Unless he goes for genjutsu Sasuke dies horribly. no piercing resistance, vulnerable to dura neg, inferior precognition to Luffy and shanks, Arguably slower (Luffy at least is faster), Luffy is immune to lightning and can counter fire+ having low tier Regen, Roger and White Beard have far better stamina, his teleportation has cool down.
Luffy alone solos mid-diff. Any serious Ryou punch would destroy Sasuke. Adding even one of the others makes this a complete mismatch. Post needs to be 🔒
@dogsrus: @maulsmacker: Just don't see how Sasuke would even keep up with mid-tiers in pure speed let alone these guys; I mean Naruto who's the fastest has barely reaction speed of LS in his six path sage mode form while base Luffy right after TS has outclassed him.
BARELY MANAGED TO AIM DODGE THISThree consecutive LS beams BTW
these guys are way above Sasuke in speed, not to mention Sasuke has not displayed any notable DC to even bother Luffy, who's arguably the weakest here. I don't see why Gear 5 would be needed against this version of Sasuke since he doesn't have massive chakra reserves like those he stole from other tailed beasts. Luffy only needs Gear 4 and Ryou, not even advanced Conqueror's Haki, since Naruto characters are stated to have zero internal durability.
One or two hits from Gear 4 coated with Ryou should suffice. Again, don't bring up the Naruto vs. Sasuke fight; Sasuke doesn't scale to that whatsoever, as it was a highly situational event. Sasuke does not have that much chakra reserves.
Sauske has no way to hide, even ryou can bypass perfect susano given how it destroys anything from inside so Sauske will feel every single blow from anyone using Ryou no matter where he decides to hides.
@strawdiv:Frankly, there is a lot of misinformation here, now I know it's not your intention to lowball Naruto same way it's not my intention to lowball One Piece and not everyone can know every manga perfectly, I'm gonna go out and address your points regarding Naruto.
Part 1 - Naruto dodging Lightfang
The Thing with this is, it's not that Naruto barely dodged the Lightfang, more so that dodging at first place was difficult, because Madara froze Naruto in air using his limbo power
Madara does this multiple times in the arc where he uses Limbo to freeze characters in place so they become more vulnerable to his attacks, unable to resist and fight back.
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so first of all, Naruto is frozen in place by an alternate Madara with equal strength to the real Madara, so he would've to overpower the Limbo with quick movement to even break out, second of all.
The Manga scene of the Lightfang is not clear, it's a vague panel and it's difficult to tell the exact sequence of events, Thankfully the anime shows us the full thing, first Naruto was taken offguard because he tried to block it with Truth Seeker Orb
but the truth seeker orb broke, something Naruto didn't and couldn't have foreseen because someone like him, who has extremely high battle intellect, he wouldn't block an attack he was unsure he can block and is aware would kill him if lands, just an unnecessary risk, so Naruto was taken offguard as his expression shows, so now we've two things.
Naruto is paralyzed by a Limbo Clone with equivalent strength to Post Divine Tree Madara
he is taken completely offguard.
a paralyzed and offguard Naruto overpowers Juubi Madara's Limbo faster than light can cross a few inches.
and seeing how Naruto dodged handily, Madara changes the trajectory at the last moment, you can see how it goes from the spot where Gudodama was split to far below.
The Sequence of events is as follows.
Naruto is Frozen by Madara's Limbo Hengoku power.
Naruto sees Lightfang about to be fired.
he raises his gudodama rod to block it.
Lightfang breaks clean through gudodama, taking the paralyzed Naruto by surprise.
Naruto breaks through his surprise and limbo freeze faster than light can cross a few inches.
Madara has to change the whole trajectory.
it's not an anti feat or cap, it's just Naruto absolutely dicking on light from a few inches away while frozen in place by someone, from what I've seen, far far stronger than anyone in one piece, on top of being caught offguard, it makes sense with the rest of the speed scales too.
Part 2 - Establishing Alternate Speed Scales
We know that Haku can move at Lightspeed in Base via using the laws of reflection in his power to transport from one spot to another.
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but like Admiral Kizaru, Haku doesn't cap there, same way Kizaru accelerated on egghead, Haku can also accelerate though not as much as Kizaru but with chakra amplification he can go beyond the speed of light, as per a Kishimoto novel from 2006
and Base Guy and Rock Lee can match his top speed with their physicals.
