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I think Ryo Sakazaki wins this one. AOF characters are always beasts, they have great skills/supers and Ryo is no joke if SNK gives him all his moveset, making him one of the toughest to beat. Terry is the 2nd for the title and Kyo is 3rd.

I want to precise I played all the games where these characters come from and I prefer SNK fighting games but my opinion is honest about what they have and not. So, Ryu is a relatable character in the Capcom games but he's basic and has barely evolved as as a fighter. I don't take in count any games' mechanic, only the skills, their DM(Desperation Moves), what they have offered as a whole during all these years.

@yolo2546: Hi! You replied to my 2 years old post lol Lady Death or Infinity are cosmic abstracts they don't have a gender. We saw Lady Death many times adopting a male form, so...I wanted a cosmic beings not a cosmic abstracts.

Hi! Aaron didn't do justice to the PF. I'm not against another avatar because JG seems definitively rejecting it and a new path for it with full of possibilities but not a x-(wo-)man. So, that's why I chose Alpha. The problem is the bad writing of the PF the last decace(Hope/Phoenix 5/etc) that I dislike. It destroyed the Phoenix as a new concept to be explored. My only regret is in that new era, it will be done without JG and Rachel.

Hi One_TruePhoenix! I read what you posted 2 days ago too and I have time so I can answer you.

I want to see the cosmic-side of the PF explored because it's what it lacks to the original story. There are some tries with Chris Claremont on Rachel as Pheonix 2 but it was not like the other explorations of a cosmic beings like Silver Surfer as example.

The PF is not like other cosmic as we saw in the Marvelverse. At the beginning it was Jean's full potential as a Psi but after the retcon they made it a "Cosmic Force". I like the visual and powerset of the PF, it's just too much ICONIC to not be re-used by Marvel(of course not like in The Avengers of Aaron).

I like the PF but it's the lack of a true development from the writers that piss me off, not the PF itself.

The repetition I don't want is changing hosts.

For me it's clear that the Force always existed but not as Phoenix Force which is a creation of Jean Grey. JG is responsible of the Phoenix persona. When her friend Annie died, JG connected to the astral plan and she has just given the Force its bird-form because she saw the emblem of the Shiar Empire through the M'kraan cystal. The link was created but it's only when JG died that the Force merged with her. The Force is a source that every living beings used/have access but it was not a Cosmic Being itself before JG. The PF began to identify itself and be one with JG. When JG as Phoenix saved the universe in the M'kraan crystal its should be her and not a Phoenix duplicate. After this event it's a part of JG who returned with the X-Men but not as a whole being: her soul shattered whith the PF in multiple pieces when she saved the Universe the 1st time. So, it was a part of her who became Dark Phoenix and when DP comitted suicide and returned to the White Hot Room, the rest of her who tried to be reassembled reejected the DP's piece. The unfinished reassembled JG recreated herself in a Phoenix cocoon in the Jamaica Bay where she will be found. Whith the Morrison's run, the PF remerged with JG to reassemble all of the missing pieces. In Phoenix Resurrection, JG ultimately rejected the PF. ANY of her pieces are no longer tied to the PF! So, it explains why the PF acts so weirdly this time: it searches a purpose and a new host. It doesn't really need a host but it's the way the PF has ever acted since JG. The Phoenix searches is place in the Universe. It's the oldest force but the yougest cosmic entity at the same time! What is its role? It's the core of its new quest without JG.

I propose Alpha as the new host for the PF. This mutant was created by Magneto ans is propbably an Omega level mutant with psi skills. He lives in the garden of the Stranger where he is imprisoned by this last one. Alpha is someone who is in search of a purpose in life and I think he is suited for the newly PF.

I prefer they used the new PF's avatar like the use of the Silver Surfer in 70-90's where he had great space adventures but with some morals behind the stories.

Sorry, I know it was a long text. I want to add I prefer it's something related to JG's DNA: Jean can access to the unlimited astral plan force and merge with it(like her pink form which is redundant with PF), so her offsprings too. If not the case, what's the point with Jean's DNA if it's not so special? It's a part of her development and myth too. So not letting the Phoenix related to JG it's not doing justice for the character and powerful females representation who are always de-powered/regressed/killed and so on. Phoenix is JG, it's not Thor's hammer or Captain America's shield! This is the point where I can't be agreed with you.

Stupid debate: Mags can solo by sending Hulk into space! End of the story! If he can't enter Earth's attraction field what can he do to them? NOTHING! It doesn't matter how strong Hulk is when he needs to walk on a solid surface to be really able to do something! Super strength is nothing in comparison to the potential of energy and matter manipulation because what it permits the users of these powers at high levels give them the edge against single super strength as power! There's no debate about it: the team is the winner here.

I updated the list for Avengers and I authorized Vulcan/Phoenix Jean(her level against Firelord)/Rachel with PF echo because of high Energy manipulators in the Avengers side. Also they are bloodlusted for this battle.

Well, it's me who gave the rules and I forgot to add mutant X-members only. Also, Vulcan is not in the same situation of Magneto for citing only one case. Legion is in here because he's not really bad but crazy. So, that's why I took him in the list. It was difficult to choose between the X-Men because most of them(the more powerful) have the same power. Should I take only one mutant with TK/TP and ignore the rest?

Don't forget to advise me for Avengers' members because there are a lot of them. Thanks!

Jug is not a mutant and Vulcan is an enemy.

The X-(wo)men(only mutants here and regular members): Professor X/Magneto/Jean Grey(basic Phoenix against Firelord only & Teen Jean's feats allowed)/Iceman/Polaris/Storm/Rogue/Rachel Summers(PF echo & Mother Askani allowed)/Cable(full powered)/X-Man/Legion(in control)/Northstar/Magik(Darkchylde)/Hope Summers/Namor/Vulcan

The Avengers: Hulk/Thor/Iron Man/Spectrum(Monica Rambeau)/Vision/Scarlet Witch(no HoM)/Quicksilver/Binary(Carol Danvers)/Genis-Vell(not insane)/Dr Strange(with the Eyes of Agammotho)/Wonder Man/Sersi/Sentry(full control)/Moondragon/Mantis/Blue marvel/Nova(Richard Rider)/Hyperion/Quasar

No prep for all the characters. Random encounter in New York city with no people. BFR allowed and there are all bloodlusted now!

NB: If you have some suggestions for missing powerful heroes in each team tell me like that I can add them to the list(I can't remember all their cast I did this for fun and at this moment so sorry and thanks for understanding) but don't remember ONLY the powerful ones not Captain America or Cyclops for request, please.

It's the Jean ascended who is one with the PF unless she faces IG Thanos no one here has a chance even combined. In DP movie, it's clearly explained that she merged with the force of creation itself. She can't die as showed in the movie because she's automatically resurrected herself. Thor/Odin/The Ancient One/Dr Strange are non factor here. She can desintegrate Surtur with ease. IMO, the celestial is not so powerful because they(celestial race) used the power of the infinity stones to achieve things and since only IG Thanos can truly face her, I doubt a ridiculous simple celestial can. Kill Ego can take a moment. And finally she will finish Dormammu because he can't compared to what she is the unlimited force of creation! WITH PREP THEY ARE OVER-DEAD!!!