Marco and Katakuri Vs EMS Madara with Kurama

Madara stomps the moment he goes into Perfect Susanoo, there is nothing else the other team can do after that, Kyubi is not needed.

Madara

Marco can probably solo, together they stomp.

This is the power of ten Bijuu Dama. Madara's Perfect Susanoo protected himself and Kurama from Hashirama's attacks which is more powerful than this.

Marco and Katakuri needs a feat more powerful than this for them to stand a chance against EMS Madara.

Madara takes it with some difficulty.

Madara wins mid diff, only saying mid diff because Marco has instant regen and katakuri has most likely the best observation haki so he can technically make himself into a logia type and they both have speed. but madara has susanoo which can't be broken by a lot of anime characters.

Katakuri could honestly solo by just transmuting his Susanoo into Moochi and predicting his every movement with Future Sight. Is also faster.

So add Marco to the equation and team win more often then not.

Madara for sure

Marco or kat solo

Both are hilariously faster and strong enough to oneshot madara

With what offense? Lmao atleast be a decent troll.

Madara negs diff. Marco offense is god awful Katakuri future sight is laughable since everyone with a Sharingan basically has that. PS Kurama fusion slaughters them effortlessly.

Madara spanks them like misbehaved children

Imagine comparing basic Sharingan precognition with literal Future Sight.

Madara literally can't hurt them without Susanoo and Katakuri's Devil Fruit Awakening negs it

Is also at a speed disadvantage with someone who is practically a logia

What has Marco done that would even put a scratch on Susanoo lmao. Nothing at all. He's fodder here. No one in one piece can even beat EMS Madara with Kurama in a 1v1 let alone Marco and Katakuri.

It's literally like the same. Its just funny cause that's basic in Naruto but that's seen as overpowered in the Opverse looool. Please tell me how Katakuri is surviving 12bIjuudama Susanoo blades ill wait......

@supremekilla010:

What has Marco done that would even put a scratch on Susanoo lmao.

Clashed with Big Mom who'd one shot Madara's PS too. Even weaker characters like Doffy have the feats to. EMS Madara's feats are fodder to mid tier OP feats.

It isn't the same at all.

He literally sees into the future in advance.

1. Madaara won't even get to use his Genjutsu because it will be foreseen.

2. Madara isn't fast enough to tag Katakuri who can see into the future and act like a logia type.

• Can also transmute Madara's Susanoo into Mochi turning into a weapon against him.

Madara can literally be killed by his own Perfect Susanoo

Clashing with Big Mom does not put you past PS lmao. Kid overpowered Big mom with metal arm-(x)- Lmao. Madara perfect Susanoo literally tanked beyond mountain vaporizing full Kurama Tbb without a scratch-(x)- Yet we've seen 50% Kurama TBB match 4 other Bijuu-(x)- it's levels to this. Clashing with Big mom does not mean your going to be able to destroy Susanoo let alone the Susanoo kurama fusion. Lol try again bro.

Marco and Katakuri.

Pirate duo wins with difficulty and that's because Madara has an arsenal to pose as a threat

Sharingan literally see the future of your opponents movements.-(x)- Ok then Katakuri will be at a disadvantage fighting with his eyes closed. Madara is fast and he's way to destructive to not tag Katakuri he literally can shop Mountains down from miles away-(x)-(x)- good luck evading all that. No he cannot transmute Susanoo into Mochi since it's literally the users energy and chakra which is spiritual energy it's not an inanimate object like a rock or something. Katakuri is dead the moment Madara spams Bijuu Susanoo blades he's getting vaporized.

@supremekilla010: Mountain vaporizing is fodder, Enel's feats dwarf that. Kidd is also really strong as well. Madara's PS doesn't have the durability to tank even something like Fujitora's bigger meteorites which even characters like Doffy scale way above.

