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lex luthor vs. war machine
"What equipment does Lex have (battlesuit) ?"oh yeah i forgot to type WARSUIT my god. LADIES, ITS LEX LUTHOR'S WARSUIT VS. WAR MACHINE
War Machine wins . Even Batman could build better suits than Luthor Corp in his cave, Lex always had junk suits
"Lex might be able to win herewith what? Kryptonite? a red light bulb? That junk doesn't work on marvel heroes. War Machine is like Ironman on steroids. Best thing Lex can do is try paying WarMachine not to attack him and try to bribe Jim Rhodes into taking a dive.
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"King Saturn said:Well if Lex has a BattleSuit... he maybe able to overpower War Machine... that Lex's Battlesuit has taken damage from some of DC's hardest Flying Bricks..."Lex might be able to win herewith what? Kryptonite? a red light bulb? That junk doesn't work on marvel heroes. War Machine is like Ironman on steroids. Best thing Lex can do is try paying WarMachine not to attack him and try to bribe Jim Rhodes into taking a dive."
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Even with all Lex's attempts at cheating via red light bulbs or kryptonite, just about all Lex's battlesuit have still been ripped apart, rather easy many, many times. It's War Machine who has taken hits from the hardest hitters. Lex is a bit hyped because Superman elevates Lex's position by pulling his punches. War Machine and Stark fight people who never pull their punches. War Machine will own Lex worse than Ironman owned that guy with Taliban guy with a dish towel on his head
"Even with all Lex's attempts at cheating via red light bulbs or kryptonite, just about all Lex's battlesuit have still been ripped apart, rather easy many, many times. It's War Machine who has taken hits from the hardest hitters. Lex is a bit hyped because Superman elevates Lex's position by pulling his punches. War Machine and Stark fight people who never pull their punches. War Machine will own Lex worse than Ironman owned that guy with Taliban guy with a dish towel on his head"I dont think so... Lex has some decent feats himself with the Armor
"King Saturn said:Lex's battlesuit has a lot more to it than weapons and defense systems designed to stop Superman."Lex might be able to win herewith what? Kryptonite? a red light bulb? That junk doesn't work on marvel heroes. War Machine is like Ironman on steroids. Best thing Lex can do is try paying WarMachine not to attack him and try to bribe Jim Rhodes into taking a dive."
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Not only does it grant superhuman strength, it generates force fields and has shown the ability to fire energy blasts (definately lasers and potentially particle beams) that are not kryptonite based.
As AtPhantom has said, it was capable of downing Omacs.
" @bumnut said:Pretty heavy head-shields though..." Have to go War Machine! Even though Luthor's suit was specifically designed to tango with Kal, War Machine his suit aint! Rhodey for the victory! "I actually think Luthor's suit is probably more powerful, but I'd say his lack of a helmet..... "
@AtPhantom said:
" I doubt War machine could annihilate several Omacs with a single blast... "This is still valid. If he can sustain several punches from a pissed off Superman and annihilate several Omacs in a single blast, he's above War machine.
" @AtPhantom: name one person that can beat scarlet witch "Anyone with a bit superspeed.
Flash
Superman
Wonder Woman
Liberty Belle
Orion
lLightray
Supergirl
Impulse
Despero
Martian Manhunter
The list goes on.
Then we get to the people who outpower her:
Spectre
Darkseid
Ion
Parallax
Phantom Stranger
Anti-Monitor
And 5-dimentional Imp
The list also goes on.
"think of it this way marvel just owns dc in everything they do so there u go "
That is why Marvel was terrible this year and has the worst writers and artists working for them and DC is having one of the best years in Comic history
@betacarotene said:
" LADIES, ITS LEX LUTHOR'S WARSUIT VS. WAR MACHINE "
I think this is a bad idea for Lex, it actually might make his odds worse
If you said Lex plus KarateKid on a leash vs WarMachine I would say Lex
If you said Lex plus a clone of Bizarro vs WarMachine I would say Lex
but you gave him a damn suit, a machine with mechanical bits and electronics
Here's the issue, theer's too much A v B v C logic here
Lex beating Superman means nothing
Monocle beats Superman
Encantadora and Banshee beats Superman
Batman beats Superman
Does this mean that all these people automatically beat War Machine
Batman beating WarMachine!? Get Real!!