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Base Guy and Lee are doing on panel FTL or atleast LS feats, and Sasuke is orders of magnitudes faster than them, by a Ridiculous margin, and it's not an outlier either, I'm willing to present 3+ seprate feats to make this consistent if you want.
but Yes, Sasuke is order of magnitudes faster than on panel FTL feats.
Part 3 - Ryou and Internal Attacks
first of all, this whole concept of Naruto characters not being allowed to have internal durability has always been such nonsense, it literally stems from here.
all from a part 1 scan, a statement by part 1 kakashi, talking about children and genin, at the point in time where there were no internal attacks in Narutoverse, there wasn't even rasengan, there wasn't even bijuudama, later in the series, we see characters take Nuclear Bomb lvl attacks exploding inside of them. Healing cope doesn't work, a human is ripped apart by a grenade inside if they don't have internal durability, Naruto characters until Edo can't even regen a limb, let alone regenning a nuclear bomb hitting their human level insides, here is one of the best internal dura feats in HST, by KN4 Naruto.
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even non bijuus, we see how rasengan damages internally far more than externally, from the outside it just makes a small crater but from inside it rips things apart.
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this implies rasengan internal damage > rasengan external damage and we see Obito tank Minato's rasengan and just jump out, only thing he lost was an unnatural arm from zetsu, everything else was perfectly fine.
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and we know that Minato Rasengan as a teenager = Nine Tails Bijuudama.
this means Obito can tank attacks substantially stronger than Nine Tails Bijuudama going off inside him, Sasuke is far far FAR Stronger than any Obito, Ryou isn't a threat to him.
now regarding susanoo being bypassed by Ryou, that is not happening, as I showed rasengan does a lot of internal damage, a lot more than External, and we've seen the most basic forms of susanoo from characters who are fodder to Sasuke, competely no sell Rasengan.
so Ryou is useless, their punches are not breaking through susanoo, they aren't physically strong enough to actually do something to him even if their punches land.
Part 4 - Sasuke DOES scale to Naruto
I mean, they literally show them clashing evenly on panel with their susanoo and avatars.
This is like seeing Roger and Whitebeard clash evenly on panel and saying "yup they don't scale to each other" or seeing the other rasengan and chidori clashes and saying they don't scale.
Base Six Path Sasuke is a little weaker than Base Six Path Naruto.
Indra Avatar Sasuke is far stronger than Base Six Paths Naruto.
Indra Avatar Sasuke and Ashura Avatar Naruto are equal to each other.
Sasuke does get scaling from Naruto, who is planet-large planet oppoosed to the maximum of Multi-Continental scale One Piece characters.
and yes, he doesn't have as MUCH chakra but chakra quality matters as well, if chakra amount was the only thing that mattered then Beginning of Shippuden Naruto had more than Kakashi did and yet Kakashi was so much stronger, Sasuke had a lot more than Itachi but Itachi was stronger. Dojutsu users have high quality chakra released in their optical nerves which is not much but is extremely powerful per Tobirama. so while Naruto has more, Sasuke has higher quality, and thus their overall chakra constructs, attacks and reinforcements are relative to each other.
Sasuke is, three levels stronger than his opponents in this thread.
Conclusions
The Speed thing you presented is highly contextual, far weaker Naruto characters have blatant FTL feats.
there are multiple arguments and ways to grant the feats consistency.
Internal attacks already against Susanoo.
Much weaker Naruto characters can take attacks on par with Big Kurama Bijuudama inside of them without any real damage or being ripped apart, I don't think I need to explain what would happen if a Nuclear bomb goes on inside a human being, do I?
Sasuke literally clashed with Naruto on panel, no way he doesn't scale.
Sasuke really holds every advantage in this match, the only thing going to the One Piece side is Endurance but being real that doesn't matter.
Numbers are useless, Sasuke has Cloning to counter numbers, shadow clones are an okay fraction of your power, they would easily nuetralize the numbers advantage.
