@tragic_johnson: Speed is a very broad term. In head movement and gap closing, Tyson was faster but that was because he needed to be. Ali did not need this because he had an 80 inch reach. Instead, he had a razor fast stinging jab and fought with range. In terms of speed, his foot-work makes Tyson look primitive. Hand-speed is pretty close but Ali would land more frequently with his shots.
Tyson was most definitely 71'' range, with a few listing 72''. Anyway, Tyson did have a strong chin but Frazier was definitely the tougher fighter. Never mind the fact that he fought blind in one eye throughout much of his career: the man could throw out combinations in the 15th round. Tyson gassed out in later rounds, he only has a few knockouts past round 6/7 because by those rounds, he has lost ALOT of his speed and explosiveness. The difference in stamina is because they fight differently:
- Frazier wears his opponents down early, knocks them out late
- Tyson tries to blow them out early, conserves energy less
Frazier was a pressure-fighting swarmer. Tyson flat out admitted in his auto-biography that he is confused why people think of him as a swarmer - he isn't, he states himself that he's an aggressive counter-puncher and that is evidenced by his knockout montages.
Huh? Foreman clearly hit harder than Tyson. Even Evander Holyfield, who fought Tyson, Lewis and Foreman said Foreman (old) hit the hardest. Tyson ducked old George Foreman, a young George Foreman completely rail-roaded Joe Frazier twice and beat down some of the greatest fighters in history, Tyson did not. Foreman proved his punching power against elite competition. Shavers also hit harder than Foreman, and that is evidenced by the fighters who fought both (Ali, Norton, etc) all confirming it.
''Public perception''? That means nothing. And public perception wise, Foreman stomps Tyson. Most polls show that, and Tyson's short-in fighting style cannot beat Foreman's big, slugging style.
Yeah, no. Frazier > Tyson.
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