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#1 Edited by Abirzenith (138 posts) - - Show Bio

Zoom is not allowed , because he  doesn't move fast he slows down everything else  
 
So guys , Name 3 Characters that can beat flash in a straight race ?  
  

#2 Edited by Killer_of_trolls (1852 posts) - - Show Bio

@Abirzenith: Runner(The elder of the universe of course), Anyone with The space gem. Oh, and since you said a race, and not necessarily being faster, anyone with teleportation should be able to reach the finish line first(like Nightcrawler).

#3 Edited by Abirzenith (138 posts) - - Show Bio
@Killer_of_trolls: i meant in a race like literally race him in a straight line so teleport characters arent exactly allowed that being said , nightcrawler's teleport is slower then light, flash can move at the speed of light , so he beats him , also anyone with space gem also isn't fair either , the characters you name has to be genuinely physically faster 
#4 Posted by Killer_of_trolls (1852 posts) - - Show Bio

@Abirzenith: OK, Full powered current Sonic in Super form in close result, but he would win. Knuckles in the armor stomps. guess I am up to 4 people now.

#5 Posted by Abirzenith (138 posts) - - Show Bio
@Killer_of_trolls: also can you explain why the runner is faster, because i lack knowledge about him , what feat makes him faster ? 
#6 Edited by Abirzenith (138 posts) - - Show Bio
@Killer_of_trolls: 4 people? sorry man apart from the runner and sonic , you need to explain what feat makes them faster(sonic and runner), i discarded the others people with gem and teleport characters 
#7 Posted by whydama (1093 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor with Mjolnir could win this race if hyperspace travel is allowed in race. Silver Surfer could also do the same.

#8 Posted by joshuagamer (636 posts) - - Show Bio

The Runner is fast as heck, but he's still slightly slower than West. Wally can beat Barry Allen who has been shown to be faster than the Runner in Quasar #17 (1990). The runner was defeated by Makkari who was destroyed by a resurrected Barry Allen.

#9 Posted by Killer_of_trolls (1852 posts) - - Show Bio

@Abirzenith said:

@Killer_of_trolls: also can you explain why the runner is faster, because i lack knowledge about him , what feat makes him faster ?

What makes him faster is that he can give SS a 10 wedgies(if he was wearing pants ofcourse) with out noticing, lol.

@Abirzenith said:

@Killer_of_trolls: 4 people? sorry man apart from the runner and sonic , you need to explain what feat makes him faster(sonic and runner), i discarded the others people with gem and teleport characters

First of, ofcourse anyone holding either the Space Gem, or time Gem would be faster tahn any Speedster. The give the weilder complete control over space/time. Tha is to be, go, come from anywhere anytime. They are a part of the Infinite gauntlet, dude.

secondly, current Knuckles (Enerjack )is faster than both sonic, Shadow, and Tails combined. he is a Megaversal threat too(I know sonic universe is too over powered these days).

this is him

#10 Posted by Killer_of_trolls (1852 posts) - - Show Bio

@joshuagamer said:

The Runner is fast as heck, but he's still slightly slower than West. Wally can beat Barry Allen who has been shown to be faster than the Runner in Quasar #17 (1990). The runner was defeated by Makkari who was destroyed by a resurrected Barry Allen.

I don't know what in god's name are you talking about, But we are referring Marvel's Runner. If you mean some kinda of a crossover then those are not cannon. Also, as I have clearly shown, Runner is faster than SS. No version of Flash is tagging either.

#11 Posted by RoyHarperBLOW (1496 posts) - - Show Bio

@Abirzenith: I think SA Superman would be faster than him in the air but I don't think on ground but their was a comic where flash and superman raced and flash just won but I don't know which Flash it was and I don't know if it was Silver Age Superman, or Bronze Age so I can't say.

#12 Posted by Kovak (748 posts) - - Show Bio
#13 Posted by rpottage (894 posts) - - Show Bio

If you mean who is physically faster at running than pre-52 Wally West at top Speed... then possibly Barry Allen (Though Wally is typically said to be faster); and nobody else since the Flash uses the source of all speed.

And while it's not DC cannon, Marvel has given a nod of respect to Barry Allen as being the Fastest Man Alive in the Quasar comics (under the extremely thinly vieled name of "Buried Alien... or something like that").

