Hogwarts' finest students run a gauntlet

@kal-l: they were not alone. Harry and Luna were there, while snape fights mcgonagal, which he wasn't getting beat in fact Harry comments on the speed of both mcgonagal and snape as well as the strength of snape's shield charm. Only when flitwick gets involved and professor sprout, and leghorn appear does snape flee, this is while not trying to attack mcgonagal who was out to kill him. Everything she threw at him he countered successfully.

You are talking of 1 time when it's shown, I'm talking about how often it must have happened seeing as they attacked each other a lot. Not to mention Sirius's ruthlessness toward snape make you think he would likely get involved. However I can't prove who got involved or how often, just that the four of them did attack him. Just like you can't prove anything with the broom feats. You have nothing on that as it was off panel. James never out sped him, James was the one that initially attacked.

Was Kingsley the only auror to try and bring in dumbledore and protect the minister of magic? No. Kingsley got shipped off to the muggle prime minister and not the minister of magic who was the most important elected official in this, as when he fell the ministry fell.

Why would it tell you if the prime minister lived? He has nothing to do with the story and was only used to show how fudge had been sacked. So no they wouldn't tell you if the muggle prime minister had died, that's pure speculation and nothing more. Kingsley did fail at his duties. He had to abandon his post protecting the prime minister, he couldn't bring in dumbledore and got 1 shotted, he could save his minister even though he wasn't supposed to.

Now Kingsley being asked to be on the guard is a pointless feat, as tonks was on that along with lupin and others. You have no proof snape never watched Harry. Only that mundungus and Mrs figg actually watched him, and snape was doing other jobs for the order. Just like Kingsley could have. On more than one occasion however did snape keep Harry safe and actually saved his life.

Now Kingsley in the battle of the ministry is only commented on as fighting 2 death eaters, nothing is ever said of him defeating 2, or who they were. They are basically nameless grunts. Only after does it mention him fighting I think rookwood. Especially considering the most important thing for the death eaters was the prophecy which Harry had and was attacked for, not fighting the order.

@redxiii18881990:

Where was it said that Snape was able to fight these four wizards at once ? I'm waiting for quotes here like you should have done since the beginning of that debate.

What are your explanations to SWM who outright contradict Snape's statement that you like to preach, who shown a Snape easily disarmed by James Potter and completely humiliated by two of the four persons who according to you, used to fight the four of them on even ground with Snape alone...

No need to keep going with Kingsley, as far as I'm concerned, you conceded at the moment you were unable to provide any aurors who had better deeds, portrayal or hype than Kingsley, any aurors who had received more trust from their superiors.

Please quote my post to respond to my questions it will be easier.

Bloodlusted?

What stops Snape from just Avada Kedavra'ing the trio? Since he's the first one in the gauntlet to have used it.

@kal-l: snape never knew he would lose to mcgonagal, and nothing is ever made to say that. That is you taking what you think from it. Only with someone else's interference and the arrival of 3 other people for him to fight, one of whom is a dueling champ does he flee. Wait so snape using the armour is not handing the fight, but when dumbledore does such a thing against Voldemort in the battle of the ministry nothing is said he's not got it under control. Ok. Snape never got hurt at all and blocked everything, therefore he had it under control.

You are the one who is using the prime minister as a feat, not me. It's on you to prove that he's important to the story, the world, and to what's happening. And you can't because he's not. So Kingsley job was to protect a nobody.

You claimed snape never protected Harry. Which is a baseless claim, where is your proof that he never once watched harry? It doesn't exist so you can't say that for certain like you tried to do. So unfortunately it does work like that.

I already gave you the quote of snape saying he was attacked by 4 people regularly. Now if you take that as only 2 attacked then that's a bit contradictory with your fight on the brooms feat of Kingsley. What the hell is this SWM you keep going on about? And it doesn't contradict snape's statement regardless of what it is. And James already has the jump on snape when that happened as he said to Sirius about seeing him.

