Storm isn't going to go down easy. She has easily blocked Scott beam and she can blow both of them to another planet(joke)with her winds. And she also has her flash freeze which has been described as in an "instant". Both(Scott and Havok) require concentration. How would they do in a flash flood with electricity surging through the water. Or an F5 tornado. All of these and more options are available to her. And yes before anyone shows that back yard pic of cyclops. It might be difficult to do that if his/their eardrums are bursting and he/they are in below 0 temps which in turn slows down the human muscles considerably.
i dont think Storm could do anything to escape that wide blast Scott used against some sentinels Andferne has scans or if him just took off the glasses
@fanboy#1 said:
" storm beat cyke without her powers "
Madeline made Scott lose using her telepathy (according to Comicvine) and ,even if she didnt, Storm would stand zero chances against a powered Cyclops
" @Son Of Storm: true and since they are in a desert they have a power boost from da sun "
Well its not that big of a boost. But they wont drain as quickly. @Matezoide said:
" i dont think Storm could do anything to escape that wide blast Scott used against some sentinelsAndferne has scans or if him just took off the glasses "
Yea and in the time it would take to remove those glasses. Storm has flash frozen them both.
@fanboy#1: then it is PIS not only Scott is a amazing fighter,he also posses vast skills with his blasts,he shouldnt lose to a fighter in the level of Storm if it was someone like Iron Fist,or Shang Chi i can undestand,but Storm without using her powers? meh
"@randumo24: explain bloodlust= storm already having f5 tornadoes in the sand becuz of her anger in the sand! if scott opens his eyes hes screwed jk but so true "
well let's see there are points made above. He could remove the visor and not lose much power since it will recharge much faster being in that much sunlight, and that would obliterate her.
I thought Havok had to wear those special outfits back in the day to keep his power from continually dispersing out from him...? I didn't know he needed to concentrate to use it...it was like having uncontrollable spasms of energy exploding in every direction from his body... By not being able to cocentrate, he just would not be able to direct it (an omni-directional discharge would be fine here, if his blasts still dont effect Cyke)
@fanboy#1: If Storm throws a tornado at them, what are they going to do? She can instanstly freeze the entire battlefield or blow them into a mountainside in the literal blink of an eye with a gust of wind. My point is Storm has any number of ways of taking them out in the first split second of battle and they have no way whatsoever to counter or avoid these attacks.
Storm loses and here is another big reason why. All three are 'blood lusted' and they are in a terrain where no civilian casualties will occur. All three of them are Very powerful mutants. But Scott and Cyclops can cut loose without even worrying about effecting one another. In this scenario they could open up full throttle and overwhelm her easily.
She has no speed advantage over Scott and Alex, her being able to fly does not matter as well since both of them focus on ranged attacks.
" Storm loses and here is another big reason why. All three are 'blood lusted' and they are in a terrain where no civilian casualties will occur. All three of them are Very powerful mutants. But Scott and Cyclops can cut loose without even worrying about effecting one another. In this scenario they could open up full throttle and overwhelm her easily. She has no speed advantage over Scott and Alex, her being able to fly does not matter as well since both of them focus on ranged attacks. "
Hmm bloodlusted means. They are flash frozen by the time they can even think about blasting her. Also if this is a focused attack from Scott and Alex she can block it with lighting. It would take time for Scott to take off his visor to do a back yard blast. More than enough time for Storm to blast both Alex and Scott with lighting. Also how can they focus if an F5 tornado is on top of them? I hope you know that those things can be miles wide. Not saying that she has a full blown win. But its leaning a lot in her favor.
I love all the people who focus on, it takes Scott time to remove his Visor to do this type of blast or that. But guess what? He does not have to remove his Visor to level buildings, and put holes in mountains, or clear forests. He has more than enough power WITH the visor on to do whatever this scenario calls for. I understand that you like Storm, but either one of these two would give her one hell of a fight alone. Together is just too much and she is finished,
" I love all the people who focus on, it takes Scott time to remove his Visor to do this type of blast or that. But guess what? He does not have to remove his Visor to level buildings, and put holes in mountains, or clear forests. He has more than enough power WITH the visor on to do whatever this scenario calls for. I understand that you like Storm, but either one of these two would give her one hell of a fight alone. Together is just too much and she is finished, "
So exactly how does he do those things without removing his visor? All of his and his brother focused blast can be blocked by Storm by pressure dome or lightning. But the point remains neither of them have faster than thought reflexes which means a hurricane in less than a conscious thought or a tornado in the literal blink of an eye or even a instant freeze can do both of them end.
Your right I do like(love) Storm. But I (currently) don't let it swing my vote automatically to her. I believe that the speed of her powers will make her the victor.
Take a glance through my gallery to see Cyclops repeatedly doing things I mentioned without him removing his visor.
Cyclops does not have to think or react with his power, all he simply has to do is keep his eyes open.. His power is more instantaneous than what Storm can conjure up.
" Take a glance through my gallery to see Cyclops repeatedly doing things I mentioned without him removing his visor. Cyclops does not have to think or react with his power, all he simply has to do is keep his eyes open.. His power is more instantaneous than what Storm can conjure up. "
Thats what always questioned with him. Maybe you can help.
If he doesn't use his visor to control his blast(or release them) how come they aren't continuously being shot? I know he doesn't walk around with his eyes close. Since I always thought he has to use a certain control over his visor to control his beams?
Currently I'm not sure which technology is used. But at the beginning he had to touch his Visor, then it advanced to where he had a palm active device, and I know for a while it was mentally controlled.