I point that out because it makes comparing The Flash with Marvel Speedsters a useless excercise; as Marvel comics has already made the Flash the Fastest Man Alive in a moving sign of deep respect for the Character after his death. (Which made me respect Marvel immensely)

#14 Posted by D3athstroke (4097 posts) - - Show Bio

Dio Brando

Jotaro Kujo

Faceless Void

#15 Posted by Pwok21 (2459 posts) - - Show Bio

Move this to general discussion.

Also I believe full speed Nova Prime could at least keep up with him.

#16 Posted by Abirzenith (138 posts) - - Show Bio

I dont see why posting this in battles is such a bad thing ? people post stuff like, who can beat superman, who beat thor, who can beat my team, who is the strongest  who is hardest to debate with, who can beat blue bettle at full power etc in here because its basically battle against that character without the opponent, my post is simply a battle of speed against flash , anyways if its still so long i am extremely sorry guys 

#17 Posted by nickzambuto (14409 posts) - - Show Bio

@Kovak said:

lol

#18 Posted by Abirzenith (138 posts) - - Show Bio
@nickzambuto: :P 
#19 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

Ultimate Phoenix

Dark Phoenix

Green Phoenix

All faster than Flash Period.

#20 Posted by IZZR (4289 posts) - - Show Bio
@CadenceV2 said:

Ultimate Phoenix

Dark Phoenix

Green Phoenix

All faster than Flash Period.

Hell to the no.
#21 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@IZZR: Really? Can Flash Travel one side of the Universe to the next in a day? Wheres that feat again? Can I get a Scan? ..... no..... didnt think so :)

#22 Posted by chaos-soul (1435 posts) - - Show Bio

the runner and that is all.and if you look at is scientifically quicksilver runs at the speed of radio waves currently and on earth(outside of comics) radio waves and light travel at the same rate. so scientifically they would be close until wally breaks ftl speeds.

#23 Posted by PlasticBag (1222 posts) - - Show Bio

@Killer_of_trolls: No Sonic characters would beat the Flash in a race he is beyond there speed.

#24 Posted by Kovak (748 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto: Had to be done.

#25 Edited by Pyrogram (41246 posts) - - Show Bio

@chaos-soul said:

the runner and that is all.and if you look at is scientifically quicksilver runs at the speed of radio waves currently and on earth(outside of comics) radio waves and light travel at the same rate. so scientifically they would be close until wally breaks ftl speeds.

They CAN sometimes travel at the speed of light. Radio waves are one example of electromagnetic waves (other examples include light, microwaves and x-rays) can all travel at the speed of light sometimes.

But their actual speed (called the propagation velocity) depends on 2 variables. One is called permeability and the other is called permittivity. So each variable's value depends on the material that the waves are traveling through. SO, you can think of the variables as how "easy" it is for electic fields and magnetic fields to travel through the medium ( air, water, other sound waves etc.. ) . If the waves are traveling in free space, they will always travel at the speed of light. Otherwise, the waves will travel slower.

So in conclusion, Radio waves do not travel Light speed on earth, so quicksilver does NOT.

And flash travels faster than light.

#26 Posted by nickthedevil (13656 posts) - - Show Bio

Uh... Zoom?

#27 Posted by Billy Batson (58268 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickthedevil said:

Uh... Zoom?

Read the damn OP, Nick!
BB

#28 Posted by GhostRider2 (3492 posts) - - Show Bio

Silver Surfer is faster than Flash.

#29 Posted by MadeinBangladesh (7648 posts) - - Show Bio

Sonic the Hedgehog lol

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#30 Posted by nickthedevil (13656 posts) - - Show Bio

@Billy Batson said:

@nickthedevil said:

Uh... Zoom?

Read the damn OP, Nick!
BB

Seeing as how the OP doesn't understand Zoom's powers, I believed it was alright to disobey the OP.

#31 Edited by Abirzenith (138 posts) - - Show Bio
@nickthedevil: Zoom can alter time , and he isn't anything like the speedsters  because he doesn't use speed force . he can freaking control time speed of time thats going around him , zoom does not actually move at insane speed like wally does , he just slows down the time around him and that makes him fast , this also gives him tons of advantages so he is basically op :P , correct me if im wrong -_ -? 
#32 Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (20427 posts) - - Show Bio

@Killer_of_trolls said:

@Abirzenith: Runner(The elder of the universe of course), Anyone with The space gem. Oh, and since you said a race, and not necessarily being faster, anyone with teleportation should be able to reach the finish line first(like Nightcrawler).

