Goku vs Super....

@nickzambuto: piccolo still trains (probably To either maintain or increase at a more casual rate than he usually did)

@dbzk1999: They're not equal in the sense that they have the exact same PL (not 1 more or less,the same),they're equal combat related.That's why 16 said that Piccolo's power is enough to rival both and didn't say "is enough to stomp 18 and rival 17" or something like that

I thought DBZ threads weren't allowed even if it's one DBZ character vs another. Or am I missing something?

@parallax_hal_jordan: again where did I say it was by a HUGE margin?

When I say 17 is stronger I mean if 18 is 100, then 17 is 105 a 1.05x gap is a rivaling gap and enough for weighted kamicolo to be in between (probably about 103) and taking off the weights makes him equal to 17

I'm not saying that 17 stomps her or that the gap is noticeable just a fun fact

Goku loses, why...cuz reasons.

Piccolo

@reaverlation: Goku gets STOMPED? Care to back that statement up?

@logy5000: You're missing something. Go reread the rules.

@dbzk1999: I wasn't "accusing" you of anything,you stating how i think it's lol

It's not a joke

@gymgoer205: simple

17 > 18 who stomped vegeta who is >= ssj goku at this point

Kamicolo = 17

@dbzk1999: Show me canon material that says 17 > 18.

@gymgoer205: go back to the first page and you'll see it

http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8357801/1/

Scroll down and you'll see the scan I'm talking about

He says that he suppressed 18 because 17 was too powerful to control

Chapter: 367 (DBZ 173), title page

Text box: “Too much emphasis was placed on his power, resulting in him being a failure who doesn't listen to orders.”

Chapter: 367 (DBZ 173), title page

Text box: “Her power is more suppressed than No.17's, but in the end she too is a failure who doesn't listen to orders.”

Love showing facts

Piccolo wins.(only time he's gonna win against goku)

I'm going to guess you saw how that "interview" can't be found and how those points were debunked?

But in case you didn't see them

- During the Piccolo vs 17 fight, 18 states being stronger than 17 (Her exact words: "Come on, finish him off! If you can't do it then maybe you sould let someone who can! Like me!"). And the most important part, 17 DOESN'T contradict this statement, he simply declines her offer.

18 underestimated Piccolo's power , and 18 saying that he could defeat Piccolo doesn't mean 18>17!!

- In the future timeline flashbacks, it can be seen how Future 18 is perfectly able to handle Future Gohan in a one on one fight. However, we can see how Future 17 struggles against the same opponent in the amusement park fight, 18 inflicted damage that 17 ever did.

Thats filler. And you if you go by fillers , they had the same powerlevel in Future timeline.

- The fact that 17 is the "leader" does NOT mean he is stronger. Have a look at Cooler's soldiers; Salza's power level is 170,000 and Doore's is 185,000. Yet, Salza is the leader of the group.

17 says that he was the strongest android until he saw 16 fighting against Cell , so that makes him stronger than 18 duh he is the brother of her.

Sauza>Doore. How can you put Doore above Sauza? Did you ever saw the movie?Wasn't Doore the one who got stomped by Piccolo? Being the leader makes you the strongest , take a look at Ginyu. or is Jeice stronger than Ginyu too?

- The "the lower number - more power" logic is 100% incorrect. It is contradicted by Android 20 being stronger than Android 19. Android 19 was only stronger than 20 after absorbing Goku's and Vegeta's energy.

20>19. 19 stronger than 20 after absorbing Goku and vegeta's energy? Nope he can't surpass 20 so fast , and oh wait Vegeta? 19 never absorbed his energy son. 20 absorbed Vegeta's blast.

Accorging to the facts I've just stated I think I proved how 18 is stronger than 17. The actual android power level scale is 16 > 18 > 17 > 20 > 19.

16>17>18>20>19.

@gymgoer205: you it says you replied to me

@gymgoer205: it literally says you said all of those points in my notifications

Gymgoer205 mentioned you in a comment.

@dbzk1999: - Even though the manga mentions that 17 was supposed to be slightly stronger, Toriyama made the following statement during an interview when he was asked who was the strongest between 17 and 18: "Although 17's power was meant to be slightly above 18's, a flaw in his programming limited his power, making him unable to use his full potential. This flaw was corrected on 18, making her the strongest of both cyborgs."

- During the Piccolo vs 17 fight, 18 states being stronger than 17 (Her exact words: "Come on, finish him off! If you can't do it then maybe you sould let someone who can! Like me!"). And the most important part, 17 DOESN'T contradict this statement, he simply declines her offer.

- In the future timeline flashbacks, it can be seen how Future 18 is perfectly able to handle Future Gohan in a one on one fight. However, we can see how Future 17 struggles against the same opponent in the amusement park fight, 18 inflicted damage than 17 ever did.

"False" statements about Android 17 being above 18:

- Dragon Ball GT: DBGT is completely invalid and non canon, DBZ events continue with the Dragon Ball Online manga (where Toriyama was deelply involved) and not with GT.

- The fact that 17 is the "leader" does NOT mean he is stronger. Have a look at Cooler's soldiers; Salza's power level is 170,000 and Doore's is 185,000. Yet, Salza is the leader of the group.

- The "the lower number - more power" logic is 100% incorrect. It is contradicted by Android 20 being stronger than Android 19. Android 19 was only stronger than 20 after absorbing Goku's and Vegeta's energy.

Accorging to the facts I've just stated I think I proved how 18 is stronger than 17. The actual android power level scale is 16 > 18 > 17 > 20 > 19

I think Im gonna go with Piccolo on this one.

@dbzk1999: you've tried this argument before and it didn't work

For anyone that wants to see http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8177616/2/

@comicvinepoozer1: I hope you realize I don't have an account on there

Anyways the manga itself states

17>18

Can't get anymore clearer than that

@dbzk1999: my mistake replied to the wrong person

@dbzk1999: oh and FYI I agree 17 > 18