I have not conceded anything, you tried to defend Kingsley with shaky logic, two off panel scenes comments, and a scene which does even say what happened in the fight. You have next to no feats for Kingsley, and none of which are credible. Other than fighting Voldemort with mcgonagal and slughorn. You've used his job as an attempt at proof of his power when he done nothing but fail at his job. Catch dumbledore? One shotted. Catch Voldemort, done a bit better, then one shotted. Protect the minister of magic? Fired, other then killed. Protect the muggle prime minister? Had to flee and abandon his post.

I can't quote as I'm on a phone.

@kal-l: why would that one off memory that was shown be enough to end arguments. When if he only ever attacked him once he wouldn't have had such hate for him. It was then later showed that Harry's dad still attacked snape, just not when lily was around. You are trying to use a one off to disprove what would be more than one occasion. Which is frankly illogical.

The statement was never proven wrong. You've took one part and tried to relate it to many others and are basically banging your fists saying its proof. When it's nothing of the sort. You again have no proof snape exaggerated the truth, again a baseless claim. It would also go against lupin to endanger lives of students by sneaking out as a werewolf, yet he done that. You know nothing of lupin as a teenager and have made another baseless claim.

Again that you make the assumption that James didn't have his wand out, when the wording of it said otherwise, why would snape have to go to all the trouble of reaching inside his cloak and it being expressly said while (highlighting his speed again I might add) James just disarmed him. And yet James didn't have to? Rowling never wrote that James reached for his wand quicker and beat snape to the draw. She just had him disarm someone who he regularly curses and who curses him. Why wouldn't he have his wand out on someone he regularly curses.

You are still using that feat which is totally off panel and you have zero proof of how many he fought at a time, or who they even were or how powerful. It's essentially batman beating up a random thug, or maybe two or maybe 3. You literally have no way of proving who attacked him and in what numbers yet my credibility is called into question?? What's worse is you are trying use a fictional character as a witness!! I'll just ask hermione next time I see her about what happened. You have zero credibility by using that as an argument. In fact don't even bother replying to me if you are using that as a defence. All of Kingsleys feats either happen off panel or are against nameless nobodies, some of which are still off panel. Other than fighting rookwood, getting one shotted from dumbledore, and fighting Voldemort with the others which he get one shotted again anyway.

@redxiii18881990:

Something else ?

@combatt: Calling Dolohov fodder is by far the dumbest thing I have read so far in this thread.

I think they stop at Snape. Snape can't read the mind of Harry but he can read the mind of the other two and fuck them up. Then it's Harry vs Snape and Harry loses.

Either that or they stop at 7.

@cpt_nice

Thanks for the tag

@pateuvasiliu: I doubt Snape will be able to use Legimency effectively while he has to stop spells from 3 combatants, and Draco is good at occlumency and knows Snape can read his mind.

And you're welcome.

@redxiii18881990:

Well it took time for you to acknowledge obviousness, I guess it was hard to make another strawman with that one. Otherwise I'd like to point out two irrevocable facts before responding the end of your post.

1) Any statement from Snape about James is entirely biased as James is the man he hates the most and envies the most and not only because he used to stomp him but also because he had Lily's love, something Snape always wanted and never had. In that case you can't expect him to be impartial and refusing to acknowledge it, is being dishonest.

2) James and Sirius vs Snape was a total humiliation, not a low diff match but a pure humiliation. Even when Snape tried to use sectumsempra on James while he had his back turned he misaimed him and the Gryffindor reacted quite instantly humiliated him even further. There was no match here.

@kal-l: I told you to stop replying to me when you started your hermione witness bs. Now please stop.

@kal-l: also I never acknowledged anything. I've just been busy over the Christmas period, so much so that I've not had time to reply. But I wouldn't have replied anyway as I don't want to continue debating with someone who thinks a fictional character as a witness (when that character doesn't comment on anything related to it) is a credible argument. But I reiterate, do not reply to me. You will only be wasting your time as I've no intention of continuing to reply to you.

@redxiii18881990: I hadn't read yet that part but it doesn't matter, I agree with you it was becoming really embarassing at the moment you outright denied JK Rowling books for your own headcanon.

Now I'll give my opinion on that gauntlet.

Round 1: The three of them could solo.

Round 2: They win, Harry defeats Ron, Hermione and Draco can take Ginny and Luna.