Teleporting takes a second. and Flash can run around the globe in under a second IIRC.

#33 Posted by ImmortalOne (3519 posts) - - Show Bio

@chaos-soul: Don't put science in comics, it'll fail. Wally beats Quicksilver hard.

#34 Posted by nickthedevil (13656 posts) - - Show Bio

@Abirzenith said:

@nickthedevil: Zoom can alter time , and he isn't anything like the speedsters because he doesn't use speed force . he can freaking control time speed of time thats going around him , zoom does not actually move at insane speed like wally does , he just slows down the time around him and that makes him fast , this also gives him tons of advantages so he is basically op :P , correct me if im wrong -_ -?

Correct you? No. I'll let Jay Garrick do that for me.

He doesn't control anything around him. He is only in control of his own "time bubble."

#35 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio
  1. Makkari
  2. The Runner
#36 Edited by Abirzenith (138 posts) - - Show Bio
@nickthedevil: hes controlling the time around him and that slows everything for him , that's pretty much what i said as well anyways forget it, and  @jeanroygrant: makkari is slower the Barry allen, and wally is said to be faster then Barry does't that make makkari slower then wally? makkari loses to flash wally west, this  race was a tribute by Marvel to Barry after his death destroying the cannon
#37 Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (20427 posts) - - Show Bio

@Abirzenith said:

@nickthedevil: hes controlling the time around him , that's pretty much what i said as well anyways forget it, and @jeanroygrant: makkari is slower the Barry allen, and wally is said to be faster then Barry does't that make makkari slower then wally? makkari loses to flash wally west, this race was a tribute by Marvel to Barry after his death destroying the cannon

Yup. They were all slower than "Buried Alien".

#38 Posted by nickthedevil (13656 posts) - - Show Bio

@Abirzenith: LOL no it isn't? To say that would mean that pitting him against another time controller would negate his powers. which it doesn't tha fact that he's out of time instead of "Controlling the time around him" is that it gives way to a plethora of other abilities. persay, access to the Speed Force (Which he does in fact own) and resistance to molecular manipulation.

controlling time=/= out of time.

#39 Edited by Abirzenith (138 posts) - - Show Bio
@nickthedevil:   Zoom is not actually moving at super speed, like flash he greatly slows down time relative to himself, and can make himself that fast, which is also why he is unable to become intangible like flash can by vibrating their molecules , he can allow others to tap into time through himself and shut down this connection whenever he wants, my point stands zoom does not physically move fast like flash does , hes kinda a time travel of sorts, now lets not spam the thread with our own different point of views
#40 Posted by Kovak (748 posts) - - Show Bio

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

@Killer_of_trolls said:

@Abirzenith: Runner(The elder of the universe of course), Anyone with The space gem. Oh, and since you said a race, and not necessarily being faster, anyone with teleportation should be able to reach the finish line first(like Nightcrawler).

Teleporting takes a second. and Flash can run around the globe in under a second IIRC.

Teleporting is instantaneous.

#41 Posted by nickthedevil (13656 posts) - - Show Bio

@Abirzenith said:

@nickthedevil: Zoom is not actually moving at super speed, like flash he greatly slows down time relative to himself, and can make himself that fast, which is also why he is unable to become intangible like flash can by vibrating their molecules , he can allow others to tap into time through himself and shut down this connection whenever he wants, my point stands zoom does not physically move fast like flash does , hes literally a time travel of sorts, now lets not spam the thread with our own different point of views

again, I laugh as I type this. By dictionary definition, he does run at super-speed. Check and mate.

I will no longer post in this thread however. My work here is done.

#42 Posted by chaos-soul (1435 posts) - - Show Bio

@ImmortalOne said:

@chaos-soul: Don't put science in comics, it'll fail. Wally beats Quicksilver hard.

i wasnt it was just an example. of course wally stomps quick silver. but i personally think that marvel should upgrade quicksilver to be a higher grade speedster along with north star

#43 Edited by Abirzenith (138 posts) - - Show Bio
@nickthedevil: yeah don't reply , my point isn't changing , because its not wrong ,  Zoom moves at a normal velocity, and the rest of the world is slow to him, how else do you explain that him being unable to become intangible vibrating their molecules like flashes does? 
#44 Posted by YoungJustice (6887 posts) - - Show Bio

@Abirzenith:

  • Silver Surfer
  • Classic Thor
  • The Runner
  • Photon (if she is really determined)
#45 Posted by Kovak (748 posts) - - Show Bio

@chaos-soul: He is a high-grade speedster. In Marvel. On Earth. For a mutant.

