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@jbourne_32: I don't think they have crossed paths in the new 52.

@agent41: Cheetah was able to scratch Flash....is she now the fastest being in DC? The Bad writing was in JL comic where she was able to take on the JL by herself. Flash is many times faster than Cheetah and yet she was able to scratch him with ease. Cheetha is not faster than Supe or Flash. The only reason she was able to bite Supe is because she is magic / supernatural base but mostly due to (silly writing).

Blue Marvel is not weak against magic and even if he were he has the ability to make force fields and just keep her at a distance. As far as being faster than BM, BM does need more feats. However, he was able to defeat Hyperion and go toe to toe with Sentry. I personally believe Hyperion and Sentry are both stronger and more durable than Cheetha and faster than her.

So if DC Comics come out with JL # ( Blank) where Green Arrow takes down Batman and Supe with ease, are you going to be on here arguing how GA is superior than Supe and Bats? I am going to guess probably not....you're probably going to be like me and say it's silly/bad writing. I will admit that Cheetha is on WW level. It's just that believe Diana has a slight advantage over her. Blue Marvel is somewhat like Icon b/c he pretty much have all of Supe's strengths and none of his weaknesses and possess additional powers.

@reaverlation: I only posted that scan to counter the bizarre belief that Blue Marvel wouldn't even be able to touch Cheetah when WW and even Catwoman (street level character) have done it on different occasions. I am in no way saying that Catwoman is on the same level as Cheetah but I am saying that Cheetah is not capable of defeating the following characters: Superman, Wonder Woman, Flash, GL, and Batman (who happens to be a street level character). Blue Marvel is able to attack Cheetah on the molecular level. I'm not even a huge fan of Blue Marvel but I am able to see the following advantages he have over Cheetha. Strength, durability, speed, intelligence but even if he didn't have these advantages his antimatter powers would still give him at least a 50/50 chance against her b/c he can attack her on a molecular level and in this case the possibilities are somewhat limitless.

So let me help you out with your reasoning:

When (Character X / Blue Marvel) is stronger, faster, as durable if not more, and smarter than (Character Y / Cheetha). Plus X has antimatter manipulation and Y doesn't. It shouldn't' be confusing how I came to my conclusion. The only advantage Cheetha "may" have is in fighting knowledge/ability but having more kicking and punching experience would be somewhat useless when your opponent is faster, stronger, as durable if not more durable, smarter, and have antimatter control.

So let's just agree to disagree on this.

@agent41: Cheetah taking on WW, Superman, and Flash is bad writing. To be honest, it's just plain silly. WW is more than enough to handle Cheetah. If you are unable to see how a being who is on Thor, King Hyperion, and Sentry's level would most likely own Cheetah than you're only fooling yourselves. Some of you are saying that Blue Marvel wouldn't even be able to touch her when Catwoman have done it more than once.

Here's another scan of bad writing....

Cheetah is strong, fast, and durable, but she's not superior than WW, Flash, or Superman. The only reason why Cheetah was able to bite Superman is because she is magic/supernatural base. Vampires and werewolves are also able to bite and scratch Supe....umm yeah. Based off some of your logic than Thor wouldn't be able to touch Cheetah because Thor's combat speed is not that great.

LOL, Blue Marvel would own her. Blue would have a 50/50 chance against her even if he didn't have his super strength, speed, or durability. Why? Well, it's kind of simple b/c he would still have his antimatter manipulation powers. Blue Marvel can destroy Cheetah on a molecular level. He can cause her atoms to explode.

Cheetah is not on Superman, Wonder Woman, GL, Cyborg, Flash, Batman, and many more level. I don't know what's going on here....it must be some kind a prank or something. To say that BM wouldn't even land a strike is somewhat bizarre when street level characters like Catwoman are able to hit and/or hurt cheetah.

Blue Marvel defeated "King Hyperion ". Hyperion and Sentry are on Thor's level.

Blue is much faster and many times more powerful than Catwoman.

I am lending towards Thor but It could go either way. Icon needs more feats. However, I am not going to say that he doesn't have a chance b/c he doesn't have any of Supe's silly weaknesses and have pretty much all of Supes powers and then some.

Additional Icon Powers :