Also Lex usually cheats by having his suit emit artifical kryptonite or some other cheat code
So I don't think Lex's suits are that strong or that durable, especially since Lex often has ways to cripple Superman, and even a Superman radiated with green rocks usually just rips the Lex suit apart after 2-3 blows
That's probably a disservice to Luthor and Luthor's suit is much tougher than 2-3 blows, but the Ironman suits are not junk. Even the old suits could soak up blows from Living Laser am enraged Hulk and even take a nuke and they had all kinds of gizmos as weapons
Maybe War Machine and Luthor's suit don't have much difference in power
So I think a slugfest between these two is extremely close
The other arguement I would use is WarMachine is pretty updated in science, Ironman's suits were amped to crazy levels. He could control machines, control technology, he could inject people with virus, blink and hack into satellites, he could re-write codes in bombs, he could get nano bots to repair his own bones and tissue. Ironman before his armor was stolen and before he had his head fired was amped to crazy levels, he was becoming a full on technopath like Cyborg Superman
War Machine could just jam up Luthor's suit and cripple it
I suppose you can argue Luthor would be too smart for that tactic, he would not get his suit jammed up and would out smart Jim
You can say Luthor has the brains in science and he has the bigger intelligence feats
Jim Rhodes is just a military flyboy so you can argue Luthor would not allow himself to get his suit taken over
However if its Ironman
Ironman was amped to deus ex machina levels, he could just look at Luthor's suit and get it too attack itself
He owns suits, Extremis was the full on technopath
@AtPhantom
said:I don't know about the "super-speed" thing. There's a funny thing about the ScarletWitch," Anyone with a bit superspeed. "
when she's on her game she can be seriously amped so powerful that when her body and mind is in the gameI don't think anyone touches her
Wanda at full power she has this natural "probability aura" to protect her.
She doesn't need to switch it on, her mutant gene is always there so expect Flash to trip over his own feet before he can blitz her.
but I agree any Skyfather would own her
" @vuviper said:" @bumnut said:Pretty heavy head-shields though..." Have to go War Machine! Even though Luthor's suit was specifically designed to tango with Kal, War Machine his suit aint! Rhodey for the victory! "I actually think Luthor's suit is probably more powerful, but I'd say his lack of a helmet..... "
@AtPhantom said:" I doubt War machine could annihilate several Omacs with a single blast... "This is still valid. If he can sustain several punches from a pissed off Superman and annihilate several Omacs in a single blast, he's above War machine. "
True this. Why he's never incorporated a helmet, cause his heads shielded. Also why he can take punches from Superman without his head comming off, cause of the shield.
Luthor almost always built junk suits
Even with a Kryptonite power core and even with Luthor's suits blasting out red sun rads his suits have never really scored that much against Superman
That's because they are "junk suits"
These Luthor suits are specifically built to tangle with Superman but Lex can barely score any wins against him
Heck even the Bat can beat Luthor's suits around
Lex for all his money and all his cunning wasn't really that good when it came to manufacturing war hardware.
War Machine gets the best stuff, its quality war hardware from the labs of Tony Stark
"Rhodey," evolved into crazy Machine levels, the guy was going Extremis and becoming one with the machine. He may not have been as smart as Tony but the upgrades James Rhodes got gave him a lot of Tony's super Extremis abilities. I would be surprised if Rhodes didn't just blink and force Lex's technology and weapons to turn against him
that's the kind of crazy stuff they could do, they weren't just one-with-the-machine their powers had become deus ex machina
"Rhodey," suits were also designed to fighting many different opponents in multiple situations
"Luthors" suit is designed for one thing, fighting Superman and it usually doesn't do much of a job
You can be sure if "Rhodey" was preped with intelligence told Superman was weak against kryptonite and red sun rays, Rhodey would be doing far better in a fight than Lex did
Heck even the Bat does far better against Superman than Lex does
I give this to Rhodey his suit is a real war suit, designed for many people in real fights
While its true Rhodey ain't as smart or as cunning as Lex, Rhodey's suit and body are way more powerful...he's like a mix between Skynet and one of Ironman's great suits
He can always just deus ex machina this and make Lex's weapons turn on himself
@Xan
said:Why where's Superman?" Do you guys thing Warmachine can take a punch from Superman ? . "
Is he joining this battle to rescue Lex?
Lex typically kryptonite rays Supes and usually ends up fighting a depowered sissy in a cape and he still manages to screw up
So Xan you've dropped back to the fail A vs B vs C logic
So Xan because Batman can take a punch from Superman means Batman owns Thor?
Let's face facts Lex can't take a punch from Superman, Lex Luthor's battlesuit can take a shot from a weakass Superman badly dewpowered by kryptonite radiation
or his suit can take a punch from a Superman depowered by red sun rays.
Even if Lex faced a Superman at the peak of his power we also know boy scout Superman spends most of his life being nicely, not blood lusted etc and on any given he holds back....I would take any feats of shaking off blows from Superman with a pinch of salt
Rhodey however isn't a fragile human like Lex, he's a machine, he's lost a lot of his human side and he's half friggin Terminator, like Cyborg "Vic" Stone like some skynet creation and he comes with a bunch of super Extremis abilities that Ironman once had
which means fighting "Rhodey" with tech is gonna be a really dumb idea
I wouldn't be surprised if Rhodey with no suit could actually survive a shot from a bloodlusted Superman, and hack up Lex Corp by just using his mind. That's how far Rhodey has evolved into machine territory
To Lex's credit he is way smarter, way more cunning, and ruthless than Rhodey
but bringing a battle suit to a fight to a guy who can control machines just by thinking about it that's a bad, really bad idea
Lex can win this with prep, however taking a battlesuit to fight a guy who owns machines with his mind. That idea is only going to sabotage any chance Lex Luthor has at success
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