#46 Edited by BigCimmerian (8689 posts) - - Show Bio

Silver Surfe

Thor with Mjolnir

Runner

The first two would beat him in the air only, they can fly at the speed many times faster then light.

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#47 Posted by MonsterStomp (19880 posts) - - Show Bio

@IZZR said:

@CadenceV2 said:

Ultimate Phoenix

Dark Phoenix

Green Phoenix

All faster than Flash Period.

Hell to the no.

Lol. *mimics under breathe* Hell to the no.

#48 Posted by MonsterStomp (19880 posts) - - Show Bio

Also, if the race was in the Matrix, Neo got this.

#49 Posted by jobiwankenobi (1462 posts) - - Show Bio

@Pyrogram said:

@chaos-soul said:

the runner and that is all.and if you look at is scientifically quicksilver runs at the speed of radio waves currently and on earth(outside of comics) radio waves and light travel at the same rate. so scientifically they would be close until wally breaks ftl speeds.

They CAN sometimes travel at the speed of light. Radio waves are one example of electromagnetic waves (other examples include light, microwaves and x-rays) can all travel at the speed of light sometimes.

But their actual speed (called the propagation velocity) depends on 2 variables. One is called permeability and the other is called permittivity. So each variable's value depends on the material that the waves are traveling through. SO, you can think of the variables as how "easy" it is for electic fields and magnetic fields to travel through the medium ( air, water, other sound waves etc.. ) . If the waves are traveling in free space, they will always travel at the speed of light. Otherwise, the waves will travel slower.

So in conclusion, Radio waves do not travel Light speed on earth, so quicksilver does NOT.

And flash travels faster than light.

While that is all true it does not matter. The standard speed of light represented by the variable, c is 3 * 10^8 m/s in a vacuum, which is the value of all electromagnetic waves in a vacuum. taken in a When a character is said to run at the speed of light, they are being compared to that variable. Ergo, Quuicksilver can run at the the speed of light if he can run at the speed of a radio wave.

Flash can run faster than light, though so he is still faster, and the radio wave thing is an err on part of the writers. They were obviously thinking about frequency, which is lower in radio waves than in light.

#50 Posted by Pyrogram (41246 posts) - - Show Bio

@jobiwankenobi said:

@Pyrogram said:

@chaos-soul said:

the runner and that is all.and if you look at is scientifically quicksilver runs at the speed of radio waves currently and on earth(outside of comics) radio waves and light travel at the same rate. so scientifically they would be close until wally breaks ftl speeds.

They CAN sometimes travel at the speed of light. Radio waves are one example of electromagnetic waves (other examples include light, microwaves and x-rays) can all travel at the speed of light sometimes.

But their actual speed (called the propagation velocity) depends on 2 variables. One is called permeability and the other is called permittivity. So each variable's value depends on the material that the waves are traveling through. SO, you can think of the variables as how "easy" it is for electic fields and magnetic fields to travel through the medium ( air, water, other sound waves etc.. ) . If the waves are traveling in free space, they will always travel at the speed of light. Otherwise, the waves will travel slower.

So in conclusion, Radio waves do not travel Light speed on earth, so quicksilver does NOT.

And flash travels faster than light.

While that is all true it does not matter. The standard speed of light represented by the variable, c is 3 * 10^8 m/s in a vacuum, which is the value of all electromagnetic waves in a vacuum. taken in a When a character is said to run at the speed of light, they are being compared to that variable. Ergo, Quuicksilver can run at the the speed of light if he can run at the speed of a radio wave.

Flash can run faster than light, though so he is still faster, and the radio wave thing is an err on part of the writers. They were obviously thinking about frequency, which is lower in radio waves than in light.

Yes, But silver cant run the speed of light as he is not running ( or the radio is not) running in a vacum on earth. Relative to the radio on earth he is, but thats not really fair,as he will still be infinitely slower than flash who is past the speed of light.