One Last Flop - Aquaman and The Lost Kingdom scores low on RT. R.I.P. DCEU, at least you tried.

I mean, we all knew nobody would really be willing to back a movie with Amber Turd after what happened.

@chimeroid: A lot of simps and feminist extremists still back her but they are heavily outnumbered and really can't do much for her lol

a "lot" is a relative statement, it's like a very low % of the entire population. And even Amber Heard simps are kinda hating on the movie because Momoa was making fun of her.

Also, Ben Affleck's Batman cameo never made it into the final cut of the film.... wonder how much they wasted on him.

@chimeroid: Alright, correction: a few and they really can't do jack to save this film.

Hahaha, yeah apparently Momoa showed up on set dressed like Jack Sparrow to piss off Turd. Good on him.

Damn.

DCEU started off solid with MoS and now look where it ended.

Not surprised

Heh, who is actually surprised by this ? Honestly, the surprise would have been if this Film was actually some Good. Strangely Enough I actually kind of liked Blue Beetle and that Movie flopped hard as heck too. Meh, the desire to see a lot of these Superhero Movies not there like it used to be.

Man this year has been a blow for super hero movies lol especially for actors

@rjr: @king_saturn: Batman and Spider-Man films are still going strong, both The Batman and ATSV performed well. Superman might also get a resurgence with Superman: Legacy.

Outside of the big three though, all bets are off.

some critics were "shocked" by something in the movie that also happened in the comics

Well…

DCEU been dead.

@straight-fire: Lets bury it.

@nohoour: yo… no way they did what I think they did… please tell me they did it….

@a_fine_edition: Read the whole plot on wikipedia, can tell you they didn't do anything. Movie had no stakes.

RIP DC. Its legacy will live on

@lilacplasmabeam: DC's not going anywhere, its brand may actually heal now that the DCEU is dead.

Theres no doubt in my mind that Superman Legacy will be good. The future is bright

@xd_ist: I believe so too, DCEU is a stain and at the rate it's going, the MCU might become one too. A reboot is in order for both.

@ghostodoofus2: I meant DCEU

Even at the end, the DCEU needed to prove they could out-flop the MCU. Sad way to go out.

Let's prepare for the release of the DCU. Although I'm a bit disappointed by the ending of the DCEU, a new era is finally starting. Hopefully, James Gunn can sustain newfound success in his films.

haven't seen the movie so don't know if it is good or not, but i wouldn't use rotten tomatoes as a an example of whats good or not. they are the same people who gave sharknado an 80 after all.

also most of the people who saw the film, form what i have seen and heard, actually liked it.

inb4 they hire Taika Waititi for the 'new era'

Sharknado is a cinematic masterpiece... dont set such high expectations so high for cape flicks.

@sabracadabra: Sharknado knew what it was though... it was intentionally made to be silly and its producerd were very much aware of what they were doing. If what you said was intended to be a joke, it'll be rated on comedic merits.

You don't have that going for Aquaman though...

Guys they had a good run, but let's accept that the superhero era is well and truly over for now...

The Color Purple managed to beat it in North America as well.

Sad but not surprising

@shirso: Whoaaaa, the DCEU absolutely did not have a good run.

@ghostodoofus2:

So you just blatantly ignored the fact it has an 80% audience score??

The critics scores are rarely accurate. Frankly whenever I see a good critic score I'm confident it's a movie I won't like. It's usually the average to low critics scores that are worth watching

Based on what

@jurance: MoS wasn't solid, not sure what you watched

Um, I don't know what qudi nice is, care to elaborate? I assume you meant to write "audience" but just confirm with me on that one, mate.

I never said I fully trust critic reviews on Rotten Tomatoes, I do agree that RT has become pretty corrupt (especially when they collect reviews for new Disney releases), I trust Metacritic more. However, my sentiment towards RT is quite irrelevant here, most normies however do rely on RT, they would not have the patience to make effort in aggregating data on their own and as soon as they see that film has a mediocre to low score on RT, they'll ignore it; the problem with audience scores is that you have to visit the actual page of the film to see it whereas the critic scores are on display as soon as you do a quick Google search, so audience does not have as a high a reach.

I should also clarify that I believe a film's success is measured by net earnings from box office receipts. The average Hollywood movie needs to earn over 2.5x its production budget in box office gross to make profit when we factor in the costs: production budget, marketing costs, distribution expenses and taxes. If we go by this rule of thumb, Aquaman is currently not on track to make the $500M+ it needs to cover for its $200M+ production budget, marketing costs, theatre expenses and taxes... movies dwindle drastically after opening weekend and so far, this film is underperforming worldwide.

???

You must have... a unique taste. Just saying though, audience score can be/is just as unreliable and inaccurate as critics score, if not more. What you consider 'worth watching' are besides the point, though no offence. Don't know why a good critics score would be a red flag for you when the textbook definition of critics are people who judge the merits and try to measure the quality of a piece.