@shirso: Marco's stamina worries me, does that indicate he got weaker after the timeskip maybe because of something when he fought the BB pirates? he was exhausted after fighting two opponents weaker than the Marine Admirals.. Katakuri has a better chance if he is fast enough to transmute Susanoo

@supremekilla010:

Sharingan literally see the future of your opponents movements.-(x)-

Not the same as Future Sight in which you can observe everything play out like a movie.

Ok then Katakuri will be at a disadvantage fighting with his eyes closed

No he won't. He has Haki.

Luffy even trained blind folded with Raelyh.

can shop Mountains down from miles away

With a giant Avatar.

Mihawk is smaller and can do similar which takes more force as being human sized

Meaning direct contact would be more lethal

-(x)-(x)- good luck evading all that.

-He scales way way above the Luffy who could dodge Kizaru's light beams

-His body can disperse and and reemerge in multiple different places like a logia type.

-Can see swing way before it happens

I just gave you 3 really good reasons he'd be able to dodge.

No he cannot transmute Susanoo into Mochi since it's literally the users energy and chakra which is spiritual energy it's not an inanimate object like a rock or something.

It's non-living construct regardless.

He would transmute the thing and turn into a death trap against him just fine.

Katakuri is dead the moment Madara spams Bijuu Susanoo blades he's getting vaporized.

Madara doesn't have the AP to vape Katakuri. He is only Country Tier with Susanoo. which isn't even that far off from Katakuri own AP. . Durability is also higher then his own AP as shown with Gear 4 Snakeman Luffy Fight.

We've already seen Luffy get hit with attacks with country level force and not get vaped. lol

Even random Pre-Time Skip characters have super human stats let alone a Top tiers like Katakuri and Marco

Doesn't matter what feats Enel have Enel isn't Marco. Marco doesn't have feats that can compare to Madara Susanoo. To tank Fujitora meter's? Lmao Fujitora meteors were little af-(x)- Look at that small crater lmao. stop that bro. Even here we can see Fujitora meteors are about is big as the royal palace in Dressrosa-(x)- Actually they are smaller than a marine warship-(x)- One Susanoo slash would vaporize that Meteor effortlessly. Marco gets vaporized with one swing of his Susanoo blade and Katakuri gets nuked to death with BladedBijuudama's.

@supremekilla010: Enel couldn't one shot Skypiea arc Zoro or Sanji and Admirals/Yonko scale way above him Marco can take hits from Akainu and clash with Big Mom. Enel's feats do matter. It's small because it was negged by Law, Fujitora and Doffy's attacks and even then it's easily over a 100 meters as Doffy is 3 meters tall. His bigger meteors were the size of mountains by comparing to Pica's golem and also much faster than irl meteors as they were moving FTE to Caesar Clown. Meteors don't need to be that large, they carry insane amounts of KE due to their speed. And mountain sized ones like Fujitora's were would be island busting even with irl speeds but if you account for them being FTE to Caesar they'd be country lvl. Even Doffy scales way above all of that, let alone these two. Madara's PS isn't even solidly country lvl so he can't bust the meteors, at least not completely. And the physicals of these two are >>>> so they'd one shot his Susanoo. As I said Enel >>> mountain vaping and he couldn't vape or even one shot Skypiea arc Zoro or Sanji who these two are >>>>>>>, so they no sell Biijudamas.

@keyrushmeister: It's possible that using his Blue flame for healing others is far more taxing than fighting on his own.

1- Bro it's literally the same thing your acting like he can see a hour in the future with future sight stop it. Lol all he's going to see is his own demise. Ok fair point with the Luffy blindfold thing.

2-Mihawk never did nothing on the scale of Madara Ps which chopped 6 mountains with one swing of its blade. Stop best feat he has is cutting the giant Iceberg. Your right direct contact would be more lethal so imagine whats going to happen to them when there actually body get hit by his Susanoo blade instantly vaporized.

