Gladiator VERSUS The Maestro(TO THE DEATH)

Gladiator lost to Cannonball because he lost his confidence after striking with one of his most powerful strikes and Cannonball absorbing the kinetic energy. His lost was solely due to losing his confidence and not knowing about Cannonballs abilities. Don't get me wrong, it was an awesome scene and really made me love Cannonball, but make sure you portray it properly.

Maestro by default as he's immortal.

I portrayed it properly and he was struggling with Canonball even before all of that.

Rulk wasn't injured what are you talking about? Rulk has a heart problem with his transformation which prevents him from transforming for too long, he wasnt injured and the only ones that actually were, were Canonball and Quicksilver but it was literally nothing serious they were just roughed up in their previous fights, not that it made a difference since Hulk basically one-shot and shrugged almost all of them. And yes everyone finds what Immortal Hulk did to be impressive, the dude literally walked through everything and everyone with no sign of injury or even much of a struggle, why the need to be salty about it? If you saw Gladiator portrayed like that walking through everyone from mid-tiers to high-tiers with ease you'd be frothing at the mouth.

Thing, Colossus, She Hulk would all be fine from such a fall. Even if we take it at face value that just means the sword is OP, not Heimdall lol.

Hulk with massively more apperances then Gladiator still somehow has less low showings then him, especially in the last decade and a half, he has been surprisingly consistent, with less than a handful of bad showings. Gladiator on the other hand has very little appearances and every other is either a low showing or an average one which leads to me not being overall impressed with the character.

In 5 issues of the same comic and same story, yes cause basically Gladiator is mostly finished off in 1 issue lol. The point still stands it's far worse to be portrayed in several different comics badly than in 1 comic for several issues.

@illuminated:

Why are you even tagging me?

@king_stranglehold_da_first: Are you saying i am lowballing Gladiator? If so tell me what exactly am i lowballing about him? Cause i am getting tired of this Gladiator apologism, when i had a debate with you about Sentry even you admitted that Gladiator has way more low showings then Sentry, so are you going back on that now or what exactly?

Not sure about Maestro but regular Hulk slaps around Gladiator no problem.

@empressofdread: The one fight they had wasn't depicted that way.

@lordofbrooklyn: True but Superman and Wonder Woman had many fights, he even had a fight with Supergirl and was beaten badly does not mean he is won't beat them both due to superior feats overall and a constant depiction of being written as the superior out of two.

Gladiator fairly easily.

@empressofdread: Your point in respect to Superman is very much appropriate. In relation to Gladiator and the various Hulk incarnations I don't view the gap in abilities/powers to be as pronounced in comparison.

@lordofbrooklyn:

Your point in respect to Superman is very much appropriate.

Ikr.

In relation to Gladiator and the various Hulk incarnations I don't view the gap in abilities/powers to be as pronounced in comparison.

I do though, I mean I don't consider Gladiator to be capable of beating Savage Hulk. The fight they had Hulk owned mostly owned him. Kallark as it was shown does not have a speed advantage either he failed to properly blitz him.

@empressofdread:

, he even had a fight with Supergirl and was beaten badly

Which instance are you referring to?

@empressofdread: When was the last time you read the fight between Hulk and Gladiator?

From what I remember Hulk was badly beaten and on the verge of death and rescued by a plot device.

@all-father:

Its the fight on Apokolips. It has context but that is exactly the point I was trying to make.

In the second round Clark finally defeats her using Kryptonite. Prior to this Clark even admitted she was going to kill him Kara is bloodlusted here and Superman is in character though with his morals blocking him.

@lordofbrooklyn:

When was the last time you read the fight between Hulk and Gladiator?

When last time I was on WWH vs Gladiator thread then I read that fight.

From what I remember Hulk was badly beaten and on the verge of death and rescued by a plot device.

Thats not what happened, far from it. Hulk kod gladiator and started bashing him like crazy.

@empressofdread: I'll go re-read it.