• Hand Blast: Icon can project powerful positron energy blasts from his hands.
• Concussion Force Beams: Icon can release positron energy from his hands as bolts of concussive force. A low power force bolt can flick on a light switch, but at maximum power the amount of damage is unknown.
• Stun Bolts: Icon can project low-energy positron bolts that render human beings unconscious by disrupting the electrical impulses in their nervous systems.
• Expanding Energy Bolts: Icon can fire bolts of positron energy that can rapidly expand upon contact with a object, person, or target. The size to which the bolts expands vary.
• Energy Ball Projection: Icon can create balls of positrons that he can launch at rapid fire rates.
• Energy Enhanced Punches: Icon can focus positron energy into his fists, which he can then use to shatter any substance, and increase his strength.
• Energy Pulse: Icon can produce a surge of positron energy (from his hands or entire body), which can disrupt biological or technical technology.
• Energy Waves: Icon can release waves of positron energy and use them in various ways (to damage, push, bind and/or paralyze people). The waves can be sent through any form of matter creating ruptures, and can go through anything.
• Omnidirectional Energy Waves: Icon can release all of his body's positron energy as massive positron waves in ever direction, causing devastating damage.
• Positron Constructs: Icon can turn positron energy into whatever he desires ( tools, objects, weapons and other items). He can also use positron energy to create semi-living constructs and/or create structures/buildings of varying permanence.
• Positron Field: Icon can detect the presence of Bang Babies within his vicinity by flooding an area with a field of positrons.The field interacts with the invisible quantum well surrounding a Bang Baby, who then glows as he or she gives off mild gamma particles. Icon can use these fields to distinguish Bang Babies from other meta humans as well as normal humans.
• Force Field: Icon can use positrons to create quasi-solid energy fields to entrap opponents. The force fields becomes more powerful, by absorbing kinetic energy.
• Energy Shields: Icon can create extremely powerful positron energy shields, capable of withstanding tremendous impact force and physical/energy attacks.

Thor's combat speed isn't that great. Yes, Mjolnir allows Thor to fly many times the speed the light but in combat his speed is on a metahuman and/or peak human level. That's why most Thor's physical attacks usually can be countered by Cap, Wolverine, and a few others that are nowhere near Icon/Supe speed.

As far as strength goes, I think Superman is stronger than Thor. And even if Thor was slightly stronger than normal powered Supe, Supe can sundip for a few seconds and would be stronger, faster, more durable, be temporarily immune to his weakness, and can gain new abilities. So if Icon is close to Supe's strength level, That would make Icon and Thor around the same strength level.

However, I also believe that Thor's hammer strike is more destructive than a normal charged Superman's punch because b/c of the following: Thor's strength/power, Mjolnir's weight, Magic, Uru metal, speed of the strike, and probably a few more things. In other words, if spider-man had Mjolnir, Spidy's hammer strike would be very destructive....just not as destructive as Thor's.

Like I stated earlier, It could go either way because although Icon is faster and probably on the same strength level as Thor......but Thor's strikes are more destructive than Icon's. Plus, Mjonlnir grants Thor many abilities. Icon lacks feats so we don't know the full ability of his positron manipulation, strength, durability and speed.

So If I had to choose, I would say Thor wins 6 out of 10 times.

@boringperson: LOL, I don't think you're irrational. We're just debating. You believe Cheetah would defeat Blue and that's cool. Sure, It's possible but I just think it's unlikely because of BM power set. I like the Blue Marvel character but the character needs some work and needs more feats. I like Spidey way more than Blue Marvel but I think Blue would defeat him.

As far as Supe being immune to magic, I haven't read or heard anything about that. Let's call it a draw.

@boringperson: Wow, well, I guess no one can defeat Cheetah.... Wonder Woman , Superman, Batman, Flash, GL, no one can stop her. Yeah, I am being sarcastic...........everyone I just just listed can thrash Cheetah. Flash is faster than Cheetah and would own her. WW has kicked Cheetah's tail on many occasions. Although she is magic base, Supe would still own her b/c he has many ways to counter her speed....by the way, Superman is faster than her. Superman can increase his abilities and become temporarily immune to his weaknesses. Blue doesn't have to sundip b/c he's already immune to her physical attacks.

Blue is as powerful and strong as Sentry and Thor. However, Blue is still relatively a new character so he lack Feats. However, feats shouldn't be the only tool we use to compare characters. We have to be rational. Spider-Man has more feats than Sentry...does that mean Sentry would lose to Spidy? NO, of course not. Even if Cheetah could damage Blue, his super healing would kick in. Blue controls antimatter....he can manipulate molecules, atoms, protons, electrons, and so on. Atoms, electrons, and so on are all around us....and yes, even inside of Cheetah.

Magic works on everyone to a certain degree. However, DC writers have taken this to a ridiculous level as it relates to Superman. A magical water-balloon would hurt him if not kill him. Marvel doesn't have silly weaknesses for their characters. To defeat Blue, You're most likely going to have to be more powerful and/or smarter than him and she's neither.

@agent41: I am willing to give Cheetah the advantage in speed....but not by much. She is strong but she's not on Blue's or Thor's level. She's also not on Supe's level but magic base / supernatural beings can hurt Supe very easily. That's why vampires and werewolves can hurt him. Blue doesn't' have any of Supe's weaknesses. It doesn't matter how fast she is if Blue can destroy planets with his bare hands or he cloud just simply destroy her on a molecular level. He does control antimatter after all. He could theoretically cause her entire body to explode by just manipulating her atoms.

True, Cheetah was able to bite Superman but that doesn't mean she will be able to bite Blue b/c BM doesn't have any of Supe's silly weaknesses. And even if she were able to bite him (Which I doubt), Blue has super healing. Cheetah has a slim speed advantage and that's the only advantage she has. Back to Superman being bitten....the only reason why she was able to bite him was because she is magic base/supernatural....vampires and werewolves can bite Supe as well.

Blue Marvel wins 8 out of 10 times.