Speed is useless, not only do they not actually outspeed Sasuke, Sasuke's reaction and perception speed is amplified by tens of times above his normal lsvel of speed due to sharingan, and if they get close all it takes to launch them away is a single omnidirectional ravity push, on top Sasuke happens to be a teleporter with clones, yikes.
really, they're not even getting past His perfect susanoo, they literally have no way to break it, if Sasuke makes a susanoo all of their combined attacks into one spot wouldn't put dents on the susanoo let alone crack it, their is no answer to IT level Genjutsu, no answer to planetary soul manipulation, no answers to 8 Amaterasus, perfect susanoo also just power stomps. so Yeah, I don't think there is any reality where sasuke isn't stomping this match
Good thing post #17 dropped as the reminder of the fact it would take another 20 years before a one piece character manages to get past a Naruto god tier.
@zoken: bruh Sasuke also has precog his doesnt need to be turned on it is always on so it is better and sasuke has better feats and ls feats are something that have happened since pretimeskip with haku kakashi dodgin llightspeed water bullets ms sasuke easily locking several lightspeed attacks base naruto dodging light beams mid air do i need to go on ?
first of all, this whole concept of Naruto characters not being allowed to have internal durability has always been such nonsense, it literally stems from here.
all from a part 1 scan, a statement by part 1 kakashi, talking about children and genin, at the point in time where there were no internal attacks in Narutoverse, there wasn't even rasengan, there wasn't even bijuudama, later in the series, we see characters take Nuclear Bomb lvl attacks exploding inside of them. Healing cope doesn't work, a human is ripped apart by a grenade inside if they don't have internal durability, Naruto characters until Edo can't even regen a limb, let alone regenning a nuclear bomb hitting their human level insides, here is one of the best internal dura feats in HST, by KN4 Naruto.
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even non bijuus, we see how rasengan damages internally far more than externally, from the outside it just makes a small crater but from inside it rips things apart.
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this implies rasengan internal damage > rasengan external damage and we see Obito tank Minato's rasengan and just jump out, only thing he lost was an unnatural arm from zetsu, everything else was perfectly fine.
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and we know that Minato Rasengan as a teenager = Nine Tails Bijuudama.
this means Obito can tank attacks substantially stronger than Nine Tails Bijuudama going off inside him, Sasuke isfar far FAR Stronger than any Obito, Ryou isn't a threat to him.
now regarding susanoo being bypassed by Ryou, that is not happening, as I showed rasengan does a lot of internal damage, a lot more than External, and we've seen the most basic forms of susanoo from characters who are fodder to Sasuke, competely no sell Rasengan.
so Ryou is useless, their punches are not breaking through susanoo, they aren't physically strong enough to actually do something to him even if their punches land
I'm strictly mobile only so I'm not going to address your entire post thoroughly because its going to be too much work .
I've never understood the comparison of Ryou/ adv coAhaki to rasengan as Same type of internal attacks.
I mean it's pretty obvious based off feats and showings from both they're very different in the sense that Ryou actually bypasses External durability and attacks internally whereas for rasengan that is not entirely the case ..Quite frankly if anything it's just a much inferior version of what Ryou is and I'll explain.
Rasengan has been shown to only be able to cause way more devastation to the interior only after it physical makes contact with the exterior to cause some degrees of damage (to weaken it) in order to penetrate and cause its higher damage internally..like you said here we see how rasengan damages internally far more than externally, from the outside
which is the case:
As you can see rasengan had to cause PHYSICAL damage to the exterior and even create an opening (A LARGE DENT And a HOLE) for the rasengan to penetrate and cause it's more devastating internal attack.
Now me stating the obvious is because this detail right here makes it way more inferior to Ryou which a lot of naruto fans are desperate to compare rasengan with...FOR THE SIMPLE FACT AS SHOWN ABOVE THAT RASENGAN NEEDS TO PHYSICALLY WORK THROUGH THE EXTERNAL TO PENETRATE AND CAUSE IMTERNAL DAMAGE....in a more simpler term if its not able to crack even a little through the exterior defense its not dealing any internal damage ..based off what's shown .
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Now as for Ryou it simply acts like an attack meant to directly attack internal
As you can see luffy above is not making any physical contact with the exterior body of the tree with his attack (HE DOESN'T NEED TO CASUSE PHYSICAL DAMAGE OR WEAKEN IT TO PENETRATE AND CAUSE INTERNAL DAMADE...
whereas RYUO/ ADV COA simply just phases through the exterior to attack internally..WHICH MEANS IT TRULY ignores/bypass exterior defense unlike rasengan.