I can easily post 20+ scans of Scott doing those type of power levels with his visor on. I'd rather not cluster up this thread with needless scans, but if that's what it takes I will. You can just as easily run through my gallery and see dozens of scans of Cyclops doing those power levels.
" Currently I'm not sure which technology is used. But at the beginning he had to touch his Visor, then it advanced to where he had a palm active device, and I know for a while it was mentally controlled. I can easily post 20+ scans of Scott doing those type of power levels with his visor on. I'd rather not cluster up this thread with needless scans, but if that's what it takes I will. You can just as easily run through my gallery and see dozens of scans of Cyclops doing those power levels. "
I'm still not sure that she would loose. But I'm starting to see how they would win.
I don't have the scans of Havok anymore, but there are some of him leveling an entire area into a massive crater. Punking a bunch of people in the process.
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There is a bunch with him keeping his Visor on. I can post some more if needed as well. The thing is Storm has to deal with both of them at the same time, all Scott needs is for Alex to keep her busy for a couple seconds and he could remove his visor and obliterate the area. She might be able to defeat one of the Summers brothers, but not together.
" I don't have the scans of Havok anymore, but there are some of him leveling an entire area into a massive crater. Punking a bunch of people in the process.
There is a bunch with him keeping his Visor on. I can post some more if needed as well. The thing is Storm has to deal with both of them at the same time, all Scott needs is for Alex to keep her busy for a couple seconds and he could remove his visor and obliterate the area. She might be able to defeat one of the Summers brothers, but not together. "
Nice scans but none of them show him doing anything Storm couldn't block with her lightning. I'm sorry but you keep forgetting one thing. BOTH of them are human. There is no way that they could survive this-------------------------------------------------------> This will kill(since its bloodlusted) noth of them. Neither of them can use thier powers if their frozen solid.Also Storm can easily just do this Blink of an eye. Instant.
1st off: I'm not taking a side in this fight, i'd just like to point something out.
Yes Storm blocked an Optic blast here, but look at the pic. The bolt she is using to block is only covering her front, she is wide open to a flanking attack from Havok.
The battle will be a quick finish. Even if cyclops and havok manages to get an attack before she quickly takes them both out with lightning, she could still just strike herself with lightning to shield herself in all areas of effect.
1st off: I'm not taking a side in this fight, i'd just like to point something out. Yes Storm blocked an Optic blast here, but look at the pic. The bolt she is using to block is only covering her front, she is wide open to a flanking attack from Havok. "
Not to mention the fact that Scott is more than capable of banking a single shot from a dozen different angles, and that there are also times when Scott has connected with Storm, and one occasion where his body absorbed her lightning and converted it into energy that he could use.
Also, more often than not when I have seen Storm use her powers it takes her a few seconds to focus enough to do anything really big.
" Not to mention the fact that Scott is more than capable of banking a single shot from a dozen different angles, and that there are also times when Scott has connected with Storm, and one occasion where his body absorbed her lightning and converted it into energy that he could use. Also, more often than not when I have seen Storm use her powers it takes her a few seconds to focus enough to do anything really big. "
Sorry but no
And Cyclops's body isn't absorbing a fatal lightning strike from Storm. He's already died from one
" Not to mention the fact that Scott is more than capable of banking a single shot from a dozen different angles, and that there are also times when Scott has connected with Storm, and one occasion where his body absorbed her lightning and converted it into energy that he could use. Also, more often than not when I have seen Storm use her powers it takes her a few seconds to focus enough to do anything really big. "
Sorry but no
And Cyclops's body isn't absorbing a fatal lightning strike from Storm. He's already died from one
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1) And I am saying that I have also seen times when she needs to focus. Like when she severely drops the temperature of the climate, for instance. Don't dismiss what I say because the writers are inconsistent.
" @Storm Calling said: 1) And I am saying that I have also seen times when she needs to focus. Like when she severely drops the temperature of the climate, for instance. Don't dismiss what I say because the writers are inconsistent. 2) Fatal, yet he is still alive? "
1. Forum rules is we go off of full power showing and not ones where she's been lowered or weakened. If your referring to when she dropped the temperatures on magneto then that was a weakened Storm.
2. Storm rarely strikes with a fully powered lightning bolt. She mostly uses bio electric bolts because they are much less fatal. This battle is blood lust on. The scan I posted was a fatal lightning and it killed scott on the spot. Storm had to resuscitate him because it killed him.
" @Storm Calling said: 1) And I am saying that I have also seen times when she needs to focus. Like when she severely drops the temperature of the climate, for instance. Don't dismiss what I say because the writers are inconsistent. 2) Fatal, yet he is still alive? "
1. Forum rules is we go off of full power showing and not ones where she's been lowered or weakened. If your referring to when she dropped the temperatures on magneto then that was a weakened Storm.
2. Storm rarely strikes with a fully powered lightning bolt. She mostly uses bio electric bolts because they are much less fatal. This battle is blood lust on. The scan I posted was a fatal lightning and it killed scott on the spot. Storm had to resuscitate him because it killed him.
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1) So shouldn't we be going with the version of Cyclops from Astonishing X-men where he can control his blasts without his visor and can atomize you by looking at you?
No, the specific occasion I was thinking of was when she used that tactic on Sebastian Shaw, but she has lowered the temperature on Magneto numerous times in the past.
2) The X-men were trying to recharge a device built by Tony Stark that kept an alternate dimension world alive. To do this, Storm, using Colossus as grounding, summoned the greatest ammount of energy that she could muster, pulled it all into her body from the atmosphere, and discharged it into Cyclops, whose body absorbed it, then converted it into a form that could be used by the device.
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