Round 3: Team wins, Snape's legilimency can be easily neutralize in that fight. Draco can be the first one who opens the battle while Harry and Hermione attacks Snape from the sides. There is also the possibility that they all engaged the fight at the same time forcing him to focus on the curses and jinxes instead of the casters. In both cases what will make the difference here is the quickness of the opponents and I don't see Snape quick enough to defend himself in assault from Harry, Draco and Hermione.

Round 4: This is a hard battle, I assumed they are all at their peak, in that case Remus and Tonks are more experienced and more skilled than the three others. Remus is a better duellist individually than any of them and Tonks should be at least better than Draco and Hermione. Could Remus stall Harry and one of his allies while Tonks takes the last one ? I don't know. I give the benefits of the doubts to team Harry but it's completely arbitral. Actually both teams could win here.

Round 5: Team wins. Kingsley is good but not that good. IMO round 4 and 5 should be switched.

Round 6: They lose badly.

If they somehow scrape past Snape and Tonks they'll stop at 7, and Malfoy is a major weak link here. Honestly, even though we never got tons of feats for Ginny I could see her stopping the trio. The way she was talked about in the books made her seem like a powerhouse.

I need feats for Kingsly.

Honestly, I'd put Snape higher on the list. He seemed very powerful every time he shows up, and who knows how many spells he's created since his Half Blood Prince days. Plus he was straight up negating Harry's spells in Book 6. Not using protego, but stopping them from even working.

@kal-l: I never denied the books. What I denied, was a one off event that you used in an attempt to prove that snape was never in a fight with the four marauders. You have no proof of this and use a one off showing in an attempt to prove it.

Now in the scene you kept using all it shows is snape being humiliated and attacked by James and Sirius. And you argued that James never had his wand out. Show me where it says he doesn't have his wand out? Show me where it says he drew his wand? Or reached for it quicker than snape. You can't, as proof of that doesn't exist. Now jk wording that snape had to reach and draw his wand from his cloak yet doesn't mention James doing that. It doesn't mention he has it out either, but makes no indication that he had to draw it out. With such an emphasis on snape doing it, why would they not mention James doing it.

But it doesn't matter as this is my last post to you. I won't reply again.

@redxiii18881990: All of this began when you brought up Snape's statement (without any quote as always) to prove that Snape was able to fight several opponents at once as he supposedly used to do it (your words). Then you took it bad when I showed how ludicrous was your arguments for two reasons :

First one, the inacurracy of that statement as it wasn't always a "four against one" like Snape claimed. Something I showed here and here but as always you avoid to respond when you're embarassed and can't make another strawman (you're good at it).

Second one, Snape's statement doesn't say he was a match for them (actually we know the truth) but just that he was attacked. Nothing else so the question is what was your point with that argument ? What were you trying to say ?

@kal-l: what I said was snape was attacked by 4 people. You replied no. Look at his worst memory then go on to say he's not always attacked by the 4. Always being the key word. By your own admission he was attacked by 4 like he said, just not at that point. So why continue the point? You are literally debating against yourself on that one. I say he was attacked by 4. You go on to say he wasn't and use the memory as evidence, then say he wasn't ALWAYS attacked by the 4.

You claim he never had his wand out. You have no proof of that, it's what you think happened. Prove he drew his wand like snape and I'll admit he drew his wand and you are right.

Hermione not stowing her wand is later backed up the the wording and I quote "Ron made a sudden movement" "Harry reacted" "before either wand was clear of their owners pockets hermione had RAISED her own." You can't raise something if it's stowed away.

Now again it's not always 4 on 1. Not ALWAYS. How hard is that to grasp? I used my point to indicate snape has fought more than one opponent with that number being 4. You then go on to say no, it was only 2 then not always 4. Make up your mind.