@lordofbrooklyn: sure. It is from "The Incredible Hulk Annual 1997" let me know if you find a surprising revelation.

hulk was also weakened

@battle123axe:

hulk was also weakened

Really, What happened ?

he was the nexus of energy for two different universe, which was slowly killing him

@battle123axe:

he was the nexus of energy for two different universe, which was slowly killing him

I do not recall this, though I am not an avid "Hulk reader". Whats the context behind this was he stated to be weakened on panel ?

several times in the exact same time period by the writer who wrote that fight, he was getting injured by missiles and the like

@empressofdread: hey do you know, theonewhoknows??

@the_living_tribunal_24: He is banned user. Not really interested in talking about all that.

@empressofdread: when did he get banned and why? I used to debate him all the time about silver surfer vs supes,pretty sure you 2 would get along nicely.

@the_living_tribunal_24:

? I used to debate him all the time about silver surfer vs supes,

LOL.

pretty sure you 2 would get along nicely.

LOL.

@empressofdread: what?? You don't think you would. Sure that condescending attitude of his whenever he would anyone on a debate(obvs not me) isn't something most people enjoy, but 2 superman fans(dare I say fanboys??) would surely get along well.

@the_living_tribunal_24: and thats exactly why I think you would get perfectly along with him. Both of you are blind ignorant fanboys who wank their character to the death and when asked to produce scans and feats run away. Just like the last time you ran away. Go away with you nonsensical accusations.

Dude, you would be lucky I am not bringing up the hideous PM's you had sent me. I gave you a Pass and did not contact a mod just stop trolling before its too late and you get banned for some reason just like you got last time.

This conversation is gold

@_kingoflatveria: i don't even know what I did. I just pointed out that she reminded me of theonewhoknows.

That is like the greatest insult you can give someone on the Vine lol

@_kingoflatveria: hey piss off he was condescending in a funny way??

This

@empressofdread said:

@all-father:

Its the fight on Apokolips. It has context but that is exactly the point I was trying to make.

In the second round Clark finally defeats her using Kryptonite. Prior to this Clark even admitted she was going to kill him Kara is bloodlusted here and Superman is in character though with his morals blocking him.

The Supergirl from Krypton is one of my favorites of all time

@empressofdread: how could I possibly be trolling?? Lol what hideous messages?

@the_living_tribunal_24:

? Lol what hideous messages?

The one where you were using Banned words and to a mod I might add. If you want I can share them to a mod and see what happens, totally your choice dude let me know.

how could I possibly be trolling?

You are talking off-topic and comparing me to other users without any sound theory. You are deliberately trying to vex me by making nonsensical comparisons which have 0% relation to this thread. While when I asked you to produce scans for Silver Surfer manipulating sub-atomic particles you failed to do so on the relevant thread and somehow you think I am siding with a user who thinks Superman can beat Silver Surfer without any proof??

This is the definition of a troll btw and you just happen to exactly fit this one.

@empressofdread: not hideous, I never called him anything, I thought of doing so but I never did.

@empressofdread: nah, surfer has stated that he can Control subatomic particles. I think it was in "in thy name."

Which doesn't even matter because it puts strong nuclear force puts has to do with forces between particles.

Oh but you had no business PMing me that. Like I said if you think that is totally fair and 100% legit thing to do let me know I can share them with a mod and we will find out if you have the moral high ground or not.

You are still not posting any feats last time I checked you posted feats for gravity manip which I already countered on that thread. You did not show a scan of him manipulating sub-atomic matters like quarks, electrons etc. I do not think further conversation with you is necessary at all. I just proved that you were legitimately trolling now have some self-regard and move on to other relevant topics its pretty clear that you are not here to debate Maestro vs Gladiator.

@empressofdread: what????, there's some big misunderstandings occurring rn.

I didn't compare you to theonewhoknows in a bad way. What literally happened was you were quick to post scans of supergirl it reminded me of theonewhoknows because he used to to the exact same thing, nothing less nothing more.

I swear I did not attempt to vex you in anyway.

@empressofdread: OK fair enough, but I did have to pm you because we were in the middle of the debate and I was about to get banned,so I told you, granted it wasn't particularly necessary to send you that 2nd part of the message.

@empressofdread: tbh that's not entirely true since I did state gladiator ripped a black hole apart and he would do the same for the hulk.

I feel like gladiator wins, but the only thing i've read with him in it was thanos imperative. In that whole comic though all he did was take out the little baby multi-angled ones who are featless.