I'm conclusion:
Ryou ignores or bypasses External durability regardless of its lvl to cause internal damage whereas rasengan can only cause internal damage if its AP is high enough to penetrate the exterior defense first of all.
This more than debunks why rasengan couldn't damage susanoo ... because it lacked the Ap to begin with to even dent it to cause internal damage
Secondly the part about teenage minato rasengan being equal to a 100%kurama Bijuudama..bruh ..I hope you are joking..
Well the fact you cropped out the full scan to miss out the most important detail says it all:
Here's the full scan..he literally clashed with a Bijuudama and woke up in the hospital. That proves he got overwhelmed..
the story already depicts bb as a top tier attack 98% of the verse characters would prefer avoiding /redirecting rather than clashing with it even characters far stronger than teen minato heck even minatos adult hokage self did not even try this rather he redirected it.. if his teenage self could "clash equally" like ur claiming ..his adult hokage self would have been able to easily replicate the feat probably with even a clone ..and same applies for multiple characters that are above his teen self in the verse.
Then lastly regarding the speed scaling..I'm being lazy here so I'll just accept your scaling at face value and not try to refute anything..
and even while doing that ..all you proved was sasuke is fast enough to be casually FTL (scales way above weaker FTL Characters) which is impressive but in comparison to one piece It just makes him as fast as say wci snakeman Luffy, katakuri wano base sanji and they all have precog & FS to boot making their reaction speed way higher than their speed tier...these characters are getting blitzed by g5 luffy easily.
If I were to even play devil's advocate and accept that sasuke is on equal speed tier as g5 luffy, luffy is still far superior in reaction speed due to precog and FS and he has self empowerment:
So he's quickly going to get faster than sasuke when they fight considering he lagus so much In g5...
So No matter how you slice it luffy is much faster and he's arguably the slowest on the team via scaling
@yray: Why didn't you counter parts 1 and 2 as well?
Read the lower part of my post ..I addressed speed in general (although i was lazy about it)which is what parts 1 &2 is.
And man's isn't fooling anyone here with the limbo paralysing naruto claim ..not a single scan he posted even confirms this claim ..I had to watch the anime just now and not a single evidence of them struggling to move or being stuck in place ..heck no statement from anyone...I'll just leave another op debater to address this thoroughly If they're interested 🤷🏼
I'm strictly mobile only so I'm not going to address your entire post thoroughly because its going to be too much work .
I've never understood the comparison of Ryou/ adv coAhaki to rasengan as Same type of internal attacks.
I mean it's pretty obvious based off feats and showings from both they're very different in the sense that Ryou actually bypasses External durability and attacks internally whereas for rasengan that is not entirely the case ..Quite frankly if anything it's just a much inferior version of what Ryou is and I'll explain.
Rasengan has been shown to only be able to cause way more devastation to the interior only after it physical makes contact with the exterior to cause some degrees of damage (to weaken it) in order to penetrate and cause its higher damage internally..like you said here we see how rasengan damages internally far more than externally, from the outside
which is the case:
As you can see rasengan had to cause PHYSICAL damage to the exterior and even create an opening (A LARGE DENT And a HOLE) for the rasengan to penetrate and cause it's more devastating internal attack.
Now me stating the obvious is because this detail right here makes it way more inferior to Ryou which a lot of naruto fans are desperate to compare rasengan with...FOR THE SIMPLE FACT AS SHOWN ABOVE THAT RASENGAN NEEDS TO PHYSICALLY WORK THROUGH THE EXTERNAL TO PENETRATE AND CAUSE IMTERNAL DAMAGE....in a more simpler term if its not able to crack even a little through the exterior defense its not dealing any internal damage ..based off what's shown .
.....
Now as for Ryou it simply acts like an attack meant to directly attack internal
As you can see luffy above is not making any physical contact with the exterior body of the tree with his attack (HE DOESN'T NEED TO CASUSE PHYSICAL DAMAGE OR WEAKEN IT TO PENETRATE AND CAUSE INTERNAL DAMADE...
whereas RYUO/ ADV COA simply just phases through the exterior to attack internally..WHICH MEANS IT TRULY ignores/bypass exterior defense unlike rasengan.
I'm conclusion:
Ryou ignores or bypasses External durability regardless of its lvl to cause internal damage whereas rasengan can only cause internal damage if its AP is high enough to penetrate the exterior defense first of all.