And as for a match for them, did I ever claim such? Did I ever say he regularly beat 4 people? No I didn't. And no we don't know the truth. As we don't know how all the other instances went. As there must have a lot more as they relentlessly bullied him. It could easily be a low showing for snape or a high showing for James and Sirius. My point in bringing it up was, snape has fought more than one person regardless of if he won or not. He has fought more than 1 person, with him getting more powerful through age and practice and training from Voldemort he would be more than a match for the 3 of them. 2 who are susceptible to legilmency. It's exactly the same as you using the Kingsley feat from the battle of the ministry, it's only said that he is dueling 2 death eaters. Nothing more, yet you used that as some grand feat. It doesn't even say if he defeats them or not. Only that he's then seen fighting rookwood.

@kal-l: no your point originally was it didn't happen, you asked me to prove it around post 40ish that snape had any evidence of fighting more than one person anything comparable is your words. You then go on to say that because snape said he was attacked by 4 doesn't make it so. Which I never argued against. I never once said well snape said it so it must be true. All I replied was then the same can be said for Kingsley.

I refuted the idea that you know anything really about lupin as a child. Especially when he himself comments on how reckless he was running around as a werewolf. Or how he even didn't tell dumbledore about the passages into the castle. All of which contradict your vision of a great moral lupin.

Again still no proof he had to draw his wand. And when you think that they are both going to bully snape again, why would their wands be stowed away? See you say at which point did he draw his wand, well you have no proof it was stowed away and I have no proof it was drawn.

If hermione had done that, it would be mentioned that hermione reacted quicker and drew her wand, or that even she had stowed it away. None of which is said. Only that she had it out and then after the conversation with the portrait raised her wand. Which means lift or move to a higher position (that's the definition of raised).

And we can be sure that the four of them did attack for a few reasons. Obviously James doesn't need an explanation nor Sirius. Lupin however was just glad he had friends, this is mentioned at some point and likely would have joined in to keep them. And wormtail was a snivelling little welp who done what the strongest wanted, Sirius mentions this in the 3rd book. But again we have no more than snape's word on this, which is the only proof available.

You claim I seen what happened with 2. You are aware he tried to fight back, and casts sectumsempra on James. That's fighting. And again would depend on how the fight played out. If snape attacked first, which lupin commented that he had done then he'd have more fight in him that if he's jumped. That's just common sense.

And the reason I brought it up is already covered. You wanted proof of snape fighting more than one person, there it is. Nothing was mentioned about winning. You created that little scenario in your own little head.

And as for my biased speculation? I assume that's about them attacking snape more than the once that we have a memory of? Well lupin and Sirius mention it. So it's not speculation.

I highly doubt they'll clear with morals on.

@redxiii18881990 :

Firstly Snape comments doesn't make it true, it was outright shown that only James and Sirius were needed to completly humiliate him, that actually Sirius wasn't even needed for that as James easily outspeeds him. What are you trying to say with Lupin comments ? That's funny you were there talking about how off-screen panel were unreliable when it was not convenient to you and you are here bringing a quote of Snape which was proven wrong on-panel... By the way is this your feats supposedly proving Snape was able to fight several opponents at once ? Seriously ?

Come from that one

Statement which was proven to be not entirely right as in the SWM, they weren't four but two so what is your answer to that ? Also Snape didn't state he used to fight them but that he was attacked by them. Nothing here confirmed there was an even fight. I'm waiting for you answer to SWM, to the fact that James easily outspeed him before humiliating him.

Come from that one

I used SWM to prove that they weren't always four as Snape stated which means that he either lied or more exactly exaggerate the truth. Do you know how far did Snape went in his exaggeration of the truth in his bitter statement ? No, that's was my point. I can't make it clearer.

Why the same could be said for Kingsley ? Did you ever see him lie ? Did you prove that his statement was "wrong" as I did with Snape ? That's the actual problem, you give the same treatment to a comment from Snape about James proven to be inaccurate and a comment from Kingsley during a war-time without any reason. You never gave the reason why.

@kal-l: I never said there was always 4. I used the comment to highlight fighting more than one. In fact if you check my words I say this. You then confirmed my more than one by highlighting the worst memory and some how think you disproved my fighting more than one.

