@RedLanternSuperman said:
Inb4 this turns into a "omg stompzzz"
Seriously wait for people who actually know Goku to debate. Impossibru, NickZ, and Mortein are all away so this thread is going to fill up quickly with "LOL STOMP" fever.
I'm actually one of the more knowledgable people from DBZ, on this site, but until now that knowledge never payed off; now that we have these battles though...
@beautifulrevery said:
Is Silver Surfer able to siphon off chi like he can with most other forms of energy? If so then he takes it. Also he can probably transmute Goku into something(candy for example) however Goku does have the power to put Surfer down with Chi Blasts and the such(kamehamehax10 and whatnot). I give it 6/10 in Surfer's favor due to versatility. I'll check back in a little bit for other opinions and to expand upon my argument.
Goku actually has so much energy he fed Yakon energy from his super saiyan form until Yakon literally exploded from so much energy. Silver Surfer might have a limit to this ability, and if he does, Goku could very well be the one to reach said limit.
@TheMightyAvenger said:
Well I'm going with Silver Surfer, physically stronger, is faster and his energy manipulation should also be better ( maybe not in pure power but definetly in versatility.
Physically stronger?
This is something a lot of people get tripped up on, is "just how tough/strong is Goku, physically?".
Deflecting energy attacks actually doesn't help his case, we have to look solely at his physical feats.
In regards to that, before he became Super Saiyan, which multiplies his power output (including strength, at least to some degree,) by 50 times, he tanked being crushed by a mountain that was telekinetically thrown by Frieza. I don't have scans because I don't own the manga, I watched the anime, but most of the anime is directly (and I mean directly) derived from the manga, with the sole exception of certain filler arcs such as the tournament in Otherworld. Basically, this is a canon instance.
Goku's power increases dramatically throughout the series as well, even with the Super Saiyan transformation already having boosted his initial power from that feat by 50x. It's very possible his power level is in the billions, but we don't really know.
Another physical feat is that he physically bested, over and over, Frieza, a planet-busting character, who also tanked:
- Being cut in half
- Having a planet explode in his face.
Frieza is then cut in half by a sword from another Super Saiyan (named Trunks), effortlessly. Trunks tries the same techniques on Goku, and the result is that Goku stops every single strike effortlessly... With one finger. The mighty finger of Goku, by that point, had become so vastly powerful, it was physically more durable, and stronger than, the mighty planet-busting/planet-tanking Frieza.
And that's not even halfway through the series, and that's also using an inefficient form of the first of three super saiyan forms.
Goku is ridiculously durable and strong.
Another feat detailing strength rather than durability, is that Goku actually destroys mountains, or even entire mountain ranges, with his punches, quite regularly. It's the bread and butter of DBZ in fact, mountains get crushed in every battle, by blasts, impacts, and especially, punches that miss their target. The only reason that he doesn't destroy much larger objects, most likely, is because they tried to use a tiny amount of physics in the show, and decided that a single punch, no matter how powerful, would destroy a planet; it'd just go through the ground and you'd get stuck there. Goku beating up Frieza, and even Cell (who had the powers and strengths of Frieza, Goku, Vegeta, and others) or the limitless Majin Buu (to a near stalemate in both cases) are more accurate descriptions of just what kind of physical firepower he brings in.
The logic follows like this:
- Person tanks a planet blowing up in their face.
- Person tanks planet-destroying attacks that are thrown in their face.
- Person gets destroyed by a guy who punches them.
The implication here isn't that Goku can destroy a planet with his punches, it's that his punches are more powerful than planet destroying explosions. This sort of logic can be applied throughout DBZ, to figure out roughly who is more powerful than whom.
As far as energy blasts, you are probably right, unless Silver Surfer can tank energy blasts that are capable of destroying planets such as Earth or Namek several times over.
HOWEVER...
If Silver Surfer can manipulate reality (e.g. stop time, and then do something like spread Goku's molecules out across the universe, effectively erasing him from existence), I don't believe Goku would have a defense against that. Vegito is shown to have defenses and counters to those techniques, to an extent, but I don't believe Goku is ever shown to have those abilities on his own.
I'd say that, if Silver Surfer is a high level reality manipulator, and can react at light speeds, he should be able to win. Anything less, Goku can probably take it due to his speed and instant transmission, and incredible firepower. It's similar to how Thor has hurt Galactus with his hammer; power so large, it defies reality.
@SexualLobster said:
Silver Surfer 8/10
that's being generous to Goku.
Probably. I think Silver Surfer is a high level reality manipulator and has insane reaction/movement speeds, so he'd probably take this. If he doesn't have those abilities though, he could lose, because Goku has the pure firepower and durability of a god.
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