@ghostodoofus2:

The whole DCEU had a combined production budget of $2.6b and a box office of $6.8b that's a 160% average return on investment (without marketing budget but also without streaming income, DVD sales, merchandising).

The DCEU had 15 movies with an average profit of $300m. That actually is a good run. Movies have had MULTIPLE sequels on a lot less average return. Now it wasn't a great run like MCU, but it was good.

MCU had 33 movies with an average return on investment (in box office only and without marketing budget also) of $696m

For example

the police academy movies (there were 7 in the franchise) made an average return on investment of $33m

The Rambo franchise had 5 movies with an average return on investment of $121m

Rocky had 9 films in the franchise with an average return on investment of $177m

The John wick franchise has had 4 movies with an average return on investment of $193m

Fast and the furious is another great franchise like MCU 11 films with an average return on investment of $506m

All these returns are total box office of franchise minus production costs then decided by the films made. Aquaman 2 hasn't finished at the box office yet. In its first weekend internationally it's returned half it's production costs so it's still got at least another month and a half. This might raise the average another 20-30m. Even if it didn't right now it has been a "good" run a 160% return on investment isn't bad by any means

@ghostodoofus2:

That was meant to be audience score not sure what happened but have corrected

The movie has already grossed $126m in its first weekend on a $205m budget. That is with 17 regions out of 40 internationally not having reported box office data yet (some because it didn't release till the 26th, not sure of others) so there's potentially another $30m or so not included in counted yet. The Flash's opening weekend only made $55m and ended up with $270m (almost 5 times the amount). black Adam opening weekend $67m and ended with $393m (5.8 times the opening). So with an opening of $128m it's likely going to finish it's cinema run with around $600m to $700m.

The original only had a $67m domestic opening and a $88m international. Its opening weekend was only $30m more. It dropped 23% second weekend 43% third and an average of 30% per weekend for the 15 weeks of it's cinema run. On that basis this one will have $359m by about 9 weeks. Xmas releases don't tend to run as long as mid year as more movies are.coling out so it might only run for 12 or so (maybe 15 like the first) not say the 19 weeks of Quantamanium. It should comfortably get to around $500m with the start it's got

@agmine570:

Critics tend to give low scores to films based on predictability. They also score low on plots which in many cases these movies follow plots from the comics that I've already thoroughly enjoyed. These are things I expect going into every superhero or action movie. Especially when they follow source material I already enjoy and know well. Its not something that brings a movie down for me (quite the opposite. it's what I want in such a movie).

Audience scores on the other hand are usually (or a large percentage of are) from fans of the source material who have a similar perspective to me and are therefore more aligned with how I would see it.

In my own review of Aquaman 2 RT (which I gave 4 1/2 stars) I was clear they tried too many jokes and several missed the mark but the action and effects were brilliant. The story flowed well for me and followed the path I expected (which is what I want in a Superhero movie). It had a few surprises to keep me intrigued but not enough to diverge from the overall line of the story I expected. Personally I enjoyed it more than the first one. That's me, everyone's different but I suspect fans of the source material aren't and that is probably where about 70% of the audience score comes from

It released here on the 26th, we (my 4 kids and I) arrived half an hour b4 our showing. The cinema screening of it before us was 75% full (there's a screen that shows available seats left of the showing film) ours was around 60% (20 seats still available out of 60 when the theatre opened). Australian box office figures still aren't showing in the figures on the Numbers $126m for opening weekend (potentially they might add another $3-$4m maybe 5). Neither are figures for Argentina, Austria, Belgium, Chile, Czech rep, Japan, Netherlands, NZ, Paraguay, Philippines, Poland, Portugal, Rumania, Russia, Slovakia or South Africa. Those regions not reported with box office figures yet added over $80m to the $1.9b international box office of endgame (Aust $24m, Russia $15.6m, Japan $13m Argentina $6.8m, Poland $4.7m just to name a few). Some of the others didn't report figures for endgame either (and usually don't) like NZ and Philippines.

Does anyone even care? I was just waiting for this movie to come out so we can move on

Don't go by me... I'm not much for seeing films in the theater anymore due to hearing loss...

A couple friends have enjoyed Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom. The film was not promoted.

My basic problem with the entire DCEU is that it was founded on quicksand. The MCU had a solid Blueprint. They knew what they were doing. Warner Bros. / DC released Press Release after Press Release announcing new projects. The WB/DC response to the MCU: Phase One Avengers was "we're going to do something DIFFERENT." Darkseid is not so much different from Thanos. I would argue that they are, in fact, quite SIMILAR. My definition of "different" would be to adapt JLA: Liberty and Justice. Or, Justice League: A Midsummer's Nightmare. THAT would be "different".

But, what do I know?

Audience score is surprisingly high, and it even managed to beat The Marvels in the box office, hopefully Momoa is kept around for the DCU.

Meh. Either way i will going to see it when it cames out on streaming

I'm pretty sure most superhero fans give af about that whole fiasco.

Deserved for not including the Karathen