Now 2 out of 3 of Kingsleys feats are useless. The 7 potters one, it is never said he's fighting more than one. Only followed by 5, injured 2, maybe killed 1. That's it. So useless to show fighting more than one, this is where you tried to use hermione as a witness and I told you to stop replying to me. His other when he's on the run for breaking taboo, he was "surrounded by a bunch of death eaters bill said" "he fought his way out." So how many? Unknown. Who are they? Unknown. How many at a time? Unknown. So it's useless. Now his 3 feat that is kinda useful is dueling the 2 nameless death eaters in the battle of the ministry. We don't know who they are, or can gauge their power/ability. Nothing is ever said if he even won that fight, only that he was dueling them and then fighting rookwood.

@redxiii18881990 : Why can't you just respond to my question instead of deviate with things I didn't even mention ? Why did you say that Kingsley statement isn't reliable ?

Snape's comments don't make it true? Ok so neither does Kingsleys. By that Kingsley took on 0 death eaters and was lying about it.

Your statement taken here. By the way that statement confirmed that you believed it to be the complete truth (which is more logical or else it would be nothing but stupid) despite what you're trying to imply now

@kal-l : that was in response to you saying because snape said it doesn't make it true which I never said what snape said was what happened every time. Just like Kingsley saying it doesn't make it true. Or your interpretation of what Kingsley said doesn't make it true I should say. You interpreted it as Kingsley took on multiple death eaters when nothing of the sort is mentioned.

And nowhere does it make it look like I think that is the complete truth. That is you assuming, as in the post before that I comment on how you are talking about the memory and I'm talking of snape's comment. That alone is an acknowledgment of the attack by two, and not four.

@redxiii18881990:

Firstly Snape comments doesn't make it true, it was outright shown that only James and Sirius were needed to completly humiliate him, that actually Sirius wasn't even needed for that as James easily outspeeds him. What are you trying to say with Lupin comments ? That's funny you were there talking about how off-screen panel were unreliable when it was not convenient to you and you are here bringing a quote of Snape which was proven wrong on-panel... By the way is this your feats supposedly proving Snape was able to fight several opponents at once ? Seriously ?

My comments from here. You can see that I'm the first one indicating that Snape's statement is wrong as they weren't always four unlike what he stated showing that he lied or exaggerated the truth (your choice).

Snape's comments don't make it true? Ok so neither does Kingsleys. By that Kingsley took on 0 death eaters and was lying about it.

Your response. And you're trying to make me believe that you agreed with me with that answer in the fact that Snape didn't say the truth ?

Ok I think it's time for me to stop, I don't know how old you are but we arrived to a level of dishonesty too high for me.

@kal-l : yes snape's statement implied that. But I never said that it was the case and actually when you used the worst memory I confirmed it and went on to say that there is your more than one. It was you that kept push that was what it meant.

And as for what I said about Kingsley, it's clearly an appeal to extremes. And if you can't recognise that then it's on you. It was clearly said in satire, even though it does technically hold merit in that you can't prove he told the truth, and I can't prove he didn't.

I was never in doubt that he done that, I doubted that he done it in a 3v1 situation, which you can't prove.

And it's not BS that snape fought the 4 of them, and you can't prove he never fought the 4. The only thing we have is his comment on the 4. But if you take that as he never fought the 4 then you are just in denial. But we know that isn't the case as you admitted not always fought the four earlier. And it's not a matter of lying about being attacked by the 4. As we both think that happened. The difference is. You took it as a literal, I took it as a case of hyperbole.

and it's a clear assumption, if you are too stupid to see that then that's on you. But since you are throwing out insults like that, I'm not the one who tried to use a fictional character as a witness to back up my point. That was you. Which isn't the brightest. And I'm not a liar either.

Or snape forgot about that attack. Or it was the exception to the attacks. You pick. You have no proof it was either. It could easily be bad writing from JK or hyperbole.

No I used snape's comment to show more than 1 person that's it. I then comment on you bringing up the memory as proof also. Thats not hard to see.

There is no dishonesty here.