This more than debunks why rasengan couldn't damage susanoo ... because it lacked the Ap to begin with to even dent it to cause internal damage
This is gonna be very easy to dismantle, you basically took it so that the one instance where the rasengan made a hole to attack the inside of something as completely, but first thing you ignore is
nowhere in your post do you actually go out and prove that, you simply use this instance of Naruto making a very small hole which the rasengan won't even pass through as the end all be all.
there is simply no logical thinking behind your belief here because you somehouw believe rasengan's energy either passed through that small hole and somehow passed through the water without being hampered and completely obliterated the tank from the other side... that's, not how energy works?
if the rasengan's internal damage worked as you seem to be under the impression that it works.
The Energy penatrates the exterior.
The Energy makes it to the Interior
The Energy damages
then that leads us to some logical question regarding the mechanics of the technique under your interpretation then I've some questions for you
why is the energy amplified after going through several layers?
why do you think the rasengan as big as Naruto's fist made it through it?
how do you think the rasengan's energy made it to the other end of the tank without even stopping the water flow from the tiny hole that it made on the exterior?
Lot of pretty words, no logical structure behind the interpretation, but let's look at another instance of this, Naruto hits Kabuto with an external rasengan as a child.
as you can see, the exterior was not penatrated, sure Kabuto had some burn marks but he easily healed them, thus the exterior was not penatrated.
and yet.
in the next panel, Kabuto coughs up blood, falls to the ground even tho the exterior is completely fine, their is internal damage, obviously considering even with fine exterior there is damage which can only be internal, and obviously him coughing blood.
now this tells us some interesting things.
1. Kabuto, whose stomach was never penatrated, still succumed to it.
but more importantly, Kabuto who easily healed the external damage failed to heal the internal damage, with no external penatration from the rasengan still leading to far more severe internal damage, which paralyzed Kabuto for a while and he wasn't able to heal.
thus the Kabuto instance shows us a lot of things, and it proves
External Penetration is not required for internal damage via rasengan.
Completely healed externals are not going to stop the Internal Damage.
The Internal damage via Rasengan is much more severe internally than externally.
I can see why from the one kid Naruto instance you got the idea you did, but to be good at debating you need to look at all applications rather than limiting yourself to one
Secondly the part about teenage minato rasengan being equal to a 100%kurama Bijuudama..bruh ..I hope you are joking..
Well the fact you cropped out the full scan to miss out the most important detail says it all:
Here's the full scan..he literally clashed with a Bijuudama and woke up in the hospital. That proves he got overwhelmed..
Seriously? you missed the whole first part of the entire Oneshot? Kurama punched a brutal ass hole in Minato.
Minato was going through severe bloodloss every second, had a JINCHURUKI HAND SIZE HOLE IN HIS FUCKING CHEST and was just a Teenager at tiis point in time, there is NO WAY he would not end up in hospital.
the fact is, Kurama after this was restrained as shown by the next panel to yours showing us Kushina regained control.
Minato's body was deeply hurt by Kurama, so obviously he needed a doctor, it's actually an endurance feat for him to just stand upto Kurama for a while before passing out, Kurama himself was weakened to the point that Kushina survived the Bijuudama and Kurama was restrained.
the story already depicts bb as a top tier attack 98% of the verse characters would prefer avoiding /redirecting rather than clashing with it even characters far stronger than teen minato heck even minatos adult hokage self did not even try this rather he redirected it.. if his teenage self could "clash equally" like ur claiming ..his adult hokage self would have been able to easily replicate the feat probably with even a clone ..and same applies for multiple characters that are above his teen self in the verse.
not many are above Teen Minato, the ones that are, are already beyond the Bijuu, Lets not forget Kurama was canonically screaming for pain from attacks that a single punch from Tsunade grossly outscales, and lets not forget why Minato fought Kurama the way he did.
He had to protect Konoha, he can't just mindlessly clash with Kurama and have their power destroy Konoha, his duty as a Hokage exists, and No, TBB is not impressive, the Bijuus are not that broken either, I mean.
One Tails ---> Lost to Rasa, one of the weakest kage we've seen.
Two Tails ---> Lost to Kakuzu and Hidan, lmfao
Three Tails ---> Lost to Deidara
Eight Tails --> Lost to Kisame
Nine Tails ---> was stronger than Sage Naruto but couldn't stomp him and got greatly hurt by him, same sage Naruto is <<< Tsunade.