3- Kuma lazers beams aren't lightspeed. Stop the nonsense. Zoro while being half dead dodged them from point blank range on thriller bark. Also Kizaru mentions how he moves at lightspeed why would Oda even introduce that in as an impressive feat for a admiral at the time considering we already seen Zoro dodge that. Further more the other Supernova's couldnt even react to Kizaru yet they were depicted on Zoro level or stronger so it would make 0 sense for them to be statue(d) by lightspeed meanwhile Zoro dodged it half dead. But if you insist on going with this Lightspeed thing i can go with the fact that BM Naruto speed was compared to instantaneous teleportation and Madara easily reacted to him. No he opens up his body to evade small scale attacks like Luffy's fist he isn't doing that with Madara he's getting vaporized because the DC is to much.

4- Doesn't matter if it's a non-living construct it is entirely composed of the users chakra which has life in it do to the spirtual nature in chakra as shown here-(x)-(x)- He isn't transmuting anything lmao stop that nonsense.

5- Neither Luffy or Katakuri are country level in the slightest stop this nonsense LMAO.

1- Skypea is nothing but an island Madara feats are far above island level. Enel never used his strongest attack on Skypea arc Zoro or Sanji either so you don't have a point. Akainu hits aren't mountain vaporzing+ and even if they were Madara Susano tanked that without a scratch. Marco doesn't scale anywhere near attack potency as Akainu him clashing with him only means he can hold his own against him for a short amount a time. Madara AP and DC>>>>Akainu he would have literally blowed the entire MF battlefield away with one swing of his blade. Bro Fujitora meteors are no where near island level. As they couldn't even blow up green bit when they hit it without Doflamingo and Law even cutting it.

Your scaling is so off its crazy. Madara obliterated his own Meteor's which are wayy bigger than any Meteor Fujitora ever dropped. Your trying to equate their DC to the meteors also makes no sense when the Meteors aren't even island level. Do you one piece fans realize how big the difference in size between countries? in the US we have states bigger than Countries next time you say country say extremely small country level.

@supremekilla010: Skypiea is small country sized, like 100's of km bare minimum.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/size-evaluation-for-the-upperyardupper-half-of-jay-2233891/

Enel's casual base attacks are country lvl as shown during his cover story feats. And he couldn't one shot Skypiea arc Zoro or Sanji.

Akainu >>>>>>>> Enel and Marco can tank hits from him. Both are also >>>> Skypiea arc Zoro and Sanji so they'd no sell Bijjudama.

Fujitora's meteors never hit Green Bit before Doffy and Law sliced them up and Fuji bfr'd a massive chunk of it to space.

Edo Madara's meteor was at best mountain sized and not as fast as Fuji's meteors either so not as strong. Madara also didn't destroy his own meteor while it was in motion but while it was at rest. Meteors are impressive due to KE, if they are at rest, then destroying them is relatively fodder.

No idea why you went on a rant about USA, but Madara is not concretely country lvl while these two are. So they one shot his Susanoo and one shot him.

Pirates should win this. EMS Madara is a beast, especially with Kyuubi, but the pirates have a substantial physicals and speed advantage and most of Madara's attacks would struggle to hurt them due to pseudo Logia and regen.

1- You said 100km is country level yet the United states is a country and it's 3.7million km LMAO stop. If Enel casual attacks were all Skypea busting level why didn't he bust it when he was casually striking people down? Your scaling holds no weight at all. By that logic pistol finger from CP3 is Country level bullets in one piece are country level cause they can't pierce Zoro and Sanji Lmao. Yes they did hit Green bit before Doflamingo and Law sliced them and it didn't even shake that small island lmao.

Look here meteor crash lands behide Law-(x)- Then here we see the Meteor right beside Law-(x)- This is what yall claimed to be island level yet it didn't do a thing to green bit lmao.

2- Meteors are much more dangerous when they are bigger cause the more the mass the more the devastating the impact. Madara doesn't have to be comfortable country level because they don't have no where near that much durability.