Bump

1. I wouldn't underestimate Umbridge but all together they can take her for sure.

2. I beileve they can make it quite well.

3. I don't see them getiing through Snape in a million years. (but I'll keep going anyway)

4. After a great fight I believe they can make it.

5. I'm not sure about that either, I don't tink so.

6. Easy win as I see it.

7. Bellatrix would stomp them alone. With Sirius they stomp even harder. She almost killed Luna, Hermione and Ginny all together, she blocked a spell from Dumbldore, she a master Occlumence and so many others. Sirius alone isn't someone that could take them though. He would give a good fight still. Well, the cousins stomp really hard with Bellatrix being the dominant.

Seriously though. Right after the 3 (Dumbldore, Voldemort, Grinwelland) Bellatrix, McGonagall and Snape are the best for sure. There is no way they can take any of them even all together.

They can beat 1, 2 but with Snape ther I don't think they'll continue..

Stops at 6

You think Snape could beat Lupin and Tonks by himself? And how is 6 an easy win for the trio (I assume you mean that), as Dolohov actually was actually beating 4 students at once in book 5, while restricted to non-verbal magic because of Hermione's curse. He also was having the upperhand on Sirius.

@cpt_nice: I can imagine Snape beating them after a great fight. The problem is that he has no extraordinary feats. As a student he created his own spells and he did hold himself whie also holding back against McGonagall in the Deathly Hallows so I'm basically assuming that someone in the level of Snape, McGonagall or Bellatrix can beat Lupin and Tonks together. Tonks was an auror and that is a good feat but she or Lupin are nothing special as I see it. Snape is pretty much the best along with Minerva and Bella after the 3 feared wizards. Although I forgot about Dolohov. I still think that Hermione, Harry and Draco are better than 4 other students. Hermione knows almost every spell, Harry has plenty of experience and Draco...well Draco is Draco basically :P Sirius is nothing special either. He is not bad, but not that great that he can beat this trio alone. That's just my opinion though. I may be wrong.

@anthp2000:

Alright. I do think that people often confuse magic ability with duelling feats. Bellatrix and Kingsley don't have any mentions of really extraordinary magical abilities (or not on par with Snape anyway, who is a potion master, occlumency master, spell inventing master) but their duelling feats are better. I don't think McGonagall or Snape could beat Tonks and Lupin, Bellatrix probably could, but an argument could be made.

@cpt_nice: Yeah. Well, it's really hard to tell. Feat wise Bellatrix is the best dueller than anyone below Dumbldore-level. She is also a master occlumence, let's not forget about that. I never actually managed to put Snape, Bellatrix and McGonaall in the right order. The thing is I can imagnie Snape and McGonagall pullin over what Bella did. I can imagine them being able to defeat Ginny, Hermione and Luna at the same time. i can imagine them blocking a spell from Dumbldore (well, I believe McGonagall could at least) the way Bella did. i can also imagine them beaing abble to best 3 named death eaters like Bellatrix did and were described to be "no match for her". Feat wise Bella wins in duel but I can see them doing what she did. Although Bellatrix is known to be trained personally by Voldemort on Dark Arts as she said to Harry before. I'm starting to lean on Bellatrix as slightly a better dueller but as for magical abilities and knowledge, Snape and McGonagall take it. They are professors in two really difficult lessons after all. But anyway, yeah, it's really hard. I can still see all 3 of them beating Lupin and Tonks. Kingsley is a little bit lower than Bellatrix level. I recall her in the Ministry of Magic winning against him if I'm not mistaken. Lupin too. And well, she did kill Tonks.

@anthp2000:

Feat wise Bellatrix is the best dueller than anyone below Dumbldore-level.

Agreed.

I can imagine them being able to defeat Ginny, Hermione and Luna at the same time.

Maaaybe.

i can imagine them blocking a spell from Dumbldore (well, I believe McGonagall could at least) the way Bella did.

Also a maybe. A thing to remember here is though, that Snape got blitzed both by Dumbledore (when he went to ask for his protection for the Potters) and Voldemort (right before his death). And McGonagall is comparable to him in speed at least.

i can also imagine them beaing abble to best 3 named death eaters like Bellatrix did and were described to be "no match for her".

They were not "the best named death eaters". They were snatchers, one of them Fenrir, and iirc there were 4 of 5.

I'm starting to lean on Bellatrix as slightly a better dueller but as for magical abilities and knowledge, Snape and McGonagall take it. They are professors in two really difficult lessons after all.

They both have one advantage over Bellatrix. Snape has a legilimency combat feat (against Harry, but that was arguably when he was very emotional) and McGonagall can use her transmutate abilities in an area with lots of objects to give her an edge.

Kingsley is a little bit lower than Bellatrix level. I recall her in the Ministry of Magic winning against him if I'm not mistaken. Lupin too.

Yup,Bellatrix beat him AFTER beating Sirius, which I think is a great feat. Lupin was off doing something else though.

Well yeah they weren't the best named. The best named have to Bellatrix, the malfoys (although neither Lucius nor Narcissa have shown any great duelling feat cause Lucius was getting launched by spells all the time and Narcissa was kept in the dark) and Dolohov. Bella has master occlumency skills though (she also taught Draco) to counter the legimency skills of Snape. As for McGonagall, transfiguration seems way too OP :P That's another reason she has to be great at duelling.

is this from the battle of hogwarts?

1. Umbridge has never shown any great magical ability. Likely any on the team could beat her one on one. 3 vs. 1 is an utter stomp.

2. Again any member on team one is better then any member on team 2. They should win this 10/10 even if Ron, Ginny, or Luna gets lucky and takes out one of Harry, Hermione or Draco.

3. No way is Snape beating the team. Keep in mind that the team of Draco, Hermione, and Harry are better then Bellatrix's duel of Luna, Ginny, and Hermione and even then it was a stalemate.

4. This is the 1st round that the team would probably lose. Either Remus or Tonks (whoever is dueling 2 at once) can hold off long enough for the other to defeat the single opponent. I'd say that the team can maybe win 2-3 times out of ten.

5. 4 and 5 need to be switched. Like Snape no way is Kingsley defeating all 3. Team wins.

6. Yaxley and Dolohov should win pretty much every time since they are better then the Remus and Tonks them.

7. Bellatrix and Sirius stomp hard here no explanation is needed.

@combatt:

Draco Malfoy... is not one of Hogwarts finest... He is Fodder. Read the books, he's is... FODDER.

Every student is technically fodder. But as far as students go, he is definitely one of the best.

-Potter only beat Voldermort because of Destiny(Plot)... but FACT is... he is incredibly, incredibly lucky. His main skill is his agility, I am not taking that away from him.

No shit, Sherlock. He has plot armor that would put Nathan Drake to shame. But he is the main character, it is not uncommon. He is still a good duelist, as far as students go.

-Hermione is not a skilled duelist... better than malfoy, but not as skilled as the others.

Name a student who has better dueling feats than her. Harry is the only one who has arguably better feats than her, but I do not agree with that.

Ron is better than Hermione in Wizard Duel

Not even close. If you read through this thread you will see plenty of reasons why Ron is a lot worse than Hermione.

EOS Ginny was pretty much equal or better than Harry,

Based on what?

These 2 are fodder death eaters.

Now I know you don;t have a clue when it comes to Harry Potter. Dolohov has amazing feats that put him arguably in Kingsley's league and he is the best death eater behind Bellatrix. if you don't believe me, just read the post I made on him in this respect thread

I'm not so sure they can clear this... probably

If you think they'd lose to Snape but probably win against Bellatrix and Black, you definitely need to read that thread. Bellatrix is the best duelist in the series outside of the big three.

cpt_nice I fully agree clearly @combatt has no idea what he's talking about and most of his answers make no sense.

@wardedman7050: I just realised his comment is really old, I saw it at the bottom of page 1 and thought it was a new comment.

But yeah, my point still sticks. He probably only saw the movies or did not read the books very well.

Feel free to take a look at my respect thread and give your opinion or suggest something to add.

Could stop at 4. Stops at 6 for sure.

"Hogwarts finest students" - Malfoy is finest student? ok. I would tell that he's for sure some kind of experienced thanks to 7 years at hogwarts but there's more better students than him.

And that first comment tho XD

I could see them clearing

Anyway they stops at 4. Malfoy is fodder, Hermiona is average duelist (but still decent if we are looking at her age) and Harry is at top of mid tier.