Bijuus are not unbeatable anything
Then lastly regarding the speed scaling..I'm being lazy here so I'll just accept your scaling at face value and not try to refute anything..
and even while doing that ..all you proved was sasuke is fast enough to be casually FTL (scales way above weaker FTL Characters) which is impressive but in comparison to one piece It just makes him as fast as say wci snakeman Luffy, katakuri wano base sanji and they all have precog & FS to boot making their reaction speed way higher than their speed tier...these characters are getting blitzed by g5 luffy easily.
Naruto and One Piece have the same speed meta, it's just scaling past FTL, atleast for Naruto, Who scales further? that's debateable, the multipliers are there for both, You're aware of how insane Naruto multipliers go, blitz stacking doesn't work so at most you can just argue where FTL begins in both verses as a benchmark for what's faster and what verse scales more past FTL.
I don't think there is any indication or certainly that one piece is the verse that scales more past FTL, Base Luffy with FS dodged light speed attacks, offguard Base Pt1 Kakashi reacted to LS attacks, not a big thing.
you're welcome to establish in actual physical numbers where you've Luffy in speed so that it can either be matched, exceeded or conceded to depending on the exact figure.
If I were to even play devil's advocate and accept that sasuke is on equal speed tier as g5 luffy, luffy is still far superior in reaction speed due to precog and FS and he has self empowerment:
So he's quickly going to get faster than sasuke when they fight considering he lagus so much In g5...
self empowerment is a useless ability until we've an exact amount by how much a person before stronger via it, that's like me arguing every Naruto character wins all equal speed matches because they get stronger by saying their favourite word.
It's just a meh ability, and I can see Luffy being on par in speed, superiority? I see zero evidence of that.
And man's isn't fooling anyone here with the limbo paralysing naruto claim ..not a single scan he posted even confirms this claim ..I had to watch the nime just now and not a single evidence of them struggling to move or being stuck in place ..heck no statement from anyone...I'll just leave another op debater to address this thoroughly If they're interested 🤷🏼
so you think Sasuke just decided to levitate in the air and wait for Madara to stab his heart and Sakura got frozen and decided to keep punching into invisible wall while somehow standing on air? Peak fiction.
So No matter how you slice it luffy is much faster and he's arguably the slowest on the team via scaling
Yeah, doesn't matter, even if all of them are equivalent to Sasuke in speed, he can just make clones and counteract them, it's not like clones are gonna be much behind in speed, they can also abuse perfect susanoo and gravity powers to not get touched, numbers advantage is meaningless, speed relativity is meaningless, hax gap is too big to be outdone, stats gap is too big to be outdone, no matter how we slice it, Sasuke destroys.
Crazy how that 9 tails punch through the chest is enough to kill Ace tier combatants but did barely anything to Minato.
Jinbei was ace's equal as they fought for 5 days to a stalemate and Jinbei got a hole punched through his chest by akainu too and survived.
I wouldn't compare akainu's magma fist to the 9 tails one because akainu's fist is lava and he probably did fill their insides with the lava for more lethal damage.
@maulsmacker: reflecting between mirrors. Once he exits LS isn't valid anymore. This is clearly shown in his fight with Naruto where he casually outpaced enhanced Naruto with reflection but got dunked when he left his mirrors. Not to mention his raw speed was compared to Sasuke's last I checked
@edgelord91: Haku using his technique is always moving between mirrors, Haku makes mirrors to main his speed via reflection, once he leaves the mirror and is flying he is more or less going between mirrors, thus if Haku leaves a mirror he is going lightspeed or, as the novel scan shows, he can move faster than light.
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I don't care about the part 1 fight, Haku is holding back so much he is fighting 5 levels below his normal self, normally he is War Arc Base Guy and Lee level and is stated above part 1 Kakashi, Haku would destroy the chunin exams by the virtue of being > Zabuza and Kakashi per both of them, let alone Kid Sasuke.
@maulsmacker: his speed without reflection is blatantly compared to Sasuke. He pulls the exact same feat against kakashi twice, and explicitly avoided the same Naruto that dunked on him via reflection.
Not to mention all the inconsistenties that causes with post timeskip establishing that not only is the raikage =< LS but LS transportation requires high tier durability.
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