@supremekilla010: I said small country, and the USA is more continent sized, it's substantially bigger than Australia which is a continent itself. Skypiea is presumably bigger than what his casual attacks can bust. It's possible to be inferior while being in the same tier. And he was looking to not just bust Skypiea but the cloud it is sitting on as well which add a lot more energy. Bullets and CP9 are piercing, you can't compare them to energy blasts that Enel uses. And bullets or CP9 didn't one shot Zoro or Sanji either. They didn't, read the chapter again. They never hit Green Bit before they were diced by Doffy/Law and bfr'd by Fuji. Those meteors in the Law scans are clearly shown sliced in half, implying Law sliced them before they hit Green Bit, what's even your point? They are also much smaller than the first one he summoned on Green Bit or the ones he later summoned on Dressrosa. Madara's meteor was at best mountain sized and he destroyed it while it was at rest, so it's automatically inferior to destroying Fuji's similar mountain sized meteors but while in motion.

@supremekilla010:

1- Bro it's literally the same thing your acting like he can see a hour in the future with future sight stop it.

Will cover all your points but first...

Let me make it abundantly clear their precognition is not on the same level

• Literally sees sees an alternate reality with his Future Sight and prevents it from happening.

• Consistently shows to be able to react short notice during combat against Gear 4 Snakeman (who is faster then Madara btw)

• In comparison to people with the Sharingan who are consistency surprised and caught off guard by enemy offense... Even God Tiers by lower tiers

The same thing.....

Bruh, Sharingan is mere muscle reading, Future Sight is legit clairvoyance where you can even see conversations.

Sharingan got clowned on by mere teleportation jutsu like FTG, while even characters who don't specialize in CoO like Doffy can beat instant teleportation techniques like Law's. Replace Obito with Katakuri in that fight and Minato gets his head punched off.

Imagine comparing Sharingan to coO

Bruh Sharingan ain't even actual precognition it's just muscle movement prediction ..the most basic coO> Sharingan let alone actually future sight.

Bro that's still roughly the size of Rhode island which is the smallest state just drop the country level argument already it's wrong. Bruh Madara Susanoo blade is also piercing as well so what are you even bringing this up for? Diced or not Fujitura meteors aren't impressive at all and they aren't island level is clearly dubunked that theory plus we saw them hit the city and do minimal damage their as well. He's no where near island level drop it as multiple meteors failed to destroy dressrosa them getting cut is irrelevant because they would still have crazy moment cut or not.

Madara meteor was mountain size and that's what makes them so much more dangerous the bigger the meteor the more destructive it is and Madara Susanoo could easily destroy his meteor as it's a much inferior attack in his arsenal meanwhile Perfect Susanoo is his trump card so it would literally make 0 sense as to why he wouldn't be able to destroy a weaker attack in his arsenal with his trump card.

@wushu59 said:

@supremekilla010:

1- Bro it's literally the same thing your acting like he can see a hour in the future with future sight stop it.

Will cover all your points but first...

Let me make it abundantly clear their precognition is not on the same level

• Literally sees sees an alternate reality with his Future Sight and prevents it from happening.

• Consistently shows to be able to react short notice during combat against Gear 4 Snakeman (who is faster then Madara btw)

• In comparison to people with the Sharingan who are consistency surprised and caught off guard by enemy offense... Even God Tiers by lower tiers

The same thing.....

Luffy using Future sight was still caught off guard by Appo sound ability but im not going to harp on that any longer because that isn't going to help Katakuri much in a battle with Madara.

Doesn't matter if he was dodging Luffy on the fly. Madara Aoe of attack shits on Luffy and stop saying Luffy is so much faster than Madara when he isn't Katakuri can't dodge forever nor can he escape Madara's aoe and his destructive capabilities. So he stills gets vaporized once he's hit.

OK Future sight> Sharingan.

@supremekilla010: Rhode Island is much less than 100 km while Skypiea is over 200 km long. What even are you on about with Fuji's meteors at this point? Literally every single time they were summoned they got sliced before they could hit ground, either by Birdcage or by Law, Doffy or Fuji himself, which would effectively cancel out their KE. We have hard data for how powerful meteors of a certain size are and Fuji's bigger meteors would be at least island busting, far higher if you consider they moved FTE to Caesar. Doffy's strings >>>> Fuji's meteors and are piercing based and both these guys scale above Doffy. They no sell Susanoo blade.

Are you incapable of basic reading comprehension? Edo Madara's meteor = Fuji's biggest meteor in size. However Madara destroyed that meteor while static so no KE while Doffy's strings can neg the KE of mountain sized meteors while they are moving at MHS speeds. So Doffy's strings >>>>> Susanoo blade and these guys >> Doffy.

Rhode island is literally only 13 miles smaller than your skypea scaling lmao stop and now it's 200km bro just stop lmao.

1- Just because they got sliced doesn't mean they lose all their momentum i dont know why you keep repeating the same thing over and no Fujitora meteor was never the size of Madara meteor. Can you please stop the nonsense. We can literally see the perimeter of the meteor in this scan and it's much smaller than laws room-(x)- which isn't even bigger than the tree's in the background on the other hand Madara meteor literally was so big you couldn't even see the alliance and it's bigger than mountains-(x)- It literally dwafs the entire battlefield They are not comparable in size at all. Also im mentioning this because why wouldn't Madara be able to destroy his own meteor with his strongest tech when the meteor is a weaker tech than his Susanoo? Make it make sense.

Bruh thats not how scaling works lmao. Said char is stronger than Doflamingo therefore anything they do is above doflamingo and they can tank anything doflamingo dishes out. With that logic Current Zoro should no sell everything Whole cake island Luffy could throw at him since he couldn't hurt Kaido and Zoro Cut hybrid Kaido and made him bleed. lmao what type of abc logic is that? Marco durability is terrible dude literally has to use his healing from every single attack that hits him he gets vaporized same as Katakuri they haven't tanked anything on Madara Susanoo level.

His Susanoo blades are literally destruction incarnated.

@shirso: Lol you really just said that lmao. Guess what Old Whitebeard is stronger than Marco yet he was pierced by fodder blades and random bullets but by your logic he should no sell all of that LMAO.

@supremekilla010: The thread I linked gets Skypiea's size to at least 200 km which is way above Rhode Island. Yes, their momentum and KE would get negged. Coz when Doffy and Law are slicing them they are putting power into the slice which would cancel out the meteor's own KE. The Green Bit meteor wasn't his largest but even a chunk of that meteor is easily well above 100 meters seeing how much its crater dwarfs 3 m tall characters like Doffy. His biggest meteor was on Dressrosa which was mountain sized as it's comparable to Pica's golem. I don't see that meteor dwarfing any mountains in that scan, in fact I don't see any mountain unless you mean those black elevations way in the background. You can't compare them to the meteor obviously because they are much further from the camera so would appear smaller. Madara's meteor was smaller than the height of his PS which is at best mountain sized given how it compares to Kurama. Who knows if Madara can destroy his own meteor in motion or not, he clearly lacks the feats to do so even with his PS. The KE acquired by a meteor is due to earth's natural gravity pulling it down so you can't scale that to Madara.

Current Zoro would no sell WCI Luffy yes. He momentarily held back and withstood and much stronger combined attack from Yonko. Even a very injured Dressrosa arc Sanji withstood Doffy's strings. And Dressrosa arc G4 Boundman no sold Doffy's strongest attack. Both these guys have CoA >>> Dressrosa arc G4 Luffy so yeah they'd also no sell Doffy's strongest attack with CoA, which means they no sell Madara's PS. Old WB was suffering from terminal illness and was very weakened. But he still endured through those attacks.

@shirso: wasn’t luffy blitz by Kaido with future sight? It works just like sharingan pre cog which is irrelevant here anyways.

Madara stomps this these 2 could not even put down Kurama let alone clad with perfect susanoo. 1 bijuu Dama would put either on their death bed