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Some really great posts here! And I'm glad to see that apparently many comic fans actually enjoyed the movie!

@nickzambuto: I did notice the penis shaped ships and the uterous shape of some doors; but I would never make all these connections you just mentioned. I don't know if your annalogy is right and if it was what they really meant, but it all makes indeed a lot of sense! Awesome post!

@jb681131: Interesting you mention Green Lantern, cause for similar reasons I delayed MoS, I haven't watched it either. I think I'll give it a chance! If I'm not mistaken it is available in Netflix in my region.

Since a quite a while I was interested in watching Man of Steel but delayed it many times due to so many critics I've read and due to it's horrible "professional" score. I thought that maybe it would be just bad, and besides my curiosity I always placed another movie in the front line.

This week I read Lois and Clark and The Final Days of Superman, which gave me steam to finally get the movie and watch it once and for all. Gotta say it was a great idea!

Not perfect indeed... I didn't like how much they destroyed Metropolis while the movie kind of ignored that should exist people in all that buildings. During battles the city felt empity most certainly cause they didn't want to show victims for two reasons: a) Superman saves people, so people dying wouldn't do any good; b) it would become too violent for it's PG-13 rate.

I also didn't like how Lois appread in that building by the end of the movie out of nowhere, when she should at that certain moment be far from there. No way she could have reached the place that fast.

However... other than that, I think I liked everything else.

I tink they managed to introduce Superman very well telling his origin as a baby born in Krypton, his childhood in earth, how much he had to endure, his biological and non-biological parents good values that drawn his personality, why he wears that symbol, what makes him so strong, among other things.

The special effects were also pretty damn great! The fights (besides the city destruction exaggeration) were also pretty awesome and portrayed well the impact and power of the conflict.

I'm not really aware of the comics story about Superman origins, maybe the movie could have distorted it given justification for some low scores; I can't tell about it though. But judging by what I wathced and by the little I understand about the hero, I think it was a relly great movie that deserved much better critics than it received! I would highly recommend it!

You ressurrected your 4 days old thread just for this? lmao

Anyway, as I said, I don't think GotG is a perfect super-hero movie, it has it's problems too. And I didn't say the introduction of characters in GotG was good, I just said they were better explored as a whole, since all of them actually seemed useful during the adventure, a factor which Suicide Squad failed terribly at. But I do think that the characters introduction in SS was really bad as well... they took too long to introduce them and still failed to portray their right picture, and even yet they didn't introduced all of them, killed one in a blink of an eye, and introduced the vilain with a very stupid and contraditory story (an archeologist find a historic piece in the middle of nowhere and decide to break it? I'm sure they could have come with something else). No need to say that Joker wasn't good either, they didn't take the necessary time to explore him and his design was just plain bad.

Also, Star Lord dancing and Enchantress dacing are very different situations. Star Lord dacing wasn't meant to be taken serious, it was meant to be fun, to make people laugh (even though it failed with you, but many laughed at the theater) and break the tense situation, while Enchantress dancing was just bad acting or a very awkard director decision, cause it was meant to be taken serious, it was meant to be a legit characteristic of her.

Again, I do not hate Suicide Squad, it actually managed to entertain me. I just think it's a movie that had huge potentional but was totally wasted for whatever reason it may be (maybe they had problem with the classification, maybe they feared people would judge the movie if they got to a darker route, maybe it was just bad direction, maybe lack of time... I don't really know). In the other hand GotG hitted many right spots in my opinion: they were able to portray the exact image they wanted from the characters (fun), the heroes had their importance, the soundtrack was done right (in SS it totally wasn't), and well... it was fun from the beginning to the end.

Still haven't watched Logan, but I actually think Iron Man trilogy is decent as a whole, while I really have not enjoyed the other Wolwerine movies. That said, Iron Man.

I think they're good to keep going and trying to improve. Also, after BvS, which I really appreciated besides agreeing that Michael Cera wasn't a good Lex Luthor, I'm very positive about Wonder Woman and Justice League. Suicide Squad was a bad movie, but even that I think they could actually fix in a sequel.

I think you mean at 0:04, right? It says "MARV".

About the trailer, it seems pretty awesome! I have a feeling it won't be able to top the 1st movie though. I was taken totally by surprise back then and that was crazy! Totally looking forward to watching this!

Seriously...

I don't think Suicide Squad was terrible overall, I actually enjoyed the movie as a whole quite a bit. But the main reason (but not the only one) I enjoyed GotG WAY more than SS was the character development. And no, it wasn't "because Marvel" since I generally like DC movies more (I loved BvS by the way).

In Suicide Squad you had a bunch of super villains, that should be portrayed as a mad and evil group, that didn't felt at all like villains. I really think the characters were portrayed all wrong. Also, some of the characters in Suicide Squad seemed to be there for no reason... except for Deadshot and Harley Quinn, every other character was completely wasted.

The way they introduced the characters was also generally terrible. They didn't introduce Slipknot at all and killed him right away. The Enchantress introduction was also pretty ridiculous (an archeologist stumble across an interesting historic piece, but deicedes for whatever reason break it in half and so becomes possessed).

Also, all that talk about friendship and dreams in Suicide Squad just felt corny and out of place. Again, the movie was suppose to portray a bunch of dangerous psychopaths, some of the most dangerous DC villains... not a bunch of sensible beings.

There were also some other bad / strange decisions. The Joker was a big disappointment in pretty much all departments; his outfit was terrible, the acting wasn't so good (don't know if Jared Leto is at complete fault here, or if he didn't had the chance to show more of his character) and he should have had a longer and more interesting presence overall. The Enchantress death scene was terrible and the way she turned the whole city citzens into monsters was laughable (tongue kissing each one of them).

Honestly... I think both movies are not comparable in terms of overall quality. GotG may not be a perfect movie, but it was fun and the characters were much better explored. There wasn't nearly as many bad moments.

I've recently read, in this order, to introduce me to Rebirth: Flashpoint > The Darkseid War > Lois and Clark.

Just finished reading Lois and Clark, really enjoyed it, but there are some questions that I started with and it wasn't answered thourgh the reading:

1- This Clark from the black suit, came from which universe?

2- Is the universe he is now the same from Darkseid War? Is it Earth-1?

3- That Anti-Monitor fight that was shown, was that from another Crisis before The Darkseid War?

4- What about that fight between the Justice League vs. Darkseid? That wasn't during Darkseid War, I guess a much earlier event?

5- Why this Clark (the one of Lois and Clark story) didn't interfere in Darkseid War?

6- Lois and Clark story happened after Flashpoint?

I wanted to tell DCEU, but honestly... I don't know. If they want to take risk, they have to embrace it. Suicide Squad was a movie about only villains, but I wouldn't say they took any risk when they portrayed them almost as good guys.