. Hulk (angry for 5 mins) can lift approx 100,000 tonnes.

Capt Marvel can lift (at a minimum) 2,500,000 tonnes.

That's like 36 times greater than Thor.

Marvel would not simply hit BB, he would put his hand straight through him.

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Dude, you're numbers are seriously messed up. Hulk in Banner form (the weakest incarnation) can hold up a mountain range of 150,000,000,000 Tons. Thor can lift apart of the Odinsword and hurl it through a Celestial, whether or not this was a result of his warriors madness is beyond me, but I don't believe so. BB withstood blows from ENRAGED, destroy a meteor twice the size of Earth, Hulk.

The_Creator says:

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"acewasp23 says:

"Eternal Chaos says:

"The_Creator says:

"Eternal Chaos says:

"Captain Marvel is on Superman's level. If BB had preptime to make himself stronger than I'd give it to him, but since not, Marvel."

Even with prep time explain how he can make himself strong enough, durable enough or quick enough to match Marvel, who is equivalent to Superman. Please explain. "

If BB can at least use his energy absorbtion or mattermanipulation or whatever it is that grants him that power to make himself as durable and fast as possible so he can at least get a scream off, and after that scream, I think he can take Marvel."

it's possible but i think Marvel would be able to incapacitate him before BB can get a sound out. "

What if Marvel hits him and BB screams in pain at him? "

If marvel hits him, he is either KO'ed if Marvel is being nice or dead. "

BB and battle the Hulk and Thor. I think he could take one punch from Captain Marvel. "

Thor can lift (my estimate) around 70,000 tonnes.

Hulk (calm) can lift 55,000 tonnes. Hulk (angry for 5 mins) can lift approx 100,000 tonnes.

Capt Marvel can lift (at a minimum) 2,500,000 tonnes.

That's like 36 times greater than Thor.

Marvel would not simply hit BB, he would put his hand straight through him.

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Dude, you're numbers are seriously messed up. Hulk in Banner form (the weakest incarnation) can hold up a mountain range of 150,000,000,000 Tons. Thor can lift apart of the Odinsword and hurl it through a Celestial, whether or not this was a result of his warriors madness is beyond me, but I don't believe so. BB withstood blows from ENRAGED, destroy a meteor twice the size of Earth, Hulk.

Lord Shazam says:

"Nobody says:

"The_Creator says:

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"acewasp23 says:

"Eternal Chaos says:

"The_Creator says:

"Eternal Chaos says:

"Captain Marvel is on Superman's level. If BB had preptime to make himself stronger than I'd give it to him, but since not, Marvel."

Even with prep time explain how he can make himself strong enough, durable enough or quick enough to match Marvel, who is equivalent to Superman. Please explain. "

If BB can at least use his energy absorbtion or mattermanipulation or whatever it is that grants him that power to make himself as durable and fast as possible so he can at least get a scream off, and after that scream, I think he can take Marvel."

it's possible but i think Marvel would be able to incapacitate him before BB can get a sound out. "

What if Marvel hits him and BB screams in pain at him? "

If marvel hits him, he is either KO'ed if Marvel is being nice or dead. "

BB and battle the Hulk and Thor. I think he could take one punch from Captain Marvel."

Captain Marvel can move so fast he would have thrown about 1000 punches on BB, before he can come up with something in his brain."

I do love hyperbole. 10k nuclear bomb with a 10-15 second blast (thats not hyperoble, BB has that power).

Lord Shazam says:

"someone give me a re-cap of the battle because I've been doing a lot of crap all day and just got home from college."

the thread is only three pages long XD

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"acewasp23 says:

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"What if Marvel hits him and BB screams in pain at him? "

with the wisdom of Solomon he would know where to hit BB so he wouldn't be able to make a sound. "

How would he even know what BB's powers are? I mean Solomon may be wise but you think he knows about characters from another universe?"

I don't know dude, when Solomon first met Batson he originally claimed he was omniscient. I sincerely doubt he would have that knowledge, though.

Eternal Chaos says:

"The_Creator says:

"Eternal Chaos says:

"The_Creator says: BLOCKQUOTE>MM has fought other matter/energy/reality manipulators before and fairly ok. I am not pushing MM to win this fight but the facts point to this being far from a curbstomp. "I don't think it's a curbstomp (hence my creation of the thread) my issue here is how is MM going to fair against somebody who moves much faster than him, has a powerful resistance to telepathic attacks, and has matter manipulation. Like I find it a hard concept for MM to beat SS."

SS moves faster than MM in direct flight speed but I would argue that he moves faster than him in reaction speed - effectively true super speed reaction time. This harkens back to a thread discussing MM vs Majestic. It was called a draw as even with Majestic's matter manipulation powers (via his laser vision), we were unsure if he could effect MM while intangible. Like I said he has faced many other matter manipulators and he has held his own. "

I don't see MM taking this, and you don't see Surfer taking this. I'm willing to call it a draw due to the fact alot comes into play and they're both pretty even."

He said he's not pushing for MM to win...

Eternal Chaos says:

"The_Creator says:

"Eternal Chaos says:

"The_Creator says: BLOCKQUOTE>MM has fought other matter/energy/reality manipulators before and fairly ok. I am not pushing MM to win this fight but the facts point to this being far from a curbstomp. "I don't think it's a curbstomp (hence my creation of the thread) my issue here is how is MM going to fair against somebody who moves much faster than him, has a powerful resistance to telepathic attacks, and has matter manipulation. Like I find it a hard concept for MM to beat SS."

SS moves faster than MM in direct flight speed but I would argue that he moves faster than him in reaction speed - effectively true super speed reaction time. This harkens back to a thread discussing MM vs Majestic. It was called a draw as even with Majestic's matter manipulation powers (via his laser vision), we were unsure if he could effect MM while intangible. Like I said he has faced many other matter manipulators and he has held his own. "

I don't see MM taking this, and you don't see Surfer taking this. I'm willing to call it a draw due to the fact alot comes into play and they're both pretty even."

He said he's not pushing for MM to win...

Sparda says:

"The_Creator says:

"Sparda says:

"Marvel is the winner. He would kill BB before BB had a chance to open his mouth. Oh, and I know it's not canon, but Superman almost died from getting hit by that nuke in DKR. Just thought I'd point that out for kicks."

It KO'ed him but it was a 10kt nuke or the like and it went off in his face. This was also near the start of the Byrnes run and since then Superman has had at less three power increases and Marvel appears to have kept pace with him. "

Wait, I was talking about Dark Knight Returns. Did DC make that canon?

Oh jeez.....brain starting hurting from craziness again...."

Now imagine that force, but lasting for a good 10 seconds. There's no way Marvel could keep consciousness.

The_Creator says:

"LegendaryKYJ says:

"Oh do explain how he dodges sound itself, I really must know."

When you go to speak is their a concsious thought ?

When you go to take a fight action, is their conscious thought ?

Yes of course there is.

BB thinks and reacts at about 2 times the speed of a peak human.

Marvel can think and react at speeds hundreds of times faster than this.

Marvel accelerates to this speed of thought/movement in microfractions of a second. To him BB is standing still, frozen in time. BB has not uttered a sound, so there is no sound to outrace.

BB is dead before he realises Marvel has moved.

You have seen the Flash move like this hundreds of times in the comics, so has Superman and so can Marvel.

Oh and Marvel can outrave sound - that travels at 720mph through air - he can move at hundreds of thousands of mph (and has been shown to almost reach the speeds the Flash travels at). With his power of 'super speed' he can accelerate to thousnads of mph in the blink of an eye - just like the Flash can.

However comics would get pretty boring when you realise that one character can eliminate most of the opposition."

Where did you get the impression Captain Marvel has such a degree of reflex? The problem with the speed issue is the ambiguity, he was granted swiftness and wisdom, not super comprehension. Regardless of how you believe the character would react in this particular situation, Marvel doesn't posses that degree of reaction time. An enraged Hulk couldn't harm Black Bolt quick enough for him to use his whisper, and Marvel has never shown his resilience against a force such as BB's voice.
Post Edited:2007-10-17 13:26:48

The_Creator says:

"Eternal Chaos says:

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"The_Creator says:

"No energy weapons or matter control to date has been shown to effect MM while he is intangible. His reaction speed to turn intangible would be sufficient to get him in to this form before SS could launch his attack. Is the Surfer immune to telepathy - not to my knowledge. Galactus did meedle with his mind so that he would not feel the effects of being responsible for the death of billions. He did not however render him immune to telepathy. SS has strong will power and has shrugged off telepathic attacks but MM is a hugely powerful telepath. I am relatively confident that given time MM could get through to SS with a telepathic attack. Could SS come up with an attack that could effect MM in the mean time - possibly. Would a blackhole effect MM while intangible ? From what I have seen - no it would not. SS can escape from MM's telepathic range but thats it."

My issue is this, Sufer has incredible molecular manipulation powers, so who's to say he can't tear MM apart on a moleculer level. That's my thought. If MM turns intangible, good for him, Surfer controls his molecules and a Sandman, MM's not so he wouldn't come back together. Surfer moves faster than MM so that's another factor that comes into play."

And who's to say he can rip MM apart on a molecular basis. So far, and to my knowledge, no physical weapon/energy control has effected MM while intangible."

It's not energy or weapons, to my knowledge, Norin can control molecules so that being said can make Surfer the winner in this battle."

MM has fought other matter/energy/reality manipulators before and fairly ok.

I am not pushing MM to win this fight but the facts point to this being far from a curbstomp.

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I guess the real question is, how lenient does the surfer feel at the moment? If SS is in old herald